Sage Madara is nothing but a cover up for Hashirama stomp

[TheSages456]

i see a lot of retarded madara fans in this thread whos arguments are loosely based on the pictures in the manga and not actual context.



madara and base hashirama fought as edo tensei.

madara put rods in his back which then made him unable to mold any more chakra while base hashirama restrained madara with the mokuryu, sapping his chakra.

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madara couldnt move at this point. he was restrained. he was ready for a finishing blow. hashirama had the upper hand.

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hashirama was still able to restrain madara with gates after narutos rasenshuriken.

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when black zetsu made obito revive madara, he regained his full power right before being sealed, which allowed him to break his restraints. he wasnt fully powered after fighting hashirama because he was worn down.

when a fully powered madara revived, he defeated a weakened hashirama quickly, who he had worn down as an edo tensei.

 

[Styles]

cry more kid

Base hashirama > EMS madara

SM hashirama > EDO madara

SM hashirama = Current madara U_U

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I hope you're not serious

 

[TrollingSage]

Cuz they were at CQC using taijutsu and cuz no deva was used against tobirama.

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It's all speculation. Actually now that you mention it, there's also a small skip in Tobirama and Madara's fight. Kishi didnt show how got Tobirama with the rods either. You're basically talking out of your ass.

Rods were placed with intent to siphon hashi's Senjutsu to madara.
When initially placed Hashi still had SM marks, in next scan he didnt. He didnt run out of it either as madara absorbed remaining chakra and got SM himself.

Restraining with rods is done by disrupting one's chakra(as shown vs jiraya) to do so madara has to channel his chakra into it rather then stealing it out. Here is why madara didnt do so, but technically hashirama was owned as soon as rods were there

Exactly my point. those rods were placed to paralyze Hashirama so why didn't he use them then? Madara had 2 enemies; the alliance and Juubito. The alliance were and Juubito were fighting each other. What better time than that to steal Hashirama's sage mode? What was he waiting for. If he could have stolen Hashirama's SM earlier, he would have.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It's all speculation. Actually now that you mention it, there's also a small skip in Tobirama and Madara's fight. Kishi didnt show how got Tobirama with the rods either. You're basically talking out of your ass.

Exactly my point. those rods were placed to paralyze Hashirama so why didn't he use them then? Madara had 2 enemies; the alliance and Juubito. The alliance were and Juubito were fighting each other. What better time than that to steal Hashirama's sage mode? What was he waiting for. If he could have stolen Hashirama's SM earlier, he would have.

Speculation or not. It sure looks taijutsu rather then Deva path for instance.

Because rods are used either to channel chakra in or out. Absorbing chakra - OUT, paralyzing - IN.
Madara needed remaining SM chakra hence he couldnt afford to paralyze him yet.
If the fight wouldnt be over SM power but to kill hashi would easily lose.
Nagato overpowered SM user so long ago, madara got much stronger chakra.

 

[TrollingSage]

Speculation or not. It sure looks taijutsu rather then Deva path for instance.

AM sorry I didnt read the memo which says Madara is not allowed to use deva powers if his opponent engages him in cqc.

Because rods are used either to channel chakra in or out. Absorbing chakra - OUT, paralyzing - IN.
Madara needed remaining SM chakra hence he couldnt afford to paralyze him yet

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What the hell is that even supposed to mean? You do realize he paralyzed Hashirama before absorbing his SM right? Couldn't he have done the same thing as an edo? What the hell are you even talking about?
The rods are for paralyzing. They prevent one from kneading chakra. Madara absorbed SM with an uknown power. That had nothing to do with the rods

Nagato overpowered SM user so long ago, madara got much stronger chakra.

Actually what Nagato paralyzed is an imperfect sage mode user. His rods failed against even Naruto

 

[TheSages456]

Speculation or not. It sure looks taijutsu rather then Deva path for instance.

Because rods are used either to channel chakra in or out. Absorbing chakra - OUT, paralyzing - IN.
Madara needed remaining SM chakra hence he couldnt afford to paralyze him yet.
If the fight wouldnt be over SM power but to kill hashi would easily lose.
Nagato overpowered SM user so long ago, madara got much stronger chakra.

chakra rods dont absorb chakra. they can transmit and receive chakra. if you're going to claim something that nonsensical, you will need a scan of them doing this.

madara couldnt restrain hashirama because hashirama sapped his chakra, restrained him with a mokuryu, then restrained him with gates. madara was battle worn.

madara didnt have enough power at that point in time to restrain him.

