S.A = The Fastest Projectile From Sasuke, Amaterasu Is Not Instant.

[Strict]

Hahaha good one . But still Amaterasu was never said or shown to travel, it was said, the flames converge at exactly the point where the Sharingan aims for; if the Sharingan aims for a person, the flames will start to converge at that person; just like it was shown on A in slow motion, where the flame started as a small flame which suddenly unfolds at that spot. The only reason you could see this on A in detail was because Kishimoto showed us this in slow motion, otherwise we wouldn't even see his movements.

If you can give me a description where it was explicit said that Amaterasu IS traveling, or a page where Amaterasu is really traveling in the direction the Sharingan is traveling to, then we can further discuss .

Above it actually doesn't matter whether it appears before the target or just travels instantly, this makes it not easier to dodge.

 

[Maunten]

So, what do all those things indicate? Simple, that there's a minute momentum, a split second that the flames need to attach to the enemy. And that instant is the time Ae used to escape. Normaly we see Amaterasu attaching to the enemy 'instantly', because we see it in real motion; but against Ae we saw it in slow motion, which also is the reason we could actually see him moving. It's really not that complicated.

As for Maunten questioning the term 'unfolding', it is said nowhere, but shown countless times. Amaterasu starts as a small convergence before it 'unfolds' and its flames spread into all directions.

It is not shown at all I am afraid, please tell me how you can to the conclusion that they appear in a mili econd on the target?

It has been shown that they move toward the target, how do you know it takes a split second, this is the Manga, there is not enough clarity of motion to know that the flames move that fast.

Characters in the manga often have to mention the speed for us to know when something is really really fast.

Immense speed has only been expressed both implicitly and explicitly when Susanoo arrow has been used.

Amaterasu as been used at long range twice and both times on giant targets, the rest were close range attacks, possibly because an attack like that which takes such a tole has to land, or it's a huge waste of chakra.

Susanoo arrow has been used long range three out of the three times that it has been used.

Two out of three times the arrow did not land, and on both of those occasions shock was clear and the speed of this arrow was noted, by either the user or the person that avoided the hit.


When Susanoo arrow is used speed is noted, When amaterasu is used it's indistinguishable nature is noted, Kishi does this for a reason IMO

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

So, what do all those things indicate? Simple, that there's a minute momentum, a split second that the flames need to attach to the enemy. And that instant was the time Ae used to escape. Normaly Amaterasu attaches to the enemy instantly, like shown countless times, but against Ae we saw it in slow motion, which is the actual reason we could see him moving. It's really not that complicated.

As for Maunten questioning the term 'unfolding', it is said nowhere, but shown countless times. Amaterasu starts as a small convergence before it 'unfolds' and its flames spread into all directions.

Its funny you chose to use the word momentum and Amaterasu in the same sentence. Seems like you yourself agree that it travels? Anyway, why should there be a split second for the flames to attach the enemy if it 'ignites whomever the eye focuses on'? You are not getting the point. In order for Sasuke to have set off Amaterasu, A must be in Sasuke's eyesight and he was. Since Amaterasu was already set off by Sasuke we can conclude that A was in eyesight but simply evaded it even though it was travelling at insane speed.

The OP posted a really good page to show that Amaterasu travels with the incident of Bee vs Sasuke.
Here you see Sasuke activating Amaterasu and the following panels show it travelling by the zooming effect as OP stated.

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It is only then in the next page Amaterasu lands after travelling. U_U

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I have listed out more thorough examples in the first page. U_U

 

[Strict]

It has been shown that they move toward the target,

False, the flames where never shown to travel, Kishimoto showed nothing but dashes to illustrate that something is arising at a spot. If you show me where the flames are actually travel, we can further discuss my friend .

 

[Strict]

The OP posted a really good page to show that Amaterasu travels with the incident of Bee vs Sasuke.
Here you see Sasuke activating Amaterasu and the following panels show it travelling by the zooming effect as OP stated.

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It is only then in the next page Amaterasu lands after travelling. U_U

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I have listed out more thorough examples in the first page. U_U

And where do you see flames traveling? This page in no wise illustrate that the flame is traveling.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Hahaha good one . But still Amaterasu was never said or shown to travel, it was said, the flames converge at exactly the point where the Sharingan aims for; if the Sharingan aims for a person, the flames will start to converge at that person; just like it was shown on A in slow motion, where the flame started as a small flame which suddenly unfolds at that spot. The only reason you could see this on A in detail was because Kishimoto showed us this in slow motion, otherwise we wouldn't even see his movements.

