[VS] Sabo VS Jack

[Rikudou Tobi]

Burgess is not BB's first mate.

Yes he is. Look at his title.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Yes he is. Look at his title.

He's the first division commander, not the first mate. It should be very obvious that Burgess isn't the FM since he lost to Sabo low diff.

 

[Kamui Sama]

thats ur opinion but your opinion is stupid... Sabo > jack>fuji

you forgot sabo has now mera mera no mi + bonus he was even without the fruit hardcore and now hes BEASTMODE# deal with .

Sabo and Jack > Fuji? lolwut

Fujitora wasn't even going serious against Sabo for the majority of their fight and at the end of it, Sabo was tired and scratched and Fuji seemed fine

The only reason why I'm not entirely sure is because the firstmate of a pirate ship is suppose to help you gauge the level of the captain. Sabo could possibly stronger than Jack, he's under the most dangerous man in the entire world and he already beat the firstmate of BB anyways.

I feel sorry for BB and Kaidou's firstmate. Hahaha

Shiryu is portrayed to be stronger though so you can't use Burgess to gauge BB

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He's the first division commander, not the first mate. It should be very obvious that Burgess isn't the FM since he lost to Sabo low diff.

That's the most subjective retort i've ever read on why Burgess is shouldn't be firstmate his captain. Nothing you stated there had anything to do with the manga, especially when Sabo is chief of staff of the whole revolutionary army because much is to be expected.
Burguess is first division commander like every other firstmate on a yonkou ship. No one else that was shown has a higher position then that.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That's the most subjective retort i've ever read on why Burgess is shouldn't be firstmate his captain. Nothing you stated there had anything to do with the manga, especially when Sabo is chief of staff of the whole revolutionary army because much is to be expected.
Burguess is first division commander like every other firstmate on a yonkou ship. No one else that was shown has a higher position then that.

Do you seriously think that a Yonko FM would get low diffed by someone who is Yonko FM level?

 

[Skull Knight]

That's the most subjective retort i've ever read on why Burgess is shouldn't be firstmate his captain. Nothing you stated there had anything to do with the manga, especially when Sabo is chief of staff of the whole revolutionary army because much is to be expected.
Burguess is first division commander like every other firstmate on a yonkou ship. No one else that was shown has a higher position then that.

I think Aokiji is BB's FM

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Do you seriously think that a Yonko FM would get low diffed by someone who is Yonko FM level?

Do you seriously think that anyone else in BB's crew can do better?
Again you're lacking anything factual here, you're just going off on strong opinions.

I think Aokiji is BB's FM

Didn't he just join?

Shiryu is portrayed to be stronger though so you can't use Burgess to gauge BB

Second division captain Shiryuu was never portrayed to be stronger than First division captain Burguess. Unless you have some kind of manga proof?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Do you seriously think that anyone else in BB's crew can do better?

Shiryuu could since he is the actual second strongest a BB Pirate because he was portrayed as the Zoro of the BB Pirates.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Shiryuu could since he is the actual second strongest a BB Pirate because he was portrayed as the Zoro of the BB Pirates.

No he wasn't. In fact, that's just your speculation.
And Zoro has nothing to do with it, especially when Sanji has no one in BB's group that is a foot fighter like him.
Burguess>>>Shriyuu. He's shown nothing so far and Jesus is the only on BB's crew to show Armament Haki.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

No he wasn't. In fact, that's just your speculation.
And Zoro has nothing to do with it, especially when Sanji has no one in BB's group that is a foot fighter.
Burguess>>>Shriyuu. He's shown nothing so far and Jesus is the only on BB's crew to show Armament Haki.

Shiryuu was said to be as strong as Magellan and Magellan negged BB's whole crew and chances are very high he would still whopp Burgess even now.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Shiryuu was said to be as strong as Magellan and Magellan negged BB's whole crew and chances are very high he would still whopp Burgess even now.

So by that logic now Shiryuu is now stronger than Blackbeard the captain right?
That's not a valid reasoning here, BB and his crew did nothing to retaliate against Magellan so you can't compare them to Magellan either. Jesus most likely whoops Shiryuu then and now, he wouldn't be 1st division captain if he wasn't stronger.