 

[Bronze]

Madara couldn't paralyze Hashirama with the rods, because he needs his own blood. Since Edo Tensie covers the corpse with dust, he could only absorb Senjutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

AM sorry I didnt read the memo which says Madara is not allowed to use deva powers if his opponent engages him in cqc.

So what madara used Deva repulsive force to project the rods?
Madara thrown rods?
In either case it laughable hashi could not dodge that and madara hit the mark.
Madara had hashirama frozen in air like sasuke?
Anyhow you look at it, rods are there, right when madara intended, he could have aimed for the head just as easy.
In case of alive hashi its a stomp.

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? You do realize he paralyzed Hashirama before absorbing his SM right? Couldn't he have done the same thing as an edo? What the hell are you even talking about?
The rods are for paralyzing. They prevent one from kneading chakra. Madara absorbed SM with an uknown power. That had nothing to do with the rods

True, theoretically he could, i guess. Maybe he was fooling around for the obito outcome and then had to focus on resurrecting himself before obito got killed.

Actually what Nagato paralyzed is an imperfect sage mode user. His rods failed against even Naruto

Imperfect sage mode? Still sage mode, slight difference in proportions doesnt make another outcome.
Imperfect nagato and over great distance.

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Only BSM has saved naruto, hashirama has no BSM, madara is far stronger then weakened nagato.

 

[TrollingSage]

Madara couldn't paralyze Hashirama with the rods, because he needs his own blood. Since Edo Tensie covers the corpse with dust, he could only absorb Senjutsu.

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You were saying?

 

[Bronze]

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You were saying?

What does have to day with what i said?. Madara retrained Hashirama after biting himself.

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You were saying?

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Haha so true but at the same time Edo madara was holding back

 

[TrollingSage]

So what madara used Deva repulsive force to project the rods?
Madara thrown rods?
In either case it laughable hashi could not dodge that and madara hit the mark.

Not quite as laughable as Madara getting his chakra sucked out by something he could have easily destroyed.
Madara had hashirama frozen in air like sasuke? Who knows. The full fight wasn't shown, therefore you can't make any assertions.

True, theoretically he could, i guess. Maybe he was fooling around for the obito outcome and then had to focus on resurrecting himself before obito got killed.

Or maybe he couldn't do anything because he was being surpressed by Hashirama's jutsu.

mperfect sage mode? Still sage mode, slight difference in proportions doesnt make another outcome.
Imperfect nagato and over great distance.

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Actually the difference between imperfect and perfect sage mode is monumental. Jiraiya didnt exhibit the enhanced sensing and strenght Naruto has shown in SM. Naruto's SM > Jiraiya's and thats a manga fact.

Only BSM has saved naruto, hashirama has no BSM, madara is far stronger then weakened nagato.

BSM? Oh please only a tiny bit of the fox's power was flowing out. Hashirama has a chakra volume that rivals the fox and thats a mangaphax. Hashirama is exponentially more powerful than the Naruto that fought Pain.
You're making me laugh with all these weak rebuttals.

What does have to day with what i said?. Madara retrained Hashirama after biting himself.

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You were saying?

It has everything to do with what you said. You see it shows Edo Madara can use his rods to manipulate his target. Even if he needs blood for restraining, he doesnt need it for manipulation. He could have just controlled and and stolen Hashirama's SM if he had the power to do so. You're just grasping at straws.