If you can give me a description where it was explicit said that Amaterasu IS traveling, or a page where Amaterasu is really traveling in the direction the Sharingan is traveling to, then we can further discuss .

Above it actually doesn't matter whether it appears before the target or just travels instantly, this makes it not easier to dodge.

Do you know what converge means mate? Anyway you have yet to address my points I have stated in the first page or the one after.

 

[captainEO]

It is not an interpretation, I can read, they converge at the focal point.

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If you like I can copy and paste some descriptions, actually I will, and I'll give pictures. (at the bottom)

They burn everything in the line of sight because the flames are controlled by his eyes, you, I believe, have jumped to the conclusion that there is some type of space time power involved.

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con·verge
verb /kənˈvərj/ 
converged, past participle; converged, past tense; converges, 3rd person singular present; converging, present participle

(of several people or things) Come together from different directions so as eventually to meet
- convoys from America and the UK traversed thousands of miles to converge in the Atlantic
- two separate people whose lives converge briefly from time to time

Come from different directions and meet at (a place)
- half a million sports fans will converge on the capital

(of a number of things) Gradually change so as to become similar or develop something in common
- two cultures converged as the French settled Vermont

(of lines) Tend to meet at a point
- a pair of lines of longitude are parallel at the equator but converge toward the poles

(of a series) Approximate in the sum of its terms toward a definite limit
- the powers of e therefore converge very slowly

I also study mathematics, and when I am dealing with certain problems that require iterations, the results often Converge towards the actually solution.

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I used these because the focal point is illustrated.​

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"It burns whatever the eye focuses on...the black flames will converge on exactly that spot"

Means that the flames will meet the target.
i.e. the flames will converge on the target.
Not that the flames travel to the target.
But they appear at the target/meet at it. They will literally form at that point.

No travel.

English.

 

[Strict]

Do you know what converge means mate? Anyway you have yet to address my points I have stated in the first page or the one after.

Yeah I know what converge means, but converging doesn't mean that they need to travel from a certain direction, they can converge themselves from nowhere at the spot the Sharingan aims for .

 

[Maunten]

False, the flames where never shown to travel, Kishimoto showed nothing but dashes to illustrate that something is arising at a spot. If you show me where the flames are actually travel, we can further discuss my friend .

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So far this and the Sasuke vs Bee are very clear, and the Nagato one actually seems to show a time laps where it travels.

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Bottom of Left middle panel see, display Amaterasu's approach, top displays the impact.

 

[Maunten]

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Quote:
"It burns whatever the eye focuses on...the black flames will converge on exactly that spot"

Means that the flames will meet the target.
i.e. the flames will converge on the target.
Not that the flames travel to the target.
But they appear at the target/meet at it. They will literally form at that point.

No travel.

English.

Not just "the flames will meet"

The "flames will eventually meet", this is what converging, it's moving towards a specific point.

I hope you are not purposely cutting words out because you are giving an incorrect impression of the word converge, it's fine if you don't agree with me but why warp English?

The fact is if it is instant the word converge is totally incorrect no matter how much the English is warped.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

And where do you see flames traveling? This page in no wise illustrate that the flame is traveling.

Erm, that was the whole point of that zooming effect? Why would Kishi otherwise make three panels to show different close up of the 8-Tails? When he simply could've just straightaway shown a panel of Bee being burned by Amaterasu. U_U

 

[10023213]

lets just wait and see when sasuke fights someone else fast and then we will see
how did a know that sasuke was about to use it.
i think amaterasu just shoots fire at a person almost instantly but not instantl

 

[FloriGlori]

Its funny you chose to use the word momentum and Amaterasu in the same sentence. Seems like you yourself agree that it travels? Anyway, why should there be a split second for the flames to attach the enemy if it 'ignites whomever the eye focuses on'? You are not getting the point. In order for Sasuke to have set off Amaterasu, A must be in Sasuke's eyesight and he was. Since Amaterasu was already set off by Sasuke we can conclude that A was in eyesight but simply evaded it even though it was travelling at insane speed.

The OP posted a really good page to show that Amaterasu travels with the incident of Bee vs Sasuke.
Here you see Sasuke activating Amaterasu and the following panels show it travelling by the zooming effect as OP stated.

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It is only then in the next page Amaterasu lands after travelling. U_U

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I have listed out more thorough examples in the first page. U_U

No. I used momentum as a time measurement unit, like 'moment'. Not to indicate that it has an actual impact or even travels. Sorry for that misconception. Just replace 'momentum' with 'moment'.

It is you who does not get the point. Those two panels are in slow motion. Ae was in Sasuke's field of view, but not long enough for the flames to actually attach to his body. I could throw that question right back at you; why should they actually travel when they 'ignite whomever the user focuses on'? As it seems, they do indeed need a minute amount of time, may it only be a tenth part of a second, to attach to the enemy, or rather to 'unfold', which is the reason Ae was able to dodge them. There's nothing implying that they travel.

That entire travelling makes no sense at all, since we saw it being used on various ranges, and it always appeared instantly. Are you telling me that the speed Amaterasu travels with varies?

Your example of Sasuke is actually working against you. It does not show the flames traveling, it shows Sasuke's sight traveling. It shows Sasuke focusing his eye, his view, on Gyuuki's face. Again in slow-motion, obviously, since Gyuuki is not moving an inch.

 

[captainEO]

Not just "the flames will meet"

The "flames will eventually meet", this is what converging, it's moving towards a specific point.

I hope you are not purposely cutting words out because you are giving an incorrect impression of the word converge, it's fine if you don't agree with me but why warp English?

The fact is if it is instant the word converge is totally incorrect no matter how much the English is warped.

Converge is this case means form. As in literally the elements that constitute Amaterasu come together/converge/form then affix themselves to what the user is focused on. But at that specific point as in no travel.

 

[Strict]

Erm, that was the whole point of that zooming effect? Why would Kishi otherwise make three panels to show different close up of the 8-Tails? When he simply could've just straightaway shown a panel of Bee being burned by Amaterasu. U_U

Why didn't Kishimoto just show the flame itself traveling from Sasukes to Hachibis directions . That the dashes illustrate the flames traveling is just your interpretation, my interpretation is that Kishimoto showed us how this flame is going to arise before him. Because otherwise Kishimoto would show us the flames traveling.

And Mauntens pages just proofs that I'm right. Do you see the flames traveling to Nagato? No, Itachi is aiming at him in the right picture and then Nagato is shown to already burn in the picture next to that. No flames which travel and approaching him, no, he IS burning when Itachi aims for him. Just like Danzo burned when Sasuke aimed for him. Why are you twisting the facts? The flames, I'm talking about the flames, where never shown to travel, there were always shown to converge exactly at that point, where the Sharingans aims for. Started with a little flame, it unfolds itself instantly and hits you if you can't escape from the Sharingans sight.

And who actually cares about whether it appears or travels instantly; as long as you cannot escape from the Sharingans sight (and this is only possible with As speed who is using his Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 and the Shunshin no Jutsu), you will get hit by this flame anyways, so who cares about?

I'm out here.

 

[sasori345]

instant = not traveliing = space time technique since there is no travel in space from point A to point B

amaterasu isn't space time technique, the bullet is travelling in space, it's very fast but not space time technique.It doesn't appear on target like kamui.
Kamui ins instant on the target, not amaterasu.

 

[Retsu]

Fair enough, but Amaterasu is not a projectile. It materializes wherever the user looks so, how can it be a projectile? It does not travel.

so how was raikage able to dodge it then?


Clearly those flames went from point a to b when the Samurai was hit

 

[Maunten]

No. I used momentum as a time measurement unit, like 'moment'. Not to indicate that it has an actual impact or even travels. Sorry for that misconception. Just replace 'momentum' with 'moment'.

It is you who does not get the point. Those two panels are in slow motion. Ae was in Sasuke's field of view, but not long enough for the flames to actually attach to his body. I could throw that question right back at you; why should they actually travel when they 'ignite whomever the user focuses on'? As it seems, they do indeed need a minute amount of time, may it only be a tenth part of a second, to attach to the enemy, or rather to 'unfold', which is the reason Ae was able to dodge them. There's nothing implying that they travel.

