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I'm not wasting any more time with you. you're crazy
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I'm not wasting any more time with you. you're crazy
I already read your laser-pen-example. However, if that was the case, if it was really traveling as fast as Sasuke's sight, Ae couldn't have dodged it either, beacuse - as you said - he was in Sasuke's field of vision, even if it only was for an instant. As I said, seemingly the flames need a brief moment of time to attach to the enemy. Since we're normally perceiving it in real-motion, it looks instantly. If we look at it in slow-motion, however, we can see there's a split second between the appearance and the actual attachment to the enemy.Your statement,which I have underlined, actually favours towards my argument. Why wasn't there long enough time for the flames to 'attach to his body' if the flames ignite whoever the eye focuses on. If the flames appears then it should've hit A the moment Sasuke had his eyes, regardless slow-motion or not. If you had read my laser pen example in the first page then you would've understood my point.
Bold: Sasuke's eyesight travelling? Are you telling me Sasuke had to focus his eyes on a huge beast in front of him? Anyway, Sasuke was not focusing on Hachibi's face because the page I showed you clearly shows that there is no Amaterasu on his face but around his tentacles. It is only the left panel shows it covering around his body.
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And no I am not implying Amaterasu's speed of travelling varies. Since you are keen on stating the effects such as slow-motion, I should also point out that the rest of the time Amaterasu was used it was in normal speed and didnt need to require the implications that it travels. Amaterasu seems instant because it travels/moves/converges at insane speed.
1.Indeed, that's what I say. You're right about the part of it hitting Gyuuki's tail and not his face, I never noticed that; however, that also disputes your point of the speed-lines indicating the traveling of the flames. On the previous page there's a close-in zoom of Gyuuki's face, implying that the flames nearly reached it already - on your page, however, the burning tail is far away from the face, pointing out that the flaes were activated after Gyuuki held his tentacle before his face.
2.No. We already saw it moving, with normal speed - and that was after the flames had appeared and missed their target. Are you actually saying that the flames are coming out of Itachi's/Sasuke's eye? That'd mean their eye would be on fire, as well. Even if it would be traveling, it'd appear in front of the eye - so either way, it appears. And what is more likely? The flames appearing before the eye and traveling towards the enemy at nearly lightning-speed, even though we already saw them moving, at low-speed, after they missed? Or the flames appearing right before the enemy's body, which is considerably closer to Amaterasu's actual description?
I already read your laser-pen-example. However, if that was the case, if it was really traveling as fast as Sasuke's sight, Ae couldn't have dodged it either, beacuse - as you said - he was in Sasuke's field of vision, even if it only was for an instant. As I said, seemingly the flames need a brief moment of time to attach to the enemy. Since we're normally perceiving it in real-motion, it looks instantly. If we look at it in slow-motion, however, we can see there's a split second between the appearance and the actual attachment to the enemy.
Indeed, that's what I say. You're right about the part of it hitting Gyuuki's tail and not his face, I never noticed that; however, that also disputes your point of the speed-lines indicating the traveling of the flames. On the previous page there's a close-in zoom of Gyuuki's face, implying that the flames nearly reached it already - on your page, however, the burning tail is far away from the face, pointing out that the flaes were activated after Gyuuki held his tentacle before his face.
No. We already saw it moving, with normal speed - and that was after the flames had appeared and missed their target. Are you actually saying that the flames are coming out of Itachi's/Sasuke's eye? That'd mean their eye would be on fire, as well. Even if it would be traveling, it'd appear in front of the eye - so either way, it appears. And what is more likely? The flames appearing before the eye and traveling towards the enemy at nearly lightning-speed, even though we already saw them moving, at low-speed, after they missed? Or the flames appearing right before the enemy's body, which is considerably closer to Amaterasu's actual description?
Even if Amaterasu is traveling, it doesn't change the fact that you can only avoid it by escaping the users sight U_U. So keep your definition of Amaterasu with you. Amaterasu is said to be appearing wherever the Sharingan is aiming for, no Manga page actually showed any flames traveling. The dashes are only your interpretation of traveling, though they were never shown to travel anyway. Anything else is just your opinion.