 

[Kαmi]

I lean towards Jack but only slightly. I feel like these two hype is about the same, we got the young number 2 of the Rev army who just got a powerful fruit he is inexperienced with and probably has a tenacity much like Luffy's. Then we got a billion bounty (enough hype right here already) man who brings destruction and is experienced with his ancient Zoan fruit. Jack probably didn't go all out on the Minks but they did say they were getting the upper hand in battle.

Sabo vs Jack would make a good fight. I doubt Jack is the FM of Kaidou, otherwise I'd give Jack a bigger edge here. But Sabo still has plenty room to grow, so for now, Jack is most likely his better.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No he wasn't. In fact, that's just your speculation.
And Zoro has nothing to do with it, especially when Sanji has no one in BB's group that is a foot fighter like him.
Burguess>>>Shriyuu. He's shown nothing so far and Jesus is the only on BB's crew to show Armament Haki.

Even pre-TS Shiryuu was stronger than post-TS Burgess since he was equal to Magellan. There's this thing called common sense, I suggest that you try using it. If someone gets defeated by someone who is Yonko FM levellow diff, then that person is clearly not a Yonko FM.

 

[MickNerks]

I would give this to Jack, based of his showing.

Jack fought two possibly admiral level opponents for 5 days straight at a stalemate. Sabo could barely keep up with Fujitora for 30 mins.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Even pre-TS Shiryuu was stronger than post-TS Burgess since he was equal to Magellan. There's this thing called common sense, I suggest that you try using it. If someone gets defeated by someone who is Yonko FM levellow diff, then that person is clearly not a Yonko FM.

1. Pre timeskip Shiryuu doesn't have armament haki does Post timeskip Jesus absolutely destroys pre-timeskip Shiyuu without any difficulty.

2. You don't have common sense, nothing you posted made the slightest bit of sense. Because you just indirectly stated that Shiryuu is stronger than Blackbeard and his crew just because he and his crew didn't fight Magellan back. You don't even know how strong Magellan really is because everybody who was trying to escape the impel down all ran to make it in the war in time before the execution started.

3. Sabo beating a firstmate of a two year yonkou makes complete sense.
Because you can't compare BB to the other yonkous that's been in that higher level longer.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. Pre timeskip Shiryuu doesn't have armament haki does Post timeskip Jesus absolutely destroys pre-timeskip Shiyuu without any difficulty.

2. You don't have common sense, nothing you posted made the slightest bit of sense. Because you just indirectly stated that Shiryuu is stronger than Blackbeard and his crew just because he and his crew didn't fight Magellan back. You don't even know how strong Magellan really is because everybody who was trying to escape the impel down all ran to make it in the war in time before the execution started.

3. Sabo beating a firstmate of a two year yonkou makes complete sense.
Because you can't compare BB to the other yonkous that's been in that higher level longer.

So do you think that Burgess would also destroy Magellan? Do you think that all of BB's crew members are fodders since the strongest of them (according to you) got low diffed by Sabo? The BB Pirates would have been destroyed by now if the FM was that weak. Also, you have no proof that Burgess is the FM.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So do you think that Burgess would also destroy Magellan? Do you think that all of BB's crew members are fodders since the strongest of them (according to you) got low diffed by Sabo? The BB Pirates would have been destroyed by now if the FM was that weak. Also, you have no proof that Burgess is the FM.

Firstmate of a Yonkou ship, well yes common sense shows that Burgess is stronger. And what you have problem comprehending is the strength of Sabo. Sabo would beat Shiryuu all the same if not worse than he did Burguess. Shiryuu is featless and Hakiless from what we've seen.
I do have proof that Burguess is firstmate too.

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1st division captains are the firstmmate, there's no higher position after that besides a Yonkou captain.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Going with sabo

 

[YellowFang]

It's super close IMO,
Can't say anything for sure...
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But,

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... no, really can't say anything for sure...

 

[7Deadly Sin]

geez relax XD

Sabo ain't stronger than Fuji what you on about XD

sabo will be a monster bro believe it , if u watch manga he was already mastering ( training ) hes new abilitys he can beat fuji trust me :sdo: