[VS] Sabo vs Kuma

[keshav31]

TBH, I would be more inclined to say Kuma wins. The stronger combatant isn't always the one that wins. Hax can work just as good as pure, brute power.

Or you could be so fast, Kuma doesn't get the chance of stopping you. And I don't see Sabo as being that fast.

Pacifista are copy of kuma without DF which luffy defeat with just one punch.So if kuma doesn't has haki he has no chance of wining against sabo who is stronger than luffy.Also sabo know all about kuma as Kuma is also from revolutionary or has ties with them.

 

[Hexuze]

Kuma mid-high diff IMO.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Kuma mid-high diff IMO.

That Kuma wank.

 

[MickNerks]

I have to go with Kuma the Tyrant on this one.

Im curious if it will be revealed that kuma was the original chief of staff before he went mindless, and sabo just replaced him. With the hax ability kuma has I would be suprised if he was the original chief of staff.

 

[IminLovewithMAryj]

Kuma mid-high diff.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Pacifista are copy of kuma without DF which luffy defeat with just one punch.So if kuma doesn't has haki he has no chance of wining against sabo who is stronger than luffy.Also sabo know all about kuma as Kuma is also from revolutionary or has ties with them.

Kuma sent a Pacifista flying with one blow. And Sabo may know about Kuma, but that doesn't mean he'll win. Kuma doesn't need Haki when you have the ability to send anything flying while nullifying the effects it has.

I dont like your logic yoru basically saying if you can deflect Nami's thunderbolt you should be able to deflect Enels thunerbolt. Bro their are levels to this shit. Why couldn't he deflect Iva's hell wink. Granted he wasnt completely himself but the reason was clear. The attacks came it flurries from a bunch of different angles. All I'm saying is Sabo shoul be able to recreate that with his Mera Mera

Also I never said Kuma can't deflect fire. He can do it but impact isnt going to be the same. When logias get hit they tranform into there mode to lessen the impact right? Kuma wouldnt just have his way with Sabo. I feel like close range fighters stand a better chance against Kuma because they put immeiate pressure on his. If u sit back an launch long range attacks against Kuma he can block them

But if Sabo gets inside using his close range skills he can use the Mera Mera at point black range like he easily prove he could do this chapter casually

Oh and loll I didnt mean anything but your pic when u see someone rockin the same pic of a charcter for so long its weird when u see another one. Just the wrong threa too ask that

I couldn't care less how you feel about the logic. It's not mine, it's Oda's. Was I the one who showed Kuma with the ability to deflect non-tangible/solid things? No, it was Oda. Was I the one who showed Kuma able to nullify the effects of what touched his paws? No, that was Oda.

Impact doesn't matter. Kuma repelled things with no tangible form, he was able to repel the air. Striking fire would create the same impact as striking air, so repelling Sabo's Logia form would be no issue. Maybe if Sabo disperses into fire and moves around his hand, that could work, but if Kuma makes contact with Sabo even once, Sabo is gone.

Who says he couldn't deflect the Hell Wink? That was Kuma with the mind of a Pacifista, Kuma with his own mind would have handled it a different way because the minds are different.

Close ranged fighters are horrible against Kuma. Unless your significantly faster than him, he's gonna send you flying the second you get close, and Sabo hasn't shown that speed.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I don't get why people think Kuma after his surgery is weaker than he was before the surgery. Why would the WG weaken the guy they think is their most loyal Shichibukai?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't get why people think Kuma after his surgery is weaker than he was before the surgery. Why would the WG weaken the guy they think is their most loyal Shichibukai?

They think he's stupid now because you know, those computers, so stupid and slow in processing.

 

[shon93]

Kuma sent a Pacifista flying with one blow. And Sabo may know about Kuma, but that doesn't mean he'll win. Kuma doesn't need Haki when you have the ability to send anything flying while nullifying the effects it has.

I couldn't care less how you feel about the logic. It's not mine, it's Oda's. Was I the one who showed Kuma with the ability to deflect non-tangible/solid things? No, it was Oda. Was I the one who showed Kuma able to nullify the effects of what touched his paws? No, that was Oda.

Impact doesn't matter. Kuma repelled things with no tangible form, he was able to repel the air. Striking fire would create the same impact as striking air, so repelling Sabo's Logia form would be no issue. Maybe if Sabo disperses into fire and moves around his hand, that could work, but if Kuma makes contact with Sabo even once, Sabo is gone.

Who says he couldn't deflect the Hell Wink? That was Kuma with the mind of a Pacifista, Kuma with his own mind would have handled it a different way because the minds are different.

Close ranged fighters are horrible against Kuma. Unless your significantly faster than him, he's gonna send you flying the second you get close, and Sabo hasn't shown that speed.