That's nice and all, but in that case the laser pointer was a bad example. If Amaterasu moved at that speed, seeing Ae for a tenth part of a split second would be enough for Amaterasu to actually hit him.If a person is able to dodge a bullet it doesn't mean that person is faster than that bullet, its just great reflexes and I believe this is the case with A and Sasuke.
You're basically saying nothing wrong, but you didn't get my point. Ae obviously knew about Amaterasu and was told about it by Shee - the same may go for Bee. If not, Gyuuki was just using his tale for protection of something, since Amaterasu is too fast to be seen coming, even if it was traveling.Bold: It doesn't dispute my point of speed-lines of the flames travelling. It would only show that Hachibi managed to get its tail in the way, if Sasuke was aiming at Hachibi's face and it looked like it did. But if that's the case then there's only strong implications that Hachibi was aware of the on coming Amaterasu. Similarly to how A was aware and managed to dodge it. But since Hachibi had no choice to evade it he used his tail for protection, similarly how you would use your arm if something is thrown towards you that you cannot dodge.
But you have to understand the difference between a regular Katon and Amaterasu. Katon is used by releasing Chakra that undergoes a nutural transformation, in this case fire. But you can't just release Chakra and convert it into Amaterasu. If that was the case, Itachi could simply use all his regular Katon techniques with Amaterasu instead of normal flames. Amaterasu is special, and as long as one cannot use Enton: Kagetsuchi, it only has one way of usage. Moreover the mouth is an opening; but there is no such opening in one's lense. So, if what you said was true, Itachi's lense would be destroyed everytime Amaterasu is used, or it appears.Why would it be hard to believe that flames are coming out of eyes? People act its normal whenever a ninja uses Katon techniques that are spouting from their mouths. Why should an eye be treated any different? :shrug:
Indeed, myths are exaggerated, and so is the point about it igniting everything in the field of view. It appears before the user, but as we saw in case of Ae, there's a brief moment of time between the appearance and the attachment. It's not entirely inescapable. It's just that only a few selected Shinobi can actually make use of that gap to dodge it; Ae needed his increased reflexes and his lightning-speed to do so.What's more likely shouldn't even be asked and discussed in the Naruto world. U_U Also along with the description of hot as the sun, I believe they are just exaggerated myths, like most. And I'm going to stand by this belief until an event in the future changes my mind and I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong.
If it appears then its impossible to dodge.I don't feel like reiterating all over again to explain. U_U
I already read your laser-pen-example. However, if that was the case, if it was really traveling as fast as Sasuke's sight, Ae couldn't have dodged it either, beacuse - as you said - he was in Sasuke's field of vision, even if it only was for an instant. As I said, seemingly the flames need a brief moment of time to attach to the enemy. Since we're normally perceiving it in real-motion, it looks instantly. If we look at it in slow-motion, however, we can see there's a split second between the appearance and the actual attachment to the enemy.
That's nice and all, but in that case the laser pointer was a bad example. If Amaterasu moved at that speed, seeing Ae for a tenth part of a split second would be enough for Amaterasu to actually hit him.
1.You're basically saying nothing wrong, but you didn't get my point. Ae obviously knew about Amaterasu and was told about it by Shee - the same may go for Bee. If not, Gyuuki was just using his tale for protection of something, since Amaterasu is too fast to be seen coming, even if it was traveling.
2.Anyway, my main point was that the speed-lines cannot have shown the movement of Amaterasu. Those lines were very close to Gyuuki's face, but the tail was ignited a good distance before the face. Those lines were showing Sasuke's sight traveling, and since Gyuuki's tail suddenly crossed Sasuke's line of sight, the flames ignited it instead of Bee's face.
3.But you have to understand the difference between a regular Katon and Amaterasu. Katon is used by releasing Chakra that undergoes a nutural transformation, in this case fire. But you can't just release Chakra and convert it into Amaterasu. If that was the case, Itachi could simply use all his regular Katon techniques with Amaterasu instead of normal flames. Amaterasu is special, and as long as one cannot use Enton: Kagetsuchi, it only has one way of usage. Moreover the mouth is an opening; but there is no such opening in one's lense. So, if what you said was true, Itachi's lense would be destroyed everytime Amaterasu is used, or it appears.
