Uzumaki Macho
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Only because Aokiji was fighting WB and got ambushed by Jozu. If Sabo got a surprise attack on Fujitora Im sure he would make Fuji bleed a little or suffer burn injuries.
[Discussion] Sabo vs Jozu
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Is there a problem? I see nothing contradictory in the two. If you are disagreeing with my opinion, then do give reasons as to why Sabo could manage to breach a Haki infused diamond armour. And Jozu did well against Akoji till he got caught off guard, Fujitora hasn't even tried and look at Sabo's current state.
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That's true, but he isn't standing in a vulnerable diamond form while Sabo is running a 100 meters away, so I fail to see your point.
Apart from the flames, how exactly does Sabo damage him? His dragon claw haki, which can now damage haki infused diamond merely because it "crushes skulls like they were eggs?" No no, I don't make hype into a hyperbolised feat. Fact is, Jozu can damage Sabo easily with his insane strength. Sabo, on the other hand, has claws that are in fact weaker than Mihawk's shockwave (that was stopped by Jozu with no damage). He has his Logia which can be countered by Jozu's Haki. Either way, he's always vulnerable. I would say mid diff, but I don't want the hype jerk circle to start ignoring my post because they are deluded by the prevailing hype.
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Shanks has feats while dragon does not....talk to me when dragon stops a war
Stop being ridiculous. Oda has confirmed that Lord Shanks' hype is real whereas the Dragon hype= fans make up bs in order to help them sleep at night. Its all speculation and fanboyism.
For all we know, Dragon could be weaker then a Yonko yet some people put him at PK level. Dragon's apparent "strength" has no basis. Unless i've missed a chapter where he jumps into NV and solos Lord Madara Uchiha that is...because in OPverse, he hasn't done shit.
Hell, he could be weaker then Akainu for all we know.
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Then why do people say Shanks is the strongest yonkou even though we haven't seen Kaido, BM, or Post TS BBs strength? It was never confirmed by Oda that Shanks is the strongest yonkou. Its pretty obvious that Dragon is at least yonkou level.
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Any yonkou could have done that, the Marines had just faced WB and they didn't want to fight another yonkou because it would give them a lot more casualties. Replace him with Kaido or BM and it would have been the same result.
It scared everyone at Marineford. Sengoku called Luffy a threat because of this as well. Smoker was scared shitless. Sabo is the second strongest there and is seemingly nigh-admiral level. Dragon not only being the strongest, but also the founder and possessing much more experience makes him leagues above Sabo. One could say he can easily combat an admiral with those statements alone, but then again, you seem like a feats kind of guy, which isn't exactly how OP discussions tend to be. Hype and feats are taken into account since it is rather reliable, and since hyperbolies come once a decade. Anyways, do you truly believe he can overthrow the world government if he, the strongest one of all the Revolutionaries, couldn't beat a single Yonko? Seems like flawed logic to me.. But whatever floats your boat.
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Sorry oda but unless I see it happening I won't believe it also marines weren't the only people to back down....Blackbeard did aswell not to mention he somehow got past kaido in two days
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All the yonkou are pretty close in strength, I see no reason why the Marines would be unwilling to fight Shanks, but be willing to fight Kaido or BM if they came to stop the war. BB was only admiral level at MF he knew that if he tried to fight Shanks it wouldnt end well for him.
What makes it obvious that Dragon is Yonko level? Shanks has hype, portayal and feats that actually support the hype he's getting from fans whereas Dragon hasn't done anything.
Shanks' hype, portrayal and feats>Dragon's...
Shanks is a Yonko, he's the end goal of the MC, he stopped the war of the best with words, he challenged everyone and no one stepped up to fight him, BB was quick to attack WB yet when Shanks showed up he chickened out. Shanks clashed with WB and the clash split the sky, he rivaled Mihawk who is known as the Worlds Greatest Swordsman...
All the things i just said trumps everything that Dragon has. Dragon being the "strongest" is simply a genjutsu...and not a strong one either, more like a 2 tomoe one. The wankers make it seem like Jesus came down and said "Dragon solos all with no exception"
Most of the arguments you provided can be countered by saying that Dragon directly opposes the WG and has a bunch of people behind him which is why Luffy was considered a threat etc (also read my reply to Macho). Im not saying that Dragon isn't strong, im just saying that he isn't as strong as people hype him up to be. I've heard shit like PK level. Btw Smoker wasn't scared shitless when he saw Dragon. Hell, he was more shocked when he saw Ace.
