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[ssjelf]

But that rank itself has never been hyped like a Yonko status, so you can't compare them whatsoever.


I have never said that Akainu and Shanks clashing has little meaning. The fact that his sword was able to counteract the heat of the magma is a feat.

Luffy having a town sized attack doesn't mean that Luffy can clash with Whitebeard like Shanks did.

Shanks also has the hype of Teach, while strong enough to fight Sengoku and Garp and injure Sengoku, said he wasn't ready for Shanks, the same hype that Akainu got.


That's not what Luffy said.

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Luffy was able to send Fujitora flying backwards with Gear Second and Gear Third, a feat Sabo never demonstrated. Luffy was carried off because of a SCHEDULE, not because they thought he couldn't beat Fujitora.



You can't give a feat accomplished through the joint effort of the entire crew to Burgess. All you know is he more than likely played a role in defeating the remaining Whitebeard Pirates, but you have no idea how big a role he was able to play. You keep bringing up inconclusive "feats." Just because two people have the same rank of commander doesn't mean they're the same strength.
5. Sabo is a haki monster with a logia fruit. There is no evidence he wouldnt.

Well I dont know where my scan went but in the translation i read, that what he said.

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Yonko commander rank has been hyped to a large extent. Stop downplaying burgess lol

 

[OG sama]

Yes shading, that's why the bruise is there one panel and gone the next. Yes Fuji was caught off guard, the '!!!?' wasn't for decoration, while you can be caught off guard and still react to something. Yes it is a knock on Luffy, you're acting like he tanked an attack but he was just that damn durable when the attack had on effect on him. I read the fight you moron, Sabo and Fuji were 10-15M away from eachother at best you ****ing idiot, the power of Fuji's attack isn't dropping at that range, this is the same guy who's gravity can pull meteors from the atmosphere and you think 10-15M is making his attack weaker?

Fuji dropped meteors on Sabo off that bat and you're acting like he was casual, Fuji was prepared to seriously go after Luffy at one point but he had conflicting emotions stop that, don't go and baselessly say Mingo would stalemate Fuji the same way Sabo did. All you're spouting is dribble, Fuji would make everyone look on par with him? Because Zoro sure as hell didn't.

Cracker didn't beat Luffy exclusively due to Nami, Cracker is a coward but he would've won if him and Luffy fought one on one.

What happened to Cracker wit both his clowns is irrelevant but the BRUNT of Cracker's power comes from his DF.

Oda isn't consistent with scratches and bruises as shown numerous times in the manga. That's wasn't no ****ing shading either, but you clearly aren't objective you only see what you want. Your trying to tell me that that big ass black spot is shading despite the shading that's clearly on the face is completely different looking from it? If Oda is going to shade, he's going to shade most of the face. But you can clearly see that Fuji has a bruise or scratch on his cheek.

Its a knock on Luffy because he has blunt resistance? ***** get that weak ass argument out of here, you defend Cracker hiding behind his clones because its his DF, but yet you downplay Luffy because his DF grants blunt resistance? Your done. Your bias is showing.

I'm pretty sure the attack is still stronger the closer you are to it than when you are farther away from it. It may not drop significantly but it still drops, but that's not the point. Luffy literally took the full brunt of the attack but yet it doesn't matter? Your comparing Luffy getting knocked back in close range whilst also still being injured to Sabo being pushed back despite being several meters away? Your done.

***** what? You mean those same meteors that Doflamingo and even Law casually cut up with low end attacks? Are you trying to tell me that Luffy couldn't have destroyed those meteors? If so then I can't take this argument seriously.

He would win because of only the time limit which is my point.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well I dont know where my scan went but in the translation i read, that what he said.

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MangaPanda is a notoriously shitty translation

Yonko commander rank has been hyped to a large extent. Stop downplaying burgess lol

We've seen how people in the Yonko commander rank can have widely varying strength. From Jozu and Marco being able to clash with Admirals to one of their fellow commanders being tanked over by Akainu without much of a fight. You can't group them together just because they have the same title.

 

[OG sama]

Man Riker is the only man on this thread who gets my argument. Every one else treats me like a mad man or something just because my opinion is different from every one elses. I can assure you I'm not spouting BS because of fanboyism I'm literally reading over stuff and looking at the context of it all.

If people dont want to believe Luffys growth rate is monstrous then they're going to be looking real stupid an arc or two from now when Luffy and Marco are portrayed to at least be on the same level come Wano. I seriously doubt Oda is going to have Marco join the alliance and be stronger than Luffy. By the end of the arc Luffy would have defeat Kaido with some help obviously and maybe a commander or two. Marco is from the past, the defeat of Kaido will finally show the new generation is going to rise and take over.

