[Discussion] Sabo and Zoro vs Doflamingo and Vergo
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In a SBS, someone asked who in the SHC know Haki, Oda said the M3 do, to further clarify this, he said Sanji specializes in CoO; Zoro in CoA; and Luffy in CoC - thus we know Sanji has the best CoO in the SHC; Luffy has the best CoC in the SHC (since he may be the only one who has it); and Zoro has the best CoA.
So yes, it is true.
A wounded Zoro did a lot better against the real deal than what we have seen from Drake against Pacifista and remember that Drakes attack was a surprise attack. Zoro actually managed to put a dent on the real deal(Kuma) by using a surprise attack where as Drake failed to do so.
Whatever, that reason won't help you to put him above Zoro no matter how badly you look at it.
Zoro has the best Busoshoku among M3 :Stated by Oda in SBS.
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Actually no. Specializing in a type of Haki means that's the Haki you are best at of your usage of the three types.
To illustrate, let's say usage of Haki can be measured in levels.
Let's say Luffy has a 110 in Busoshoku, a 30 in Kenbonshoku, and a 120 in Haoshoku.
Sanji has a 40 in Buso, an 80 in Kenbonshoku, and a 0 in Haoshoku.
Zoro has a 100 in Busoshoku, an 85 in Ken and a 0 in Haoshoku.
Sanji's highest level is Kenbunshoku, so it's his specialty, but Zoro can have a higher level in his usage, Kenbonshoku is still Sanji's specialty.
Zoro's specialty in Busoshoku means Zoro uses Busoshoku better than he does Kenbunshoku and Haoshoku, not that Zoro uses Busohoku better than Luffy and Sanji.
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I wanna call you Shaq cuz you're the ****ing king of missing the point, but Shaq is too tall to have stuff go over his head.
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No, You call yourself specialized at something when you are better than others ( the people around you)at doing something. Lets see, when talking about a class,if someone says that student A is specialized in subject X then it means that he's better than other students when it comes to that particular subject not because he gets more marks in subject X than other subjects.
You can't say that I am specialized in subject X only because I got 35/100 in sub X and < 10 marks in other subs right?
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Um no. That's not what it means.
Definition of specialty:
spe·cial·ty noun, often attributive \ˈspe-shəl-tē\
: something that a person or place is known for making or producing very well
spe·cial·ty
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a pursuit, area of study, or skill to which someone has devoted much time and effort and in which they are expert.
Specialize just means that that particular area is the area you're an expert in, it does not mean that you are better than everyone else in that area.
To be a specialist in Busoshoku Haki just means that of the types of Haki you have access too, your best performance is in Busoshoku.
Look up the definition for specialty and specialize, none of the results mention being the best at it.
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Don't make things more complicated bro. I can see where you are coming from but look at things in general aspect. Anyone can kill someone else just by having a weapon but only a few are specialists. Why are they specialists? Yes,It is because they are better than people around them.The word specialist loses it's meaning if you are not better than others at that particular field.
Lets look at another example: If I say that Apple is the best mobile company then it means that apple produces better mobiles than other mobile companies. Can I say that Apple mobiles are the best because Apple mobiles are better than apple tabs? No,It would be stupid as hell.
Did you realize the flaw in your point now? You are comparing 3 different haki's of same person here but they have nothing to do with each other. COO and COA are totally different from each other so saying Zoro is specialized at COA coz his coa is better than his coo is same as saying that apple phones are the best because they are better than apple tabs not because they are better than other brand mobiles. In order to call Zoro a specialist you need to compare his COA with the coa of others which is what Oda did when he said that Zoro is specialized at COA.
The world won't consider you as a specialist unless you prove that you are better than others at particular field. You can't be a specialist just because your skill at something is better than your other skills.
Lets say that there are 2 coffee shops (X and Y)in your area both X and Y are proficient at making coffee but X is better than Y at making coffee and the skill of X at making Tea is better than Coffee. If I ask u who is proficient at making Coffee whose name will I get from you? Obviously X. Even though X has something else at which he's more proficient. He's still better than Y at making coffee which is why the answer should be X.
Same thing should have happened in Oda's case when he was talking about Haki. If Luffy is better than Zpro at using COA then Oda would have said that Luffy is specialized at both COA as well as kings haki.
If you still have problem then don't post an argument just say that you disagree with me. I don't have enough time to continue this as I am currently preparing for shitty exams.Zzz
Sorry about that.
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Dude, what part of specialist does not mean best do you not understand? You are literally using the word wrong. NONE of the scenarios you posted above are actual examples of someone being a specialist at something. If after this you still think it means best, just pick up a dictionary or Google the actual definition.
For your mobile thing, let me explain how it actually would work. If Apple's phones are better than their tablets or headphones or whatever other devices they make, then you see phones are their specialty, phones are the area they perform best in. That does not mean their performance in the area is THE best.
If shop X is better at making coffee, I will say X is better. That doesn't mean coffee is X's specialty. Specialty does not mean an area where you are more proficient at others, but an area you are proficient in and perform better in that other areas.
Let's say for example Subway. Subway's specialty is sandwiches because that's their main menu item, despite having cookies and brownies there as well. Does that mean Subway has the best sandwiches? Of course not.
Your specialty is your main skill. I'll use myself as an example with exercise. You can exercise by running, playing a sport or by lifting weights. Lifting weights is the area I do best in, so that's my specialty. There's still ton of people who are stronger than me, or who can lift longer than me, or have better form than me.
Zoro specializing in Busoshoku Haki CAN make him better than Luffy at Buso because of how much time and energy he spends training in it, but that doesn't GUARANTEE he's gonna be better than Luffy.
If you have to complain and say "Don't make things complicated" because I posted the correct, official definition of the word and it goes against what you say, then that pretty much indicates that what you said was wrong. You shouldn't respond anyway since you're arguing for an incorrect definition.
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Maybe in some fanfiction you right, but in the series titled "One Piece" - of which this sub-forum and originating post relates to - Zoro not only has a chance but can beat him.
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Nothing noticeable yet, but we haven't even seen Zoro harden is blades yet, so until we see what his CoA is capable of, we can only speculate.
