Sage/Fox integration.

[silenceofthelambs]

No contradiction you just do not know your predicates, your subject or middle terms, your inferences and assumptions are base on fatly thinking. I was train Logic, Aristotle the Father of logic. In all arguments you must have a subject and a predicate, what can united or separated a statement that is your middle term. And my college professors Never complain about my grammar in any language. I Majored in Philosophy and Political Science. English is my second language, Spanish my first. I speck, write, and read In the following Languages, Spanish,English,Latin, Greek (Ancient and Modern) French and Portuguese. I wroth my Thesis in Latin.
Again in Madara you are the one not thinking. I said Madara's philosophy is to use force on what they perceived to be a problem, before it gets out of hand. Both Madara and Sasuke are drunk with their powers, believing that no matter what it will get them what ever they want, when they want it. But They're going to be surprise at the changes that are coming.

That's quite impressive to say the least. You certainly know your subjects - you say you majored in philosophy and political science, correct? What are some philosophical works you hold in high regard? Or philosophers, for that matter? If I remember correctly, philosophy, in Greek, means "love of wisdom." "Philo" means wisdom, and "Sophy" means love. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Kyuubi Sage]

Naruto will able to completely control Kyuubi because Kyuubi wants revenge on Madara Uchiha while Naruto wants to save Sasuke Uchiha.

 

[Honord Sage]

That's quite impressive to say the least. You certainly know your subjects - you say you majored in philosophy and political science, correct? What are some philosophical works you hold in high regard? Or philosophers, for that matter? If I remember correctly, philosophy, in Greek, means "love of wisdom." "Philo" means wisdom, and "Sophy" means love. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct I am a Classic follower of Aristotle and Aquinas's, I do not follow, some of the new liberal Philosophies that attempt to reduce reality to phenomena and subjective matter. That use symbolic logic independent from reality, thus making their argument correct from experience, basing on numbers. I believe that reality is independent of the observer for example, if a tree falls in the forest it makes no difference if theirs a subject to see it fall, their will be evidence left behind of it fall. Modern Philosophy states that s subject must be present to testify that it has happen and that so call evidence cannot be used.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

You are correct I am a Classic follower of Aristotle and Aquinas's, I do not follow, some of the new liberal Philosophies that attempt to reduce reality to phenomena and subjective matter. That use symbolic logic independent from reality, thus making their argument correct from experience, basing on numbers. I believe that reality is independent of the observer for example, if a tree falls in the forest it makes no difference if theirs a subject to see it fall, their will be evidence left behind of it fall. Modern Philosophy states that s subject must be present to testify that it has happen and that so call evidence cannot be used.

St. Thomas Aquinas was a heavily influential philosopher, and his work Summa Theologica is central to Christianity and its teachings. Do you enjoy reading the works of Desiderius Erasmus? He was quite the famous humanist, following the philosophy that "man is the measure of all things."

Karl Barth was an important theologian as well (some compare his influence to that of Thomas Aquinas), and his Epistle to the Romans urged humans to recognize the saving grace of God and the inability to fully understand him.

As far as reality being independent from the observer, I do not think this is so. Have you ever heard of the Uncertainty Principle, brought forth by German theoretical physicist Werner Heisenberg? In essence, it states that objectivity is impossible, because the observer is part of the process. If a tree falls, but there is no one around to see it, one could make the argument that the tree never really fell. It's clear to me you enjoy reading the texts of classical philosophers, such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Epicurus, Epictetus, and many more.

I enjoy all these philosophers, but I also like Nietzche, Søren Kierkegaard, Jean-Paul Sartre, René Descartes, and others. So many interesting ideas and theories about life they bring.

 

[Astral]

St. Thomas Aquinas was a heavily influential philosopher, and his work Summa Theologica is central to Christianity and its teachings. Do you enjoy reading the works of Desiderius Erasmus? He was quite the famous humanist, following the philosophy that "man is the measure of all things."

Karl Barth was an important theologian as well (some compare his influence to that of Thomas Aquinas), and his Epistle to the Romans urged humans to recognize the saving grace of God and the inability to fully understand him.

