S.A = The Fastest Projectile From Sasuke, Amaterasu Is Not Instant.

[Maunten]

What I am saying is not baseless look...

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The very first time we see susanoo arrow, a reference to it's speed is made.

I therefore except that susanoo is an extremely fast projectile, I am not trolling anyone here (right now, maybe in other threads lol).

I am not fanboying or hating, I now Sasuke is very strong.

Second time

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Look at the shock on his face, read his words... He did not expect Kabuto to dodge it, because of the speed of the arrow.


It's one thing for Sasuke using the arrow as opposed to Amaterasu being plot no jutsu, but the 2 out of 3 times Susanoo arrow as been used a reference to it's speed was made.

The reference made about Amaterasu is it's ability to burn relentlessly.

All I'm doing here is presenting the facts, and I get called a troll, too random, if you don't want to see this truth then don't view the thread.

Amamterasu Is A Projectile​

Alright in this picture the dash lines are shown, the flames also take spherical fireball form, then the left hand of the panel shows the black flames engulfing Sasukes flames.

They have changed form after hitting Sasuke's Flames.

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Please take a look at the left hand side of the panel. This shows the black flames stage by stage approaching the Hachibi via the zooming in affect.

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It is not stated in the Data book that Amatereasu is instant.

One More Time "The Raikage"​

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Please Divert Your Attention To The Right Panel Of The Scan, The Flames Are Approaching Him, And On The Left Side He Moves Out Of The Way Before They Land. They Are Not Summoned To Him, They Move Towards Him.


Sasuke Could Take Out Hashirama If He Could Summon Flames That Are As Hot As The Sun And That Burn Forever, Directly too Hahsirama, They Are Projectiles

The Clincher?

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The Flames Continue on their trajectory resulting in the samurai being hit.

Now there is a Shinobi there saying "Amaterasu The Technique That Ignites Flames Wherever The User Looks".

Some will say there you go the manga says it.

Well if you do this I will attack that point in three ways.

1. I have shown you actually feats that go against Amaterasu instantly hitting, yet because of what one Shinobi says the feats are no longer relevant??

Zetsu a creature who anyone would expect has more knowledge on the Uchiha, statest that they Converge At The Focal Point Of The User.

2.How much does this Shinobi actually know about a rare tech like Amaterasu??

3. "Ignites Flames Wherever The User Looks At", well when I look out of my window, what am I looking at, the person on the street? Or at my window and the person on the street.

When I look at someone am I looking at the many specs of dust in the air, or am I looking at the person? Ever heard of the term looking through someone?

What is going on here is that Kishi has given us two description that may seem to contradict each other but both can actually work to fully describe Amaterasu.


Amaterasu creates Black flames from the users eyes (Ignite Ignites Flames Wherever The User Looks) At those flames move towards the target (Converges At The Focal Point Of The User).

Amaterasu Description

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What is mentioned here? It's ability to burn well, and burn for a long.

Not it's speed.

The first description line

"The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!"


Is metaphorical, it speaks of the Jutsu as it would of a legendary phenomenon, it does not burn all on heaven and earth, it does not burn a fire sealing scroll, it does not burn chakra wires, it does not burn Gaara's sand.

It was not just the Raikage that was reflected in Sasukes eyes but a vast area behind him, the half the room should have been set a light.

So you can see that, the realistic descriptions should be taken, not the exaggerated ones, I know I know Kishi wrote the Data book, but we talk about the manga and the manga does not show burning everything on heaven and earth.

The first lines of the descriptions are often emotive language, they speak of the Jutsu as you would tell a story to your comrades, inspiring fear or awe.

For The Record I Don't Hate Sasuke, He Is Fictional, I Am Aware That His Character Is Strong, I Just Want To Clear Some Things Up About Him.​

 

[Gèckö]

uhm i don't know what to say
besides search bar

 

[10023213]

very detailed +rep

 

[Mangekyo Master]

I thought that sasuke's Kirin was the fastest

 

[-Logic-]

Fair enough, but Amaterasu is not a projectile. It materializes wherever the user looks so, how can it be a projectile? It does not travel.

 

[OnPoint]

I like the effort you put into this, +rep when I can. But it doesn't travel, when A dodged it, the sharingan was simply unable to lock onto him, and thus the flames appeared on the place where the Sharingan was left focusing; the samurai.

