Lol Nope. Itachi>nagato in 1vs1 fight. However both are pretty strong.
Nagato is a failure as sensor u like to depict him so much.
He failed to sense Bee and Naruto. He failed to sense bunch of naruto clones that were turned into rocks.
Lol Nope. Itachi>nagato in 1vs1 fight. However both are pretty strong.
Nagato is a failure as sensor u like to depict him so much.
He failed to sense Bee and Naruto. He failed to sense bunch of naruto clones that were turned into rocks.
Every jutsu(dojutsu in this case) has a weakness. There is a 5-10 sec lag time with it from what I gathered in the Pein Arc. It may have godly powers compared to every other dojutsu or even jutsu for that matter, but it doesn't grant the user total invincibility. I'm sure in part one when we first saw Byakugan, we all thought that Neji was invincible. I'm sure when we saw Naruto use the 9 tails chakra for the first time, we thought he was invincible and pretty much was if I recall.
None of these things have the label of "god", yet they all seemed pretty powerful and godlike back in the day. So if your argument about Rin'negan is because it's said to be a gods eye, there for must grant invincibility, then you're not right at all.
It grants the power of a god. True.
It grants invincibility. False (Technically, yes, but it's a flawed invincibility so in my opinion it doesn't count)
It must mean they are going to be the heir of the So6P. False.
Full invincibility would be Naruto with Rin'negan and his 9 tails cloak that he is currently sporting. Then we can all gawk and say that there is an invincible person other than So6P.
Every jutsu(dojutsu in this case) has a weakness. There is a 5-10 sec lag time with it from what I gathered in the Pein Arc. It may have godly powers compared to every other dojutsu or even jutsu for that matter, but it doesn't grant the user total invincibility. I'm sure in part one when we first saw Byakugan, we all thought that Neji was invincible. I'm sure when we saw Naruto use the 9 tails chakra for the first time, we thought he was invincible and pretty much was if I recall.
None of these things have the label of "god", yet they all seemed pretty powerful and godlike back in the day. So if your argument about Rin'negan is because it's said to be a gods eye, there for must grant invincibility, then you're not right at all.
It grants the power of a god. True.
It grants invincibility. False (Technically, yes, but it's a flawed invincibility so in my opinion it doesn't count)
It must mean they are going to be the heir of the So6P. False.
Full invincibility would be Naruto with Rin'negan and his 9 tails cloak that he is currently sporting. Then we can all gawk and say that there is an invincible person other than So6P.
The 5 seconds delay only applies to Tendou Pains ability, Nagato can use another techniques from his other Paths or use elemental release attacks while waiting for it to recharge.
Don't forget Nagato > 6 Paths of Pain as explained in the OP, and he only needed to use them because he was crippled by Hanzo. Obito, Madara, and Healthy Nagato will only lose to PNJ if they are able to utilize the full potential of the Rinnegan.
When the right counter is used for the right attack, Rinnegan users will always be victorious in any scenario, hence they are "virtually" invincible.
Maybe not Sage of 6 Paths level since we can't measure his strength yet, but regular shinobi in the Narutoverse that does not possess the rinnegan will always lose to someone that has it almost always.
They're not invincible. But they sure ain't far off from being so. So far, the biggest weakness with the Rinnegan is recharge periods.
These recharge periods, such as with Shinra Tensei and the 5 seconds it takes to recharge are the Rinnegan's only weakness.
Personally, I believe the only Shinobi who could take advantage of that are Naruto, Minato, 3rd Raikage and E. Maybe Gai and Lee, and possibly that Hirako guy from the 3rd shippuden movie. They're the only ones who have shown the speed needed to take advantage of a five second gap.
Other than that, yeah the Rinnegan is pretty much a god mode hax.
They're not invincible. But they sure ain't far off from being so. So far, the biggest weakness with the Rinnegan is recharge periods.
These recharge periods, such as with Shinra Tensei and the 5 seconds it takes to recharge are the Rinnegan's only weakness.
Personally, I believe the only Shinobi who could take advantage of that are Naruto, Minato, 3rd Raikage and E. Maybe Gai and Lee, and possibly that Hirako guy from the 3rd shippuden movie. They're the only ones who have shown the speed needed to take advantage of a five second gap.
Other than that, yeah the Rinnegan is pretty much a god mode hax.
Yes !! Finally I have been waiting for thread like that for long time almost feeling like enternity :devil:
I agree completly with everything you said. You used solid proofs to back up your thoughts, which well put together creates great and interesting thread =D
I would like to add that we can find even more proofs supporting OP theory
First man we saw in manga was Pein(six paths of Pein), who couldn't show full power of Rinnengan because of being incapable of using Five basic elemental Ninjutsu. Six paths of Pein were unable to use Rinnengan techniques simultaneously but only one ability for one body.