4.Indeed, myths are exaggerated, and so is the point about 'igniting everything in the user's field of view'. It appears before the user, but as we saw in case of Ae, there's a brief moment of time between the appearance and the attachment. It's not entirely inescapable. It's just that only a few selected Shinobi can actually make use of that gap to dodge it. Ae needed his increased reflexes and his lightning-speed to dodge it.
5.As I said, for it to move towards the enemy at high-speed makes no sense. We never saw it moving towards the enemy, but we definitely saw it moving at low-speed after it appeared. So you're implying that Amaterasu moves all the way but, for some strange reason, drastically slows down in case it misses the enemy?![]()
That's nice and all, but in that case the laser pointer was a bad example. If Amaterasu moved at that speed, seeing Ae for a tenth part of a split second would be enough for Amaterasu to actually hit him.
You're basically saying nothing wrong, but you didn't get my point. Ae obviously knew about Amaterasu and was told about it by Shee - the same may go for Bee. If not, Gyuuki was just using his tale for protection of something, since Amaterasu is too fast to be seen coming, even if it was traveling.
Anyway, my main point was that the speed-lines cannot have shown the movement of Amaterasu. Those lines were very close to Gyuuki's face, but the tail was ignited a good distance before the face. Those lines were showing Sasuke's sight traveling, and since Gyuuki's tail suddenly crossed Sasuke's line of sight, the flames ignited it instead of Bee's face.
But you have to understand the difference between a regular Katon and Amaterasu. Katon is used by releasing Chakra that undergoes a nutural transformation, in this case fire. But you can't just release Chakra and convert it into Amaterasu. If that was the case, Itachi could simply use all his regular Katon techniques with Amaterasu instead of normal flames. Amaterasu is special, and as long as one cannot use Enton: Kagetsuchi, it only has one way of usage. Moreover the mouth is an opening; but there is no such opening in one's lense. So, if what you said was true, Itachi's lense would be destroyed everytime Amaterasu is used, or it appears.
Indeed, myths are exaggerated, and so is the point about 'igniting everything in the user's field of view'. It appears before the user, but as we saw in case of Ae, there's a brief moment of time between the appearance and the attachment. It's not entirely inescapable.
As I said, for it to move towards the enemy at high-speed makes no sense. We never saw it moving towards the enemy, but we definitely saw it moving at low-speed after it appeared. So you're implying that Amaterasu moves all the way but, for some strange reason, drastically slows down in case it misses the enemy?![]()
A activated the second level of his Raiton no Yoroi after seeing Sasuke activating his Mangekyou Sharingan; probably with the purpose to be able to escape from Sasukes sight and thus not be hit by Amaterasu?
And keep the definitions with you, they doesn't refute our statements after all.
And A dodged Amaterasu because he escaped from Sasukes sight before he was able to cast Amaterasu. You saw Amaterasu appearing before A, but before the flame managed to attach his body, he already escaped from his sight. The moment between the appearing of the flame at a certain point and the attachment to this object is marginal and can only be seen at a slow-motion where you can see A's movments with his lighting speed as well. But in normal time you can't even see this difference, because it appears on its target, always, never shown otherwise.
And I won't repeat myself again. You are wrong, the Manga contradicted you. Its definition was that it appears exactly at the point where the Sharingan aims for and the several times where someone used Amaterasu it was never shown that the flames by themselves were traveling.
You make me really sick.
A activated the second level of his Raiton no Yoroi after seeing Sasuke activating his Mangekyou Sharingan; probably with the purpose to be able to escape from Sasukes sight and thus not be hit by Amaterasu?
And keep the definitions with you, they doesn't refute our statements after all.
And A dodged Amaterasu because he escaped from Sasukes sight before he was able to cast Amaterasu. You saw Amaterasu appearing before A, but before the flame managed to attach his body, he already escaped from his sight. The moment between the appearing of the flame at a certain point and the attachment to this object is marginal and can only be seen at a slow-motion where you can see A's movments with his lighting speed as well. But in normal time you can't even see this difference, because it appears on its target, always, never shown otherwise.
And I won't repeat myself again. You are wrong, the Manga contradicted you. Its definition was that it appears exactly at the point where the Sharingan aims for and the several times where someone used Amaterasu it was never shown that the flames by themselves were traveling.