 

[10023213]

i thought amaterasu shoots black fire at people not materialize whever they look and it was just so fast that it seems as though its instant

 

[-Logic-]

I like the effort you put into this, +rep when I can. But it doesn't travel, when A dodged it, the sharingan was simply unable to lock onto him, and thus the flames appeared on the place where the Sharingan was left focusing; the samurai.

My point exactly. Amaterasu is not a projectile ^^

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Amaterasu appears instant because it travels instantly. If you have doubts then read what I wrote about this matter ages ago.

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If it really was the case of it being ignited whenever an eye focuses on the opponent then shouldnt people like the Raikage have been burned instantly because Sasuke's eye was already locked towards him?

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Also the fact that the Amaterasu missed Raikage means that it indeed travels at a really high speed. But apparently Raikages V2 reflexes was much faster than the travelling speed of Amaterasu as it continues to travel whoever was behind Raikage, in this case the Samurai.

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Another example : Sasuke vs Danzo.

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Here is when Sasuke uses Amaterasu on Danzo. If it really was the case of literally igniting on whomever the eye is locked then Danzo should've been hit with Amaterasu on the panel below Sasuke's eye. Yet it shows that Danzo has time to be aware that its coming towards him as you can tell with his facial expression.

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It is only then at the next page that the Amaterasu lands on Danzo. Danzo didnt dodge it because he has slow reflexes than the on coming speed of Amaterasu or the simple fact that he didn't need to due to Izanagi.

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More example: Itachi's Amaterasu on Nagato.

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The following scan shows Itachi using Amaterasu on Nagato yet we see the Amaterasu taking a couple seconds to actually land on Nagato because Nagato even has the time to say "I see what you did". It is unclear whether the middle left panel shows Amaterasu actually landing on Nagato or that its still travelling towards Nagato. Because the next panel shows Nagato falling down as soon as Amaterasu touches him.

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I don't usually like to use real life examples but the best way to further explain it is through the use of a laser pen.

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Like Amaterasu, the laser pen seems to be instant on wherever its targetted at. But if you target a laser pen at something thats fast enough to dodge then the laser pen simply lands on something thats behind the target.

Even Zetsu stated that it 'converges'.

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[SilverSlick]

Would Kirin count as a projectile?

 

[Maunten]

Fair enough, but Amaterasu is not a projectile. It materializes wherever the user looks so, how can it be a projectile? It does not travel.

Amaterasu makes the black flames appear, then it travels towards the focal point, I state that later on in the OP.

Would Kirin count as a projectile?

Wel Kamui teleports what the user is looking at, it is not material.

I like the effort you put into this, +rep when I can. But it doesn't travel, when A dodged it, the sharingan was simply unable to lock onto him, and thus the flames appeared on the place where the Sharingan was left focusing; the samurai.

So you are saying that A dodged Sasukes view? Not the flames?

If that is the case why are the flames on the correct path to hit A in the right panel but on the left it is not?

 

[Strict]

Here we go again. Are you aware that Kishimoto showed us the moment when Amaterasu appeared before A in slow motion? Amaterasu appears rightly before its target, but A managed to escape from Sasukes sight before the flame has unfold itself. You got the wrong idea from Amaterasu. Amaterasu appears wherever the Sharingan is aiming for.

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Do you see Amaterasu traveling here? No, the flame appears rightly before A but since he is able to escape from the Sharingans sight, the flame can't unfold in time. And since Kishimoto showed us this moment in very slow motion, you can consider how fast Amaterasu is in the normal case. It's called instant my friend.

For The Record I Don't Hate Sasuke, He Is Fictional, I Am Aware That His Character Is Strong, I Just Want To Clear Some Things Up About Him.​

You always try to downplay the Sharingan, whether through the Byakugan or now with Amaterasu. You however failed.

 

[Vincent]

I like the effort you put into this, +rep when I can. But it doesn't travel, when A dodged it, the sharingan was simply unable to lock onto him, and thus the flames appeared on the place where the Sharingan was left focusing; the samurai.

then gaara couldnt have blocked it.

Amaterasu is a projectile, it doesnt instantly appear on the target, as shown in those manga pages, non of the methods used to "dodge" it would have worked otherwise.