 

[Aya San]

Actually I think Maddy bit himself only to show that he's alive, look at Hashirama's facial expression, and saying "coming back to life was something I had intended" strengthen this argument

 

[Dark Artist]

why you hate madara ?

because he is the Greatest Uchiha ever and the leader of the Uchiha ?

while itachi was one of Danzo and Hurizen Dogs ?

also if hashirama Beat Madara in the past

Madara humiliated hashirama in the last chapters when he owned him even as an edo ( hashi ) and stick the rods in his body

not to mention now as the Juubi host he will destroy hashirama in 1 second

if you're a Real Uchiha Fan you have to like Each Uchiha

but you are Butthurt itachi Wanker thats all .. ​

 

[TrollingSage]

Actually I think Maddy bit himself only to show that he's alive, look at Hashirama's facial expression, and saying "coming back to life was something I had intended" strengthen this argument

On second thought, you are right. It makes no sense whatsoever that he can control someone's will as edo but needs his own blood to restrain them. Surely if he can control their movements at will, he can also stop them from moving (restraint).
Sorry Madara Rules this is one fight you can't win

 

[Bronze]

Not quite as laughable as Madara getting his chakra sucked out by something he could have easily destroyed.
Madara had hashirama frozen in air like sasuke? Who knows. The full fight wasn't shown, therefore you can't make any assertions.

Or maybe he couldn't do anything because he was being surpressed by Hashirama's jutsu.
Actually the difference between imperfect and perfect sage mode is monumental. Jiraiya didnt exhibit the enhanced sensing and strenght Naruto has shown in SM. Naruto's SM > Jiraiya's and thats a manga fact.
BSM? Oh please only a tiny bit of the fox's power was flowing out. Hashirama has a chakra volume that rivals the fox and thats a mangaphax. Hashirama is exponentially more powerful than the Naruto that fought Pain.
You're making me laugh with all these weak rebuttals.

It has everything to do with what you said. You see it shows Edo Madara can use his rods to manipulate his target. Even if he needs blood for restraining, he doesnt need it for manipulation. He could have just controlled and and stolen Hashirama's SM if he had the power to do so. You're just grasping at straws.

No, stop spewing bullshit. 3 Scans show Madara's blood, handseal and Hashirama is restrained. This means he needed his blood for that. And his goal wasn't to manipulate Hashirama. He tried to absorb his Senjutsu, but it got harder since Hashirama is absorbing his Chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

Actually I think Maddy bit himself only to show that he's alive, look at Hashirama's facial expression, and saying "coming back to life was something I had intended" strengthen this argument

madara bit himself because he needed an opening to absorb hashiramas senjutsu chakra into. he absorbed his chakra through the bite wound in his wrist.

 

[TrollingSage]

No, stop spewing bullshit. 3 Scans show Madara's blood, handseal and Hashirama is restrained. This means he needed his blood for that. And his goal wasn't to manipulate Hashirama. He tried to absorb his Senjutsu, but it got harder since Hashirama is absorbing his Chakra.

No his goal was to steal Hashirama's sage mode. Something that would have been a walk in the park if he can control Hashirama.
The power to manipulate and restrain are practically the same power. If you can control someone you can simply stop them from moving.

 

[Bronze]

madara bit himself because he needed an opening to absorb hashiramas senjutsu chakra into. he absorbed his chakra through the bite wound in his wrist.

He bit himself so his will can completely restrain Hashirama through the hand seal he form.

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No his goal was to steal Hashirama's sage mode. Something that would have been a walk in the park if he can control Hashirama.
The power to manipulate and restrain are practically the same power. If you can control someone you can simply stop them from moving.

And he steals it through absorbing it. Depends on the circumstances, and for the black rod and its functions always depends on Madara's power running through them. Now let me ask you a question.

How did Madara completely restrain Hashirama in living, while not in Edo state?

 

[AlphaScythian]

Or maybe he couldn't do anything because he was being surpressed by Hashirama's jutsu.

Thats bull. It slowly saps one chakra away it doesnt suppress humans. SM less Hashi already had rods and madara could paralyze him any time

Actually the difference between imperfect and perfect sage mode is monumental. Jiraiya didnt exhibit the enhanced sensing and strenght Naruto has shown in SM. Naruto's SM > Jiraiya's and thats a manga fact.

Show me where ma and pa have sensing ability. Ill be happy to see it.

BSM? Oh please only a tiny bit of the fox's power was flowing out. Hashirama has a chakra volume that rivals the fox and thats a mangaphax. Hashirama is exponentially more powerful than the Naruto that fought Pain.

Hashirama has huge stamina not a strong chakra. You got some shit confused there. It's not quantity that defines power.

You're making me laugh with all these weak rebuttals.

You would talk.

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After all it was taijutsu, after all Hashirama had no SM. There wasnt a reason why wouldnt madara paralyze him except kishi's will