[Discussion] sabo vs. The whitebeard comanders

[shon93]

Sabo is slightly weaker than them except for Ace IMO.

Based on what?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Sabo (premera mera) vs. Ace = Ace max difficulty or tie, like back in Grey Terminal
Sabo(mera mera) vs. Vista = Sabo high diffs this one
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Jozu = More or less a tie or victory in Jozu's favour
Sabo (mera mera) vs. Marco = Marco high mid-high diffs

Ace cannot beat Sabo, stop wanking

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Pre Mera Sabo beats Ace mid diff. Sabo beats Vista high diff. Sabo beats Jozu high diff. Marco wins extreme diff.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Ace cannot beat Sabo, stop wanking

Considering in the flashbacks they were equals and Ace had a massive powerup from the Mera Mera no Mi... Pre Mera Mera Sabo was roughly equal

 

[A v i]

Based on what?

Based on the fact that Wb commanders never received a dent on them while having serious battles with admirals until they were distracted where as Sabo exhausted himself just to fight an admirals who wasn't even trying seriously.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Considering in the flashbacks they were equals and Ace had a massive powerup from the Mera Mera no Mi... Pre Mera Mera Sabo was roughly equal

That's not really valid reasoning
In the flashbacks Sabo and Ace negged Luffy
Does that mean PK Luffy will still be negged by them?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Considering in the flashbacks they were equals and Ace had a massive powerup from the Mera Mera no Mi... Pre Mera Mera Sabo was roughly equal

Who trained for 12 years with Dragon and is the second in command of the Revolutionary Army?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

That's not really valid reasoning
In the flashbacks Sabo and Ace negged Luffy
Does that mean PK Luffy will still be negged by them?

Luffy's got nothing to do with this

Ace>Sabo in grey terminal

Considering the training, the gap was depleted but Ace still wins

This was my pre skip answer anyways so I don't see the big deal

 

[Bogard]

Ace had better potential than Sabo. Many top tier characters including Sengoku/Whitebeard said that he'd have been the pirate king if he lived longer, saying he was the shining star of his generation. You can even notice how he was already much stronger than the likes of Burgess pretimeskip(with Blackbeard saying he was no match for Ace alongside the rest) when post-timeskip Burgess can at least give some trouble to Pre-Mera Sabo(infact he didn't manage to defeat him and had to cheat to steal the fruit). I think however that during the 2years timeskip, both Sabo and Burgess became stronger enough to overcome the difference in potential the 2 years back deceased Ace had on them

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Ace had better potential than Sabo. Many top tier characters including Sengoku/Whitebeard said that he'd have been the pirate king if he lived longer, saying he was the shining star of his generation. You can even notice how he was already much stronger than the likes of Burgess pretimeskip(with Blackbeard saying he was no match for Ace alongside the rest) when post-timeskip Burgess can at least give some trouble to Pre-Mera Sabo(infact he didn't manage to defeat him and had to cheat to steal the fruit). I think however that during the 2years timeskip, both Sabo and Burgess became stronger enough to overcome the difference in potential the 2 years back deceased Ace had on them

Thank f*ck I'm not alone in this

 

[Hexuze]

Aside from Ace, I think the other commanders can defeat Sabo, both pre-TS & post-TS. (maybe Jozu even after losing an arm)

 

[shon93]

Based on the fact that Wb commanders never received a dent on them while having serious battles with admirals until they were distracted where as Sabo exhausted himself just to fight an admirals who wasn't even trying seriously.

Marco and Vista couldn't injure Akainu whiles attacking together after he received a motivated quake punch from WB. END OF STORY. They did nothing so they shouldn't be above Sabo

 

[Mugiwara kun]

IMO this has to stop. Let's go back to the marine Ford arc.

Borsalino Vs Marco - itvwas obvious Borsalino couldn't do shit against Marco and it looked to me like Marco was winning. He was actually hitting Borsalino and getting himself healed as soon as he gets hurt.

Kuzan Vs Jozu - this was clear to see for all. Jozu made Kuzan bleed(I think) . So Jozu was winning until he got distracted.