As far as reality being independent from the observer, I do not think this is so. Have you ever heard of the Uncertainty Principle, brought forth by German theoretical physicist Werner Heisenberg? In essence, it states that objectivity is impossible, because the observer is part of the process. If a tree falls, but there is no one around to see it, one could make the argument that the tree never really fell. It's clear to me you enjoy reading the texts of classical philosophers, such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Epicurus, Epictetus, and many more.

I enjoy all these philosophers, but I also like Nietzche, Søren Kierkegaard, Jean-Paul Sartre, René Descartes, and others. So many interesting ideas and theories about life they bring.

So thats how the fox's integration is worked, nice. Lollll

 

[Honord Sage]

St. Thomas Aquinas was a heavily influential philosopher, and his work Summa Theologica is central to Christianity and its teachings. Do you enjoy reading the works of Desiderius Erasmus? He was quite the famous humanist, following the philosophy that "man is the measure of all things."

Karl Barth was an important theologian as well (some compare his influence to that of Thomas Aquinas), and his Epistle to the Romans urged humans to recognize the saving grace of God and the inability to fully understand him.

As far as reality being independent from the observer, I do not think this is so. Have you ever heard of the Uncertainty Principle, brought forth by German theoretical physicist Werner Heisenberg? In essence, it states that objectivity is impossible, because the observer is part of the process. If a tree falls, but there is no one around to see it, one could make the argument that the tree never really fell. It's clear to me you enjoy reading the texts of classical philosophers, such as Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Epicurus, Epictetus, and many more.

I enjoy all these philosophers, but I also like Nietzche, Søren Kierkegaard, Jean-Paul Sartre, René Descartes, and others. So many interesting ideas and theories about life they bring.

I have read all, Nietzche I had to take my time reading Him, He can get depressing at times.

 

[Scary Yamato]

So thats how the fox's integration is worked, nice. Lollll

LMAO... XD nice. way to bring the subject back.

please keep philosophy and favorite books to thier perspective threads unless they relate directly with the topic.

I forgo what we were talking about now....

I dont know how we went from Fox/Sage integration went to a discussion of madara's abilities and philosophy

Now back on topic. How would fox transformations work with sage mode?

we do kow he can use fox chakra to maintain a higher chakra pool and therefor be able to channel a larger balanced amount of natural cakra which could make his sage mode dramatically stronger.

if transformations requre a majority amount of fox chakra present, then the introduction of natural chakra might disrupt this balance...

So in conclusion i think he can use kyuubi chakra to increase sage mode effectiveness, but creating a sage mode version of a beast transformation would be unlikely... at least in my opinion

 

[silenceofthelambs]

So thats how the fox's integration is worked, nice. Lollll

That's right!

 

[oFuiinJutsuu]

Wow ! You guys must have boring lives xd

 

[Honord Sage]

Wow ! You guys must have boring lives xd

Intellectual life is not boring it expands all possibilities of the mind, thats all.

 

[Scary Yamato]

Wow ! You guys must have boring lives xd

says the man who is reasing the posts of people he finds boring.

 

[Honord Sage]

LMAO... XD nice. way to bring the subject back.

please keep philosophy and favorite books to thier perspective threads unless they relate directly with the topic.

I forgo what we were talking about now....

I dont know how we went from Fox/Sage integration went to a discussion of madara's abilities and philosophy

Now back on topic. How would fox transformations work with sage mode?

we do kow he can use fox chakra to maintain a higher chakra pool and therefor be able to channel a larger balanced amount of natural cakra which could make his sage mode dramatically stronger.

if transformations requre a majority amount of fox chakra present, then the introduction of natural chakra might disrupt this balance...

So in conclusion i think he can use kyuubi chakra to increase sage mode effectiveness, but creating a sage mode version of a beast transformation would be unlikely... at least in my opinion

Fox Chakra is large, but so is Sage chakra sines it comes from Nature it self, I said before Naruto now needs to balances all the chakras in a 4 way balance each chakra would in theory negated the weakness of each and give more strength to the user. Naruto concentration and will are the key to it's success or failure, all the concentration training that Jiraiya and Pa did with Him are about to pay off.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Intellectual life is not boring it expands all possibilities of the mind, thats all.

Very true. Some people, though, would rather remain close-minded instead of opening their minds to this mystifying and extraordinary place we live in. And not just the earth, a pale blue dot in the grand scheme of it all, but the great divine above.