 

[OnPoint]

then gaara couldnt have blocked it.

Amaterasu is a projectile, it doesnt instantly appear on the target, as shown in those manga pages, non of the methods used to "dodge" it would have worked otherwise.

That was Enton, not Amaterasu.

 

[-Logic-]

Interesting, it seems NB has ushered into an age where we debate about... Amaterasu... xd

 

[Gooner4life]

I think rather than where he is looking, it is where he was focused. He was focused on Raikage but he dodged out of his line of focus meaning the flames hit the samurai. I used to make this mistake too, but they are instant, it is just he needs to be able to focus on the target for the flames to materialise there. Good thread though +rep

When the flames travel, this is blaze release where he is manipulating existing flames, not creating them. This was not the case against Raikage but was against Gaara.

 

[Strict]

then gaara couldnt have blocked it.

Amaterasu is a projectile, it doesnt instantly appear on the target, as shown in those manga pages, non of the methods used to "dodge" it would have worked otherwise.

Because Sasuke has thrown a consisting flame with his Blaze Release in Gaaras direction. Amaterasu appears wherever the Sharingan aims for, but since A was faster than Sasukes sight, Amaterasu appeared at the point Sasuke was still focusing. If you can't escape from the Sharingans sight, you will be hit by it, end of discussion.

 

[Dantee]

Logic and The eye ended this thread on the 1st page.

 

[Maunten]

very detailed +rep

Thanks

I like the effort you put into this, +rep when I can. But it doesn't travel, when A dodged it, the sharingan was simply unable to lock onto him, and thus the flames appeared on the place where the Sharingan was left focusing; the samurai.

Thanks

Amaterasu appears instant because it travels instantly. If you have doubts then read what I wrote about this matter ages ago.

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If it really was the case of it being ignited whenever an eye focuses on the opponent then shouldnt people like the Raikage have been burned instantly because Sasuke's eye was already locked towards him?

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Also the fact that the Amaterasu missed Raikage means that it indeed travels at a really high speed. But apparently Raikages V2 reflexes was much faster than the travelling speed of Amaterasu as it continues to travel whoever was behind Raikage, in this case the Samurai.

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Another example : Sasuke vs Danzo.

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Here is when Sasuke uses Amaterasu on Danzo. If it really was the case of literally igniting on whomever the eye is locked then Danzo should've been hit with Amaterasu on the panel below Sasuke's eye. Yet it shows that Danzo has time to be aware that its coming towards him as you can tell with his facial expression.

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It is only then at the next page that the Amaterasu lands on Danzo. Danzo didnt dodge it because he has slow reflexes than the on coming speed of Amaterasu or the simple fact that he didn't need to due to Izanagi.

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More example: Itachi's Amaterasu on Nagato.

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The following scan shows Itachi using Amaterasu on Nagato yet we see the Amaterasu taking a couple seconds to actually land on Nagato because Nagato even has the time to say "I see what you did". It is unclear whether the middle left panel shows Amaterasu actually landing on Nagato or that its still travelling towards Nagato. Because the next panel shows Nagato falling down as soon as Amaterasu touches him.

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I don't usually like to use real life examples but the best way to further explain it is through the use of a laser pen.

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Like Amaterasu, the laser pen seems to be instant on wherever its targetted at. But if you target a laser pen at something thats fast enough to dodge then the laser pen simply lands on something thats behind the target.

Even Zetsu stated that it 'converges'.

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Wow your post rocks, thanks for adding it to this thread.

Btw I have seen the Nagato one before, I think the middle panel actually shows the flames moving towards Nagato in the bottom half of the middle left panel, and it landing on the top half of that same panel.

Logic and The eye ended this thread on the 1st page.

Logic and Eye, as I understand it, may have conflicting views on Amaterasu's nature.

 

[OnPoint]

Amaterasu makes the black flames appear, then it travels towards the focal point, I state that later on in the OP.



Wel Kamui teleports what the user is looking at, it is not material.



So you are saying that A dodged Sasukes view? Not the flames?

If that is the case why are the flames on the correct path to hit A in the right panel but on the left it is not?

A dodged the Sharingan's view, yes. The Sharingan was simply unable to keep up with A, and so the flames 'converged' on the object which remained in the line of sight. In this case, it was the Samurai.