This just shows that these guys can't only stand against an admiral but dish out punishment as well. Only Akainu was an exception.

Sabo Vs Fuji - Fuji never took this fight seriously and yet Sabo was struggling. He wasn't getting hurt but one can see that he couldn't touch Fuji or even push him back a little.

So my question is this: How strong did the admirals and Whitebeard commanders get Post TS. If Fuji is this strong,How strong will the rest of the gang be?

With current portrayal,Sabo can't beat Marco or Jozu since it's expected they have gotten stronger.

 

[A v i]

Marco and Vista couldn't injure Akainu whiles attacking together after he received a motivated quake punch from WB. END OF STORY. They did nothing so they shouldn't be above Sabo

It doesn't refute the fact that they held their own against admirals. Haki is manifestation of one's will and their will's were completely broken as they just witnessed deaths of Wb as well as Ace prior to attacking Akainu which would drastically decrease their attack power by a great margin which is why they failed to injure Akainu. Remember Jozu who was portrayed to be below Marco managed to wound Aokiji who was shown to be almost equal to Akainu with a surprise attack so it's extreamly unlikely to think Marco cannot do that.

 

[YellowFang]

Pre-Mera Sabo vs Ace - Tie or Sabo barely edge this one out
Sabo(Mera) vs Vista - Sabo very high diff this one out
Sabo(Mera) vs Jozu - Tie or Jozu extreme diff
Sabo(Mera) vs Marco - Marco high-very high difficulty

I find this post most reasonable... ^^^

 

[Zorø]

Marco will mid diff Sabo yhh I said it "mid diff"

 

[shon93]

It doesn't refute the fact that they held their own against admirals. Haki is manifestation of one's will and their will's were completely broken as they just witnessed deaths of Wb as well as Ace prior to attacking Akainu which would drastically decrease their attack power by a great margin which is why they failed to injure Akainu. Remember Jozu who was portrayed to be below Marco managed to wound Aokiji who was shown to be almost equal to Akainu with a surprise attack so it's extreamly unlikely to think Marco cannot do that.

That's bull Jozu snuck Aokijj and couldn't put him down but when Aokiji snuck Jozu the fight was over. Sabo should be given a break against Fuji because he just ate a new DF 20 minutes before fighting gravity

 

[Bogard]

That's bull Jozu snuck Aokijj and couldn't put him down but when Aokiji snuck Jozu the fight was over. Sabo should be given a break against Fuji because he just ate a new DF 20 minutes before fighting gravity

Kuzan's devil fruit ignores durability. Put any other admiral infront of a distracted Jozu in that instant, and he'd not have been taken out. Kizaru used lasers on Marco in the same action for example when he was distracted. Do you think it would have taken a greater tank like Jozu out? Obviously not. Put Marco or Sabo in Jozu's place however and we'd see if they'd come out of it. Well maybe Sabo can since he is a logia and a fire logia to boot, but not in base. You're comparing 2 different types of attacks and circumstances here

 

[A v i]

That's bull Jozu snuck Aokijj and couldn't put him down but when Aokiji snuck Jozu the fight was over. Sabo should be given a break against Fuji because he just ate a new DF 20 minutes before fighting gravity

I know they were surprise attacks. I was using Jozu's example to explain the difference b/w their attack power in normal condition and them when their wills were broken. Their attacks were dragged to a level where they couldn't even hurt Akainu despite being able to hit him with a surprise attack. Where as someone of same tier was able to inflect damage on Aokiji when he was fighting normally. Your state of mind plays a huge role during a battle. Lokk at Luffy, a dude who was shown to have endless will was unable to make a proper move when his will was broken when he witnessed his crew members getting beaten by Kuma.

Once again their performance against admirals was much better than what Sabo displayed against Fujitora.

 

[bajram]

Sabo (pre mera mera) Vs Ace - Sabo wins this mid-high diff.
Sabo (mera mera) Vs Vista - extreme diff either way but I'd somehow give the edge to Sabo due to portrayal as of now.
Sabo (mera mera) Vs Jozu - Jozu wins lower end of high diff
Sabo (mera mera) Vs Marco - Marco wins mid diff.