 

[Honord Sage]

If all of you remember the Fox used Naruto and it own chakra to make the Menacing Ball against Orochimaru and Pain, now add Sage Chakra to it and mix wind in it, no telling how powerful it might be, it may be classify as above S Category in the Ninja book.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Fox Chakra is large, but so is Sage chakra sines it comes from Nature it self, I said before Naruto now needs to balances all the chakras in a 4 way balance each chakra would in theory negated the weakness of each and give more strength to the user. Naruto concentration and will are the key to it's success or failure, all the concentration training that Jiraiya and Pa did with Him are about to pay off.

If a user is able to draw on natural energy, they have an almost limitless supply of energy, since it is taken from the environment and not from within one's body. As far as the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan goes, I want to see what sort of abilities it presents that might be a counter to Naruto's Sage Mode and Nine-Tails chakra. Now that Sasuke has Itachi's eyes, thereby granting him this incredible doujutsu, will he use Izanagi? If so, will the "eternal" aspect of the Mangekyou Sharingan allow him to use it repetitively without his eyes being rendered blind permanently? It's a giant question of debate on this forum whether Madara still has his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan or not - things in the manga seem to suggest both that he does, and that he does not.

For example, Itachi said to Sasuke that despite losing the battle for control, Madara's powers remain "alive and well," stating that his eyes continue to function as well.

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However, Madara told the Five Kages, while explaining his Moon's Eye Plan, that he is nothing but a "mere shell of [his] former self."

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Going back to the topic, despite the contradiction in the story, if Naruto intends to fight Madara, and Madara does so, then he will need some sort of power to combat Naruto, unless he manipulates Sasuke into killing Naruto.

It is without a doubt that Naruto possesses an enormous amount of power as well, and also interesting is what abilities Sasuke has developed, and what power Madara might be keeping hidden from the Kages and perhaps everyone else.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

If all of you remember the Fox used Naruto and it own chakra to make the Menacing Ball against Orochimaru and Pain, now add Sage Chakra to it and mix wind in it, no telling how powerful it might be, it may be classify as above S Category in the Ninja book.

The Menacing Ball attack is clearly a powerful technique (though causing a great amount of damage to Naruto as well, so it could be said that this ability is somewhat double-edged), and Orochimaru himself said that if he did not avoid or try to defend against it, it would spell "unavoidable death." Adding Sage elements to it, perhaps, will decrease the amount of harm it does to Naruto, so he can use this Menacing Ball against opponents while not injuring himself so much in the process.

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In order to defeat Madara, Minato knew that the only way Naruto would be able to do so was use the power of the Nine-Tailed Fox. Perhaps "that jutsu" can only be completed if one has control over the Nine-Tails; but the interesting thing is that despite the frogs at Myoboku mountain having mentioned Naruto being the one to complete "that jutsu," Minato never even said a word about it.

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It only makes one wonder what "that" actually is.

 

[Honord Sage]

The FRS had the same problem but Sage chakra fix that, it should do the same to the Menacing Ball. And just like it expanded the damage area to Sage FRS it should do the same to Menacing Ball to.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

The FRS had the same problem but Sage chakra fix that, it should do the same to the Menacing Ball. And just like it expanded the damage area to Sage FRS it should do the same to Menacing Ball to.

I agree. Sage chakra seems to circumvent most of the problems Naruto faces when he develops a new technique, like the Fuuton Rasen Shuriken, as you stated.

 

[Scary Yamato]

As far as sasukes EMS, that should grant him canstant access his current abilities as well as Itachis as well. Those techniqes will still use great portions of chakra but he will no longer have his degenretion of sight. If it goes down to a battle of endurance, Naruto will win hands down. However, Sasuke will have a more versetile assortment of jutsu. Hopefully sage/fox mode can help protect him from Genjutsu...

I'm starting to think that the power itachi gave naruto is the ability to se sasuke when he puts naruto in genjutsu... much like how minato and kushina hid a portion of themselves within naruto as well.

So do we think Naruto in Fox mode will be able to compress, eat and shoot a fuuton: rasen shuriken?

 

[Honord Sage]

Their may be other things 2 like the ability to go to the next level in Sage mode to Sage Mode 2 and who nows Fox Mode 2, One thing about Naruto, just when you think He has reach His Max, He finds a way to go too a new level.