Dragon could be the strongest...but then again he could be admiral level...but he could be the strongest...Keyword being: could. Theres nothing that proves him being superior to Shanks, being the strongest etc. As far as we know, he could lose to any Yonko.
So the imaginary strength that Dragon has is invalid. Nothing suggests he's as strong as people hype him up to be.
I find it funny how eager Akainu was to fight WB and kill Dragon's son yet when Shanks stood in front of him Akainu froze up. For a moment i thought he had turned into Aokiji. Yet Dragon is>>>>>all?
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Most of this argument revolves around who is more famous than who which is good for nothing when talking about strength. Unlike Shanks,Dragon directly opposes world Gov so it's only logical for him to be more famous and well known when compared Shanks.And that's the reason why Akainu hates him more than anyone else as there is no one that opposes WG like Dragon so it has nothing to do with Dragon being stronger than Shanks. Aside from the hype that was created by fans like us(even I believe that he's stronger) there is nothing that suggests that he's stronger.
About that Iva's statement: I don't think I need to give any explanation about as we have already seen what happened after the arrival of Shanks at MF. WG won't go against WB and Dragon at the same time as going against Dragon is pretty much equal to going against a yonko. SSo war against those two is equal to war against 2 yonko which is foolish. Any combination of yonko would have the same impact.
Regardless, We don't have to discuss about this as both of us agree with Dragon being stronger than Shanks.
This is totally baseless but it makes sense and I can see where you are coming from but I believe that Shansk is stronger than BB though.
It is clear as day from what happened when Kaido tried to attack WB that Shanks is above Kaido. Kaido tried to kill WB which means that he has a fleet with him as he was ready to face WB's fleet yet Shanks with single battle ship managed to stop him which explains the difference in their strength.
Given the condition of Shanks crew members they obviously didn't fought with each other and Shanks must have offered something to Kaido to quit his objective but Kaido gains more than anything Shanks can offer by killing WB yet he choose to accept the offer of Shanks which proves that Kaido was forces to take his offer coz he know that it's would be a pain in the ass to went against Shanks. Remember than Shanks has single battle ship where as Kaido has a fleet with him as he was about to face WB's fleet.
I have never seen this kind of portrayal being used in OP. Roger is stronger than anyone in MF which includes their FA and WB was stronger than Sengoku so same goes for current FA as well.
See,going by this logic Shanks is an admiral level fighter which makes no sense at all. If u believe that Shanks is at admiral level then do
u really think someone with admiral level fighting skill and a single battle ship can make all those people at MF shit their pants?
Remember Akainus condition when he went after Luffy. He choose to fight all WB commanders to reach Luffy which is as good as suicide which proves that he didn't even cared about his own life to kills Luffy.He choose to kill coby in front of all marines. He sooo mad about killing Luffy yet he couldn't even lift a finger when Shanks was in his way which just shows the difference in their strength.
Don't try to say silly things like he's not stupid enough to fight another Yonko as he was in no condition to care about that kind of stuff back then.
Roger acknowledged him and entrusted his hat with Shanks. He saw something in Shanks and knows that he has great potential which is why he entrusted his SH with Shanks. Remember Rayleigh's words about Luffy when he was about to set sail to NW. " He's worthy of wearing that hat" and at auction " that ST suits a fearless man like yourself" we shouldn't over look them and the SH isn't just for style. Shanks is the only one worthy of wearing that hat besides of Luffy and Roger. He's like parallel of Luffy and Roger during his time. We shouldn't over look this SH portrayal.
It's true, though I never said with certainty that Dragon>every Yonko, and doubt he can defeat BB. I am simply saying it is reasonable to believe the person who wants to oppose 3 admiral (and Garp), a fleet admiral, Sengoku, all the Shichibukai, along with the Yonko's, should be quite strong. If Sabo is nearly admiral level and is that young, than I'd say Dragon is Shanks level at the very least. But then again, that is just my way of power scaling when taking everything into account. There's no right or wrong.
I am pretty sure Dragon can stop the war just like Shanks.
With a fleet like WB? may be they can stop the war.But with single battle ship like Shanks? I doubt it.
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