Anyways this thread is way off topic so I'm done with this discussion.

 

[ssjelf]

MangaPanda is a notoriously shitty translation



We've seen how people in the Yonko commander rank can have widely varying strength. From Jozu and Marco being able to clash with Admirals to one of their fellow commanders being tanked over by Akainu without much of a fight. You can't group them together just because they have the same title.

It really isnt as bad as everyone says. *********** has made some really awful mistakes. Spelling is about the only issue with mangapanda. Viz is the best but as with all translations, things can be interpreted differently.

They dont vary widely enough for luffy to be struggling and needing nami to defeat cracker and still be able to beat burgess the way sabo did.

 

[OG sama]

It really isnt as bad as everyone says. *********** has made some really awful mistakes. Spelling is about the only issue with mangapanda. Viz is the best but as with all translations, things can be interpreted differently.

They dont vary widely enough for luffy to be struggling and needing nami to defeat cracker and still be able to beat burgess the way sabo did.

Dude what are you even arguing? Burgess > Luffy? What has Burgess done to suggest he's stronger than Luffy? Getting fodderised by Sabo means Burgess is stronger than Luffy?

So I guess anyone with the guts to fight Sabo is stronger than Luffy by default.

I know I said I was done but it just sounds like your overrating and overestimating Burgess because he's a yonko commander. Its comments like these that make me give guys like Marco and Sabo such a hard time in this section. People just overrate yonko commanders.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It really isnt as bad as everyone says. *********** has made some really awful mistakes. Spelling is about the only issue with mangapanda. Viz is the best but as with all translations, things can be interpreted differently.

They dont vary widely enough for luffy to be struggling and needing nami to defeat cracker and still be able to beat burgess the way sabo did.

Yes, they do. If the commanders of one ship can go from matching him to being fodderized by him, then they differ enough that you can't group them together. Do you see Luffy and Nami defeating Akainu if they double teamed against him? Come on now.

 

[ssjelf]

Dude what are you even arguing? Burgess > Luffy? What has Burgess done to suggest he's stronger than Luffy? Getting fodderised by Sabo means Burgess is stronger than Luffy?

So I guess anyone with the guts to fight Sabo is stronger than Luffy by default.

I know I said I was done but it just sounds like your overrating and overestimating Burgess because he's a yonko commander. Its comments like these that make me give guys like Marco and Sabo such a hard time in this section. People just overrate yonko commanders.

Yes, they do. If the commanders of one ship can go from matching him to being fodderized by him, then they differ enough that you can't group them together. Do you see Luffy and Nami defeating Akainu if they double teamed against him? Come on now.

You both miseed my point. I am not saying luffy cant beat burgess. But I dont think he negs him like sabo could.

And no riker, they dont vary that much. Akainu beat all the WB commanders... thats how he got past them. only one happened to be caught by his fist. You are also forgetting how long of a battle that was. Tired opponents wont match well against akainu who has proven to be a stamina beast.

 

[OG sama]

You both miseed my point. I am not saying luffy cant beat burgess. But I dont think he negs him like sabo could.

And no riker, they dont vary that much. Akainu beat all the WB commanders... thats how he got past them. only one happened to be caught by his fist. You are also forgetting how long of a battle that was. Tired opponents wont match well against akainu who has proven to be a stamina beast.

Oh I see, idk Burgess strength is a mystery but if Luffy uses G4 then Burgess probably would get negged as I dont think Sabo has demonstrated any move that's stronger than G4s.

I think they vary in strength not all commanders are on the same level.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You both miseed my point. I am not saying luffy cant beat burgess. But I dont think he negs him like sabo could.

And no riker, they dont vary that much. Akainu beat all the WB commanders... thats how he got past them. only one happened to be caught by his fist. You are also forgetting how long of a battle that was. Tired opponents wont match well against akainu who has proven to be a stamina beast.

lol that's not true. One of WB's commanders was able to stalemate with Aokiji until Aokiji found a way to cheapshot him, with the latter being someone on Akainu's level.

Marco was able to staalemate Akainu the very same way. The dude with the big chin just ended up getting rolled over.

You're bugging if you think every Commander is the same.

Idk why you insist on comparing how Luffy fought Cracker to Sabo fighting Burgess when they both fought Fujitora and Luffy looked better.

 

[ssjelf]

lol that's not true. One of WB's commanders was able to stalemate with Aokiji until Aokiji found a way to cheapshot him, with the latter being someone on Akainu's level.

Marco was able to staalemate Akainu the very same way. The dude with the big chin just ended up getting rolled over.

You're bugging if you think every Commander is the same.