Moreover Six paths of Pein couldn't show full power/capability of each Path of Rinnengan because Nagato was forced to send his chakra for great distance to control death bodies(six paths of Pein) via rods. Everyone should understand that sending chakra on distance can cause loss of some amount of chakra, which cause six paths of Pein (dead bodies controlled by Nagato) unable to use it's full potential
That why Nagato was only able to use Chibaku Tensei via Deva Path only when Deva Path come close enough, which further indicates that Deva Path wasn't able to use it's full power before due to too great distance. It is most likely that Nagato couldn't use some abilities/full capabilities of Rinnengan paths via Six paths of Pein(dead bodies) due to too great distance. It is really accurate to assume that if Nagato brough Six paths of Pein closer to him, he could use more abilities or use known abilities to full extent...
Six Paths of Pein:
Pros:
- Shared vision of six bodies
- you have to take down six bodies instead of one
Cons:
- One ability for one body only
- loss chakra sent on great distance to controll death bodies via rods
- disability to use Five basic elemental Ninjutsu
- incapability of using Rinnegan abilties simultaneously
- incapability of using Ying Yang release
Second man was Edo Nagato(yes we shouldn't consider him, but we can take him as Nagato body alone with lack of mobility )
Edo Nagato proved that using one body instead of six death bodies controlled via rods is much better and shows greater and stronger use of Rinnengan abilities, which was noticed and stated by Naruto himself.
Edo Nagato still didn't use any five basic elemental Ninjutsu against Naruto and Killer Bee, moreover he has mobility problems.
Pros:
- all abilities in one body
- abiltiy to use Rinnegan paths simultaneously
- None loss of chakra by sending it to control dead bodies
- Ability to use Five basic elemental Ninjutsu(not shown )
- Ability to use Ying yang elemental Ninjutsu(not shown)
Cons:
- lack of shared vision of six bodies(can be make up with Animal path summons)
- you have to take down only one body instead of six bodies
At top of all these reasons Nagato isn't even orignal user of Rinnengan, who I believe could show full extent of Rinnengan abilities.
Even although Nagato isn't original user of Rinnengan, Kishi had to restrict him via:
- make him unable to use Five basic elemental Ninjutsu
- make him unable to move(lack of mobility)
- make him uanble to use Ying yang release
Madara as original user and possesor of Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in one body, Obito as possesor of Senjuu and Uchiha DNA in body are not included in my debate because they still didn't show all Rinnengan paths...
We can't truely meassure Rinnengan power/full capabilites until Kishi will allows strong Shinobi who posses original Rinnengan to shows it's true powers, while:
- being able to use all Rinnengan paths in one body and use them simultaneously
- being able to use Ying Yang release
- being able to use Five basic elemental Ninjutsu
- posses at least average physical capabilities including: mobility, durability, being healthy, good taijutsu, good speed, good strength etc...
- being talented in all Shinobi sections: Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and Taijutsu
Until then Rinnengan power won't be shown to live to it's hype but even then it won't show Full power of Rinnengan, which can only be shown by Sage of six paths himself....
ONE THING MORE: RINNENGAN ALLOWS IT'S USER TO USE ANY JUTSU
I understand it as giving potential to learn and use any jutsu instead of granting it for free along with awakening Rinnengan.
I created a thread containing all Rinnengan abilities along with possible one still unknown to us Rinnengan could have. If you are interested in reading this thread you can check it here:
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Thanks for reading and I hope you can make use of what I said in your thread or at least find it interesting =D
I am waiting for Sage of six paths reappearance, he is only one shows all Rinnengan abilities to full extent
EDIT: I wish I could rep you , but first I had to spread some of it... ;(
This question avoids addressing an important issue, being it's not the technique, but the person using it. Black Zetsu, in dialogue with White Zetsu, said something that sounds like, "A novice with a shuriken can be beaten by an expert with a pebble." When we discuss Nagato vs. Itachi, I think it's kind of like that. Although the Mangekyou is a less powerful dojutsu than the Rinnegan, someone who is intimately familiar with the what a Mangekyou can do, as well as what a Rinnegan can do (Itachi would probably have memorized the contents of the stone Uchiha tablet), should not have too hard a time disposing of a crippled Nagato (no offense Nagato fans). Then of course you throw in the Totsuka blade and Yata mirror, and in Black Zetsu's words he's completely unstoppable. Go ahead and sense it from far away, you have to dodge it every time he swings it, and you have to make sure your attacks don't get eaten by the mirror shield.
Rinnegan is nothing but a tool. the So6p is the only Rinnegan user I would say is invincible. Everyone else have been beaten or they are EDO.
In the words of Itachi "All Jutsu have a weakness" and if that jutsu does not have a Weakness then Itachi is the weakness to that jutsu - Manga fact LOL
Pain was a great fighter but at this point in the series no one should underestimate the Rinnegan especially since So6p soloed 1 shot 1 kill monster with it.
Also Pain usage of the Rinnegan seemed limited. I can't picture the S06p using "Paths" the way pain did. for all we know he could have his own type of techniques used with the rinnegan. He created the tailed beast so there is no limit to what he can do with his eyes
