[VS] Sabo vs rob lucci cp0
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Lack of feats from shanks and lack of feats from sabo. Just ask the same question Riker asked but apply it to shanks instead of sabo and see if there is any evidence of shanks beating an opponent G4 luffy cant.
If you are asking about my second sentence , well look at sabos matchup with fujitora and he did well. Luffy got beat pretty swiftly. Just portrayal there on where luffy stood in regards to fuji imo.
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Sounds like you don't know what the hell you're talking about and need to actually re read DR. Luffy was still injured in his fight with Fujitora but was still able to bruise him despite Fuji blocking the attack. Luffy did that with a freaking Elephant gun, no G4, no Grizzly Magnum but a basic G3 attack. And Fuji BLOCKED THE ATTACK, but was still bruised and knocked back against it. He also took a point blank ferocious tiger with no damage despite the attack clearly destroying whatever was behind him. He did all that whilst still being INJURED from his fight with Mingo.
Sabo hasn't displayed a single thing suggesting he's stronger than Luffy, and the only reason people think he's stronger is because he's Dragons Right hand, which does not mean he's stronger at all really. And why should he be stronger? If were using the logic that if Dragons Right hand man isn't stronger than Luffy then the revos are weak, I could use the same logic for Luffy whos going to be the future PK.
The reality is that neither one of these guys are where they need to be at right now, the revos ain't ready to overthrow the WG and Luffy ain't ready to be PK yet.
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I'm aware that portrayal can substitute feats. I'm asking WHAT shows that, whether it be portrayal or feats. What are you specific examples?
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I think you need to relax a bit man.
Anyways portrayal puts Sabo above Luffy. Luffy had 3 days to recover from his injuries and managed to scratch fujitora but was pretty much beat by the raging tiger. Sabo can't even be hit by that attack. Sabo had a much longer fight with fuji to which ended in a stalemate. Luffy had to be carried off because his friends knew he would lose. Also we don't know burgesses strength, but Buurgess is a yonko commander and to be able to beat a yonko commander as easily as sabo did is very telling imo. And in my view says more about sabo's strength than burgesses weakness.
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LMAOOO WHAT? Luffy wasn't hurt in the slightest by Raging Tiger, you call that being defeated? Luffy is immune to brute force, so a wave of pure brute force would affect him just as much as it would a Logia like Sabo.
Nope. Luffy's friends carried him off because they were strapped for time.
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Not once did they express concern over Luffy winning or losing, they only cared about the fact that they simply didn't have time(Note that Barto stops Zoro and specifically says they have a schedule. When he yells at Luffy, he says he can't start a serious fight at a time like this.
Sabo fought Fujitora longer only because Sabo didn't have a schedule to keep.
We have no idea how Luffy would fair against Burgess or how Burgess would fair against Cracker, so the "Yonko commander" thing isn't an argument anyone can go by.
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Nope I'm just stating facts, I am relaxed.
Luffy wasn't recovered completely from his injuries and any one with eyes can see that. The raging tiger did nothing except blow him away, Luffy took a point blank attack from it whereas Sabo was nowhere close to the attack but yet was still nearly knocked on his ass. Luffy blocked that shit from close range with a damn G3 hand, wasn't hurt or any thing just blown away. If Sabo took that from close range he would have ended up the same way. Of course he would have lost, he was still injured and would have lost regardless , but Sabo would have too, but Fuji never took any one of them 100% serious so I dont even know what your proving with that. Burgess is garbage, he's definitely got to be one of BBs weakest commanders for sure, just because he's a Yonko commander doesn't mean that he is stronger than anyone, there levels to that.
What portrayal or standing do you speak of? Because from what I can see from the manga there ain't shit suggesting he's stronger.
He's Dragons right hand man so he's automatically stronger? Hell no.
People want Sabo to be stronger because they THINK the revos are ready right now to overthrow the WG but they're not. Neither Luffy nor Sabo are ready to accomplish their goals yet, that's the reality of this whole thing.
Yes being Dragon's right hand alone is a big deal. It's like saying Beckman being Shanks right hand isn't a big deal. From all of the people in the massive organization like that, for Sabo to be the right hand of a Yonkou level man (Dragon recieves that kind of portrayal) is already a tall task for Luffy to overcome considering he was just shown getting shit on by a Yonkou's 3rd strongest.
Not only that, Sabo is like a what if scenario for if Ace didn't die at the war, Ace as it is, is already around Luffy's level. Give him two extra years and there is no doubt Ace would outclass Luffy.
Sabo was near equals with Ace as a child, Oda loves keeping those things consistent, but the biggest indicator is the fact that Sabo got Ace's fruit.
Sabo is literally the embodiment of a living Ace.
Last but not least he was clashing with a Marine Admiral, and had a better showing than Luffy did. Another portrayal point.
With all that said, yes there are plenty of things pointing at Sabo > Luffy, not the other way around.
OT: Sabo should be superior to Lucci.
About Luffy: As a child, Sabo was portrayed to have as much potential as Ace, who was a potential pirate king cadidate. That means that his potential is just as much as Luffy's, being older with nearly equal potential would put him at an advantage by default. He was far superior to Luffy as a child. Been training under a top tier for years. Recently gained an overwhelming power up via MMnM. Could actually clash and survive in a fight against a marine admiral. Meanwhile, Luffy couldn't even scratch a top-4 in a Yonko crew for a half a day with all possible advantages in the book. There isn't a single area where Luffy looks better than Sabo as far as it concers portrayal.
You make it seem like theres some big gap between Luffy and Sabo when it clearly isn't, his feats don't show it and the manga doesn't support it. Sabo being stronger than Luffy while they were kids holds no weight now.
Sabo ain't no where near Admiral level and Beckman is featless. Luffy while in G4 I could argue has Yonko FM level power while its active, only thing stopping him from soundly beating Doffy or Cracker was in fact the time limit. Oda had to put a big ass Time limit on it for a reason.
And you can't be taken serious at all if you say Cracker shitted on Luffy that's BS, Cracker had to hide behind a shit ton of clones just so he wouldn't get his ass curb stomped by Luffy, hell the mf got one shotted in the end. Once again, Oda put that time limit on this form for a reason. This was BM 3rd most powerful commander, showing that G4s attack power is too much for even a third strongest Yonko commander.
Sabo was the stronger one when they were kids that's it, with the logic your using Luffy will never surpass Sabo but we all know that's BS. Luffys growth rate is immense, the guy is going to be battling and most likely defeating guys Yonko Top commanders either this arc or next, that's not far or much beyond where Sabo is right now.
He also didn't have a better showing than Luffy did, you need to look at my other posts where I broke down how the fight played out.
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But...you brought up feats lmfaooo
I asked what portrayal, and you bring up being unaffected by Raging Tiger, by fighting Fujitora longer, and because he fought a commander. I replied addressing these points. The **** you on?
Saying Sabo is nowhere near Admiral is just flat out wrong, sure Fujitora wasn't going all out but he wasn't treating Sabo like damn fodder. While Luffy is not Yonko FM level, he may be nearing it but at best he's giving a good fight to cats like Vista.
Crying about Cracker hiding behind clones is pointless because that's his figthing style, saying he hid behind his clones made by his own ability shouldn't be a reason to downplay him.
Luffy couldn't beat Cracker by himself this arc so what makes you think he's beating someone stronger than him this arc? Sabo for sure had a better showing than Luffy.