Again I never said Kuma can't hit Sabo. Let me draw up a scerio for for you

Scenrio: Kuma paws hit Sabo. Sabo is sent flying back. Before hitting a building or the ground he disperses into fire to lessen the damage. I remember him fighting Zoro and Zoro was mostly being hurt by being pushed back into buildings

And that Pacisfista shit is a poor argument. This dude was compressing air and using Ursus Shock on MF. Ivankov proved he could be hit. Iva hell winked from every direction and he couldn't block shit

I see Sabo fighting Kuma on the inside with his Martial Arts and hitting him with close range Mera Mera attacks that he can't block ..like he did with Burgess

 

[Punk Hazard]

Again I never said Kuma can't hit Sabo. Let me draw up a scerio for for you

Scenrio: Kuma paws hit Sabo. Sabo is sent flying back. Before hitting a building or the ground he disperses into fire to lessen the damage. I remember him fighting Zoro and Zoro was mostly being hurt by being pushed back into buildings

And that Pacisfista shit is a poor argument. This dude was compressing air and using Ursus Shock on MF. Ivankov proved he could be hit. Iva hell winked from every direction and he couldn't block shit

I see Sabo fighting Kuma on the inside with his Martial Arts and hitting him with close range Mera Mera attacks that he can't block ..like he did with Burgess

That's assuming Kuma sends Sabo flying into a building instead of sending him flying into an ocean halfway across the world after a 3 day long trip through the sky.

Prior to MF, Kuma wasn't letting anything hit him whatsoever. Other than Zoro's Lion's Song, Kuma wasn't tanking stuff, he was repelling everything, even attacks we know wouldn't phase him Zoro's flying slash and Usopp's attacks. The fact that PX-0 was just letting whatever hit him shows a stark contrast between it and Kuma.

 

[shon93]

That's assuming Kuma sends Sabo flying into a building instead of sending him flying into an ocean halfway across the world after a 3 day long trip through the sky.

Prior to MF, Kuma wasn't letting anything hit him whatsoever. Other than Zoro's Lion's Song, Kuma wasn't tanking stuff, he was repelling everything, even attacks we know wouldn't phase him Zoro's flying slash and Usopp's attacks. The fact that PX-0 was just letting whatever hit him shows a stark contrast between it and Kuma.

You comparing PreTimeskip Zoro to Post Timeskip Sabo bro. We saw Kuma can be hit by people on his level. And I don't think Kuma can send people on his level or close flying off the island unless they are distracted.

But that's just my opinion I love Kuma and everything RA

 

[Punk Hazard]

You comparing PreTimeskip Zoro to Post Timeskip Sabo bro. We saw Kuma can be hit by people on his level. And I don't think Kuma can send people on his level or close flying off the island unless they are distracted.

But that's just my opinion I love Kuma and everything RA

Nothing supports that. There is more evidence that Kuma operates differently from PX-0, which should be a no brainer. I'm at fault for comparing pre-skip Zoro to post-skip Sabo(which is a valid comparison, no one is comparing power, but the evidence that is gained from him deflecting the flying slash), but you're not for giving Kuma the faults of PX-0? Sure.

 

[shon93]

Nothing supports that. There is more evidence that Kuma operates differently from PX-0, which should be a no brainer. I'm at fault for comparing pre-skip Zoro to post-skip Sabo(which is a valid comparison, no one is comparing power, but the evidence that is gained from him deflecting the flying slash), but you're not for giving Kuma the faults of PX-0? Sure.

Okay let's say your right because what your are saying is fair he was a robot. But u still can't skim past the fact the we never saw Kuma with a brain battle high level people

 

[Punk Hazard]

Okay let's say your right because what your are saying is fair he was a robot. But u still can't skim past the fact the we never saw Kuma with a brain battle high level people

Who cares, still doesn't prove he can't send Sabo into the ocean 5000 miles away.

 

[shon93]

Who cares, still doesn't prove he can't send Sabo into the ocean 5000 miles away.

He has to prove he can atleast Sabo proved he can go up against high level opponents. Kuma feats are separating a bunch of kids

 

[Punk Hazard]

He has to prove he can atleast Sabo proved he can go up against high level opponents. Kuma feats are separating a bunch of kids

He's proven that there's no characteristic about Sabo that makes him unable to be deflected.

 

[shon93]

He's proven that there's no characteristic about Sabo that makes him unable to be deflected.

Loll this funny your saying number 2 in the RA is getting deflected off the island not air cannons but defected off the island. Even if he is not the 1st number 2 ..he is on Kumas level

 

[Punk Hazard]

Loll this funny your saying number 2 in the RA is getting deflected off the island not air cannons but defected off the island. Even if he is not the 1st number 2 ..he is on Kumas level

*sigh* Whatever.