You make me really sick.
The pupil is a hole? :sy:Btw Katons come out of the Mouth all the time, the eye is an orifice, the pupil is a hole, and coincidentally (well not really) the focal line ultimately originates from the pupil.
Because the flame is appearing before the target as a small flame which is unfolding drastically, once being casted at a certain point; and this can be seen in slow motion. If you see Amaterasu being cast, you actually never see the way Amaterasu travels, it is automatically on the target the Sharingan aimed for, isn't it? But when Kishimoto drew this moment in slow-motion he maked clear how Amaterasu is appearing. It is not appearing as an already existing flame, it appears at a certain point and attach the certain object by unfolding itself. But even here, the flame was shown to appear at certain point, so before A, it was never shown that Amaterasu is traveling, isn't it? Or can you show me where the flame did travel actually?Are you hearing yourself? You say A manage to avoid Sasuke's sight yet Amaterasu was already set off. So basically what you're saying is Sasuke just decided to Amaterasu thin air? Sir, you're starting to come out as a muppet. U_U This contradictory statement was already addressed by me in the first few pages. For Sasuke to have set out Amaterasu it only would've meant that A was already in Sasuke's sight. And this proves by the gap of time between Amaterasu not landing on A in that panel.
Sasuke locked his eyes on A, fired Amaterasu but A evaded it and landed on the Samurai. Simple.
Also please address this question going by your logic and understanding, why would Amaterasu appear before A when it simply should've appeared on A? I wouldnt be surprised if you come spouting some shit like Plot No jutsu. U_U
Did you see Amaterasu travel? No, Amaterasu appeared rightly before A and unfold at exactly the same point, where A already escaped from Sasukes sight. And after the flame missed their target, they moved to the target Sasukes eyes were still focusing on. We didn't see Amaterasu travel as an already existing flame towards A. We saw the appearance of Amaterasu at a certain point where it started to unfold itself at exactly the same spot; the travel you speaking of never happened. It appears before the target and attach him by unfolding, or rising. And since this was slow motion, we never see the flame unfolding on its target, we are only seeing a flame appearing on its target. Instantly. Therefore someone with a normal speed can't react.You must be registered for see images
No.I'm not implying that. The fact that A, someone with great speed and reflex, evading it just goes to show it travels/moves or whatever.
Where did you get that? Was it said once that Amaterasu is 'connected' to the victim's body the moment it appears? It looks like it, because it instantly attaches to the enemy. But seemingly it appears right in front of the them and there's a split second to escape it, and that is what Ae did. It's really simple.But what you seem to be implying is that, for some whatever strange reason, Amaterasu appeared right before A when it should've appeared on A.
Slow-motion or not, Amaterasu should've appeared on A since he was in Sasuke's sight since Amaterasu was already out. U_U
No.
Where did you get that? Was it said once that Amaterasu is 'connected' to the victim's body the moment it appears? It looks like it, because it instantly attaches to the enemy. But seemingly it appears right in front of the them and there's a split second to escape it, and that is what Ae did. It's really simple.
Apart from that, nothing implies actual movement of the flames. There's a clear difference in drawing, since we already saw flying/moving/thrown flames, and there's the SFX Kanji 'Appearing'. The body of evidence is against your theory, and seemingly you're too bent on the idea of the flames actually starting to burn on the enemy, whereas Ae's evasion manoeuvre unmistakably showed that it takes a brief moment for the flames to actually attach to the body. The very fact that he had to increase his speed to the maximum shows you how brief that moment actually is, hence it looks like the flames directly appear on the opponent in real-motion.
But we're going in circles. I've said everything I had to say, and unless you bring up anything new, we have to agree to disagree. The case is closed for me.
We'll just be reiterating so yes we have to agree to disagree. U_U
what floriglori said is true you uchiha hater slash nagato fanboy.
the SFX kanji are sound effects which illustrating movements and other voices. and if the sound effect says that something is "appearing" it illustrates how amaterasu works. it appears at this point and isnt traveling because otherwise the sound description would say approaching or moving. so stfu :flaw:.
My point exactly. Amaterasu is not a projectile ^^