[Discussion] sabo vs. The whitebeard comanders

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Majority of ppl on the base feel despite lack of feats feel that sabo can beat Doffy no prob (ranging from mid to high diff depending on member) (I personally do not agree with this) but I always held Doffy around same level of white beard commanders (bar ace who I feel is the weakest and Marco who I feel is a small margin ahead of Vista Jozu and Doffy ) because of portrayal and the parasite thing with Jozu. After all the feats Doffy has displayed during this arc I still feel same way (around post timeskip I feel this is how strong each commander of whitebeard is bar ace)
Now with that being said how do u fair sabo (mera mera) would do against these 4 commanders ?

Sabo (premera mera) vs. Ace
Sabo(mera mera) vs. Vista
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Jozu
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Marco
(Pre and post timeskip give answers )


Lastly please explain why do not do like y'all do on Doffy threads how he's second in command because 1 all of these ppl controlled fleets of pirates and 2 we have seen on 2 seperate occasions where the number 2 was not the right hand man of the head (crocodile and whitebeard)

Also please do not give an excuse of what people seem to think of sabo holding his own against fuji (I personally do not feel this simply because once fuji got serious sabo got outclassed)
Because jozu held his own against akoiji for majority of war
Vista held his own against mihawk
And Marco did with kizaru these ppl actually REALLY held their own against admiral level fighters


Now what do y'all think ?

 

[loj]

Sabo without Mera. vs Ace ...hmm Ace takes this one?
Sabo>Vista
Sabo>Jozu
Marco>Sabo I assume.That was hard to decide

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

sabo beats all of the above mentioned.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Marco low-med diff Sabo

 

[KCN]

Sabo isn't beating Marco.

I believe however he'd beat Vista. Not sure about Jozu. He beats Ace though.

 

[Dark Crow]

Marco > Sabo would be a good fight though

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Sabo (premera mera) vs. Ace = Ace max difficulty or tie, like back in Grey Terminal
Sabo(mera mera) vs. Vista = Sabo high diffs this one
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Jozu = More or less a tie or victory in Jozu's favour
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Marco = Marco high mid-high diffs

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Sabo (premera mera) vs. Ace = Ace max difficulty or tie, like back in Grey Terminal
Sabo(mera mera) vs. Vista = Sabo high diffs this one
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Jozu = More or less a tie or victory in Jozu's favour
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Marco = Marco high mid-high diffs

I agree with this for most part tho feel jozu clearly wins the only thing I worried about was speed feats but then he kept up with akoiji so Jozu is not slow.. and I rank akoiji faster then sabo.
I fail to c how sabo harm's jozu when akoiji failed to do so until taking advantage of jozu distraction of Marco (or ace I forget) getting hurt which sabo won't have

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I agree with this for most part tho feel jozu clearly wins the only thing I worried about was speed feats but then he kept up with akoiji so Jozu is not slow.. and I rank akoiji faster then sabo.
I fail to c how sabo harm's jozu when akoiji failed to do so until taking advantage of jozu distraction of Marco (or ace I forget) getting hurt which sabo won't have

As for strength it's obvious who's stronger ,(physically ) reflexes I would give this to sabo as well as destructive output
But speed and strength durability and stamina give to jozu until proven other wise

Shaking my head @ ppl who say Marco Is weaker then sabo.. Marco himself is yonko level or right under it post timeskip as because he's one of the listed to beat blackbeard who everyone has excepted became yonko level

 

[KCN]

Marco's rejuvenation in phoenix form is far too haxx. As of now we haven't seen it's limit but taking shots from Kizaru and Akainu is no joke.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I agree with this for most part tho feel jozu clearly wins the only thing I worried about was speed feats but then he kept up with akoiji so Jozu is not slow.. and I rank akoiji faster then sabo.
I fail to c how sabo harm's jozu when akoiji failed to do so until taking advantage of jozu distraction of Marco (or ace I forget) getting hurt which sabo won't have

Well Kuzan won so clearly he damaged Jozu

Don't know how fast characters are, but given the abilities of the Mera Mera no Mi, Sabo looks faster than Jozu, although it's unclear. If Sabo can blitz Jozu and hit his weak spots then he'd win

+ Dragon Claws is pretty overpowered and if strong enough, could be damaging due to Diamond being so rigid

 

[Bogard]

Pre-Mera Sabo vs Ace - Tie or Sabo barely edge this one out
Sabo(Mera) vs Vista - Sabo very high diff this one out
Sabo(Mera) vs Jozu - Tie or Jozu extreme diff
Sabo(Mera) vs Marco - Marco high-very high difficulty

 

[xxSAGExx]

Sabo would most likely lose to any commander in White beard army, people seem to forget that Sabo is still new to his new devil fruit powers; it takes years to become adept with the powers. All of the WB commanders were handling the admirals 2 years ago, everyone would become stronger including the admirals. You can try comparing BB (Black Beard) 2nd to WB commanders then compare him to Sabo since they fought and are currently about to fight but BB didn't show up until everyone was mostly injured and not close to full strength.

 

[shon93]

As for strength it's obvious who's stronger ,(physically ) reflexes I would give this to sabo as well as destructive output
But speed and strength durability and stamina give to jozu until proven other wise

Shaking my head @ ppl who say Marco Is weaker then sabo.. Marco himself is yonko level or right under it post timeskip as because he's one of the listed to beat blackbeard who everyone has excepted became yonko level

Yonko level? Pretimeskip him and Vista couldnt hurt Akainu together ..please be honest bro. I love Marco just as much as the other guy but he is one dimennsional

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Well Kuzan won so clearly he damaged Jozu

Don't know how fast characters are, but given the abilities of the Mera Mera no Mi, Sabo looks faster than Jozu, although it's unclear. If Sabo can blitz Jozu and hit his weak spots then he'd win

+ Dragon Claws is pretty overpowered and if strong enough, could be damaging due to Diamond being so rigid

Akoji only won because of distraction for jozu caring about his teammate in a war
In a one on one fight sabo will not have tht

And sabo by feats is not cutting or breaking diamond if neither akoiji nor Mohawk could ...

Also what weak spots does jozu have exactly ? Cuz akoiji despite over powered df (more then mera) could not access them until distraction

As for sabo blitzing jozu thts a joke ... Sabo got blitzed by fuji with one attack... I have no reason to believe sabo is faster then akoiji who failed to blitz jozu..

 

[Praydara]

Sabo takes all but Marco, with the Ace fight being the most difficult.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Yonko level? Pretimeskip him and Vista couldnt hurt Akainu together ..please be honest bro. I love Marco just as much as the other guy but he is one dimennsional

I'm talking about post timeskip I believe if marco was stated to be one of the ppl to stop black beard , and blackbeard becoming yonko level over timeskip why not Marco as well.. ? Hes been fighting black beard for theirr territory for 2 years no doubt he has improved ... I fail to c how black beard who was weaker then Marco (debatable with quake quake fruit due to him being inexpirenced with it) becomjngs yonko level by fighting marco when he himself doesn't improve .. it's already been stated tht black beard has been fighting them since the timeakip

As for akainu comment ... Really black beard entire squad got merked the fleet admiral and black beard himself chose not to fight akainu when thier interaction over boney happened..

 

[keshav31]

pre timeskip we can't say about sabo but after time skip
sabo>vista
sabo>jozu
sabo>marco
As sabo has very skilled haki & now with flame flame fruit he is even more powerful

 

[shon93]

I'm talking about post timeskip I believe if marco was stated to be one of the ppl to stop black beard , and blackbeard becoming yonko level over timeskip why not Marco as well.. ? Hes been fighting black beard for theirr territory for 2 years no doubt he has improved ... I fail to c how black beard who was weaker then Marco (debatable with quake quake fruit due to him being inexpirenced with it) becomjngs yonko level by fighting marco when he himself doesn't improve .. it's already been stated tht black beard has been fighting them since the timeakip

As for akainu comment ... Really black beard entire squad got merked the fleet admiral and black beard himself chose not to fight akainu when thier interaction over boney happened..

Have u heard of a term called "Show don't tell" in literature. I won't let anyone tell me Marco is on BB level. I have to use common sense and think for myself. BB has almost phoenix level durabilty and possibly 2 of the strongest DFs in the series. Meanwhile pretimeskip Marco couldnt damage Akainu after he got a motivated quake punch from WB with the help of Vista

 

[A v i]

Sabo is slightly weaker than them except for Ace IMO.