Idk why you insist on comparing how Luffy fought Cracker to Sabo fighting Burgess when they both fought Fujitora and Luffy looked better.

Lol thats complete nonsense

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol thats complete nonsense

Sabo didn't do anything to Fujitora.

Luffy was able to push Fujitora back using his mid-tier arsenal while injured and bruise him.

 

[ToshiZO]

Man Riker is the only man on this thread who gets my argument. Every one else treats me like a mad man or something just because my opinion is different from every one elses. I can assure you I'm not spouting BS because of fanboyism I'm literally reading over stuff and looking at the context of it all.

If people dont want to believe Luffys growth rate is monstrous then they're going to be looking real stupid an arc or two from now when Luffy and Marco are portrayed to at least be on the same level come Wano. I seriously doubt Oda is going to have Marco join the alliance and be stronger than Luffy. By the end of the arc Luffy would have defeat Kaido with some help obviously and maybe a commander or two. Marco is from the past, the defeat of Kaido will finally show the new generation is going to rise and take over.

Anyways this thread is way off topic so I'm done with this discussion.

You didn't have a response to my post but type this out lol?

Funny cause Riker would most likely disagree with your "analysis" of Cracker vs Luffy.

 

[Skull Knight]

The point was that no one questions shanks strength due to his position as yonko (Those two scans are very minimal evidence of his strength).

Thats not correct.
Shanks already showed his
-Conqueror Haki(when he was in WB ship) as well as Armament Haki(when he stopped Akainu's Lava Punch) skill.
-By splitting the cloud/heaven shows his sowrdsmanship which is easily on Mihawk's lvl.

He has already clashed with
-World Strongest Man
-World Strongest Creature
-World Greatest Swordsman
and even stopped a f***in war where WB troops were about to die any moment.

His hype is no doubt greater than Rev No.2's hype.

Yet people are sitting here doubting sabos strength with his position as chief of staff of the revolutionary army. And he had better showing against fujitora and against a yonko commander.

Thats not correct again. We have no idea how strong Burgess was? and I doubt he is Marco or Jack level fighter.
Yes he did stopped Fujitora for sometime but none of his attacks did any harm to him.

There is an extreme amount of illogic happening in this thread to justify G4 being > Sabo despite its huge time limit weakness. Luffy might stand above sabo once that issue is handled, but for now, G4 is to risky to win without backup for when the time limit fails. Both times luffy has used it he ended up needing someone to help him.

I wont comment on G4>Sabo because I have no idea what Sabo can do?
At this stage when One Piece is like 70percent finish anything can happen.
Another powerup and Luffy might have a good chance to beat a Yonko with little to no help.

 

[OG sama]

You didn't have a response to my post but type this out lol?

Funny cause Riker would most likely disagree with your "analysis" of Cracker vs Luffy.

I didn't forget about your post, I just got tired of arguing. I'm not concerned if he disagrees.

I think that whole Cracker fight was done so Luffys stamina and time limit in G4 and maybe Haki would get dramatically better. I don't see the point in having Luffy and Cracker fight for 11 hours straight if it wasn't going to make him stronger, he was pretty much training. Once Luffy gets healed and fed I feel like were going to see a Luffy that's strong enough to beat the Sweet commanders all on his own.

This Luffy downplay that's going on won't last long I can feel it.

 

[ToshiZO]

I didn't forget about your post, I just got tired of arguing. I'm not concerned if he disagrees.

I think that whole Cracker fight was done so Luffys stamina and time limit in G4 and maybe Haki would get dramatically better. I don't see the point in having Luffy and Cracker fight for 11 hours straight if it wasn't going to make him stronger, he was pretty much training. Once Luffy gets healed and fed I feel like were going to see a Luffy that's strong enough to beat the Sweet commanders all on his own.

This Luffy downplay that's going on won't last long I can feel it.

It's not that you got tired, it's that what more could you have said there I simply gave you the panels to read and at that point you'd just be denying panels.

Idc why the Cracker fight was done.

Calling the fight like it went is Luffy downplay or is it simply a couple notches down from Luffy wanking?

Sure call it training idc hopefully Luffy improved actually better he improve from fighting guys like that then asspulls.

 

[Dannie]

Gotta love how people who swallow Luffy 24/7 want to call it "Luffy downplaying."

 

[LBeezy]

Gotta love how the immature Luffy haters say people are "swallowing" or "riding" Luffy whenever they disagree.. lol grow up

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gotta love how the immature Luffy haters say people are "swallowing" or "riding" Luffy whenever they disagree.. lol grow up

Holy shit the irony

 

[LBeezy]

Holy shit the irony

Gotta love that..