That entire travelling makes no sense, since we saw it being used on various ranges, and they always appeared instantly. Are you telling me that the speed Amaterasu travels varies?

Your example of Sasuke is actually working against you. It does not show the flames travel, it shows Sasuke's sight travels. It shows Sasuke focusing his eye on Gyuuki's face. Again in slow-motion, obviously, since Gyuuki is not using an inch.

No, I don't think what you are doing is here right.

You need to make much more assumptions than I do an this is usually an indication that what I am saying is closer to the truth.

You have come up with terms like unfold and attach, to describe Amaterasu, when they can just be explained with the ever familiar katon = projectile explanation.

You can't say The flames attach, if you also say they are meant to ignite, when you ignite fuel are you attaching flames to it or creating flames from it with a spark.

The description by that Shinobi was, "Wherever the user looks", not focuses on, those words mean different things.

Sasuke is looking at A yes, but he is also looking in front of himself, the flames appear in front of him (he ignites the area immediately in front of his eyes creating the black flames), and then converge at his focal point ("A"), the converge part gives him the ability to move the flames with his eyes.

When A dodges the flames, they continue on their trajectory, due A's speed, as well as the speed of the flames and the distance of the Samurai, Sasuke was not able to use his control of the flames in time to redirect them as Itachi did when he fought Sasuke.

Both Zetsu's and that Shinobi's (forgot his name) descriptions are correct, as they describe why the flames appear, and how they are controlled.


Also I would appreciate a DB scan of C & P for blaze release thank you.

Why didn't Kishimoto just show the flame itself traveling from Sasukes to Hachibis directions . That the dashes illustrate the flames traveling is just your interpretation, my interpretation is that Kishimoto showed us how this flame is going to arise before him. Because otherwise Kishimoto would show us the flames traveling.

And Mauntens pages just proofs that I'm right. Do you see the flames traveling to Nagato? No, Itachi is aiming at him in the right picture and then Nagato is shown to already burn in the picture next to that. No flames which travel and approaching him, no, he IS burning when Itachi aims for him. Just like Danzo burned when Sasuke aimed for him. Why are you twisting the facts? The flames, I'm talking about the flames, where never shown to travel, there were always shown to converge exactly at that point, where the Sharingans aims for. Started with a little flame, it unfolds itself instantly and hits you if you can't escape from the Sharingans sight.

And who actually cares about whether it appears or travels instantly; as long as you cannot escape from the Sharingans sight (and this is only possible with As speed who is using his Raiton no Yoroi lv. 2 and the Shunshin no Jutsu), you will get hit by this flame anyways, so who cares about?

I'm out here.

Nagato's page actually does show it travelling I indicated where.

Converge is this case means form. As in literally the elements that constitute Amaterasu come together/converge/form then affix themselves to what the user is focused on. But at that specific point as in no travel.

Converge means to converge, Zetsu said the flames converge not the elements of Amaterasu, I am not sure what you meant by elements of Amaterasu.

 

[captainEO]

Converge means to converge, Zetsu said the flames converge not the elements of Amaterasu, I am not sure what you meant by elements of Amaterasu.

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I'm not wasting any more time with you. you're crazy

 

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No. I used momentum as a time measurement unit, like 'moment'. Not to indicate that it has an actual impact or even travels. Sorry for that misconception. Just replace 'momentum' with 'moment'.

It is you who does not get the point. Those two panels are in slow motion. Ae was in Sasuke's field of view, but not long enough for the flames to actually attach to his body. I could throw that question right back at you; why should they actually travel when they 'ignite whomever the user focuses on'? As it seems, they do indeed need a minute amount of time, may it only be a tenth part of a second, to attach to the enemy, or rather to 'unfold', which is the reason Ae was able to dodge them. There's nothing implying that they travel.

That entire travelling makes no sense, since we saw it being used on various ranges, and they always appeared instantly. Are you telling me that the speed Amaterasu travels varies?

Your example of Sasuke is actually working against you. It does not show the flames travel, it shows Sasuke's sight travels. It shows Sasuke focusing his eye on Gyuuki's face. Again in slow-motion, obviously, since Gyuuki is not using an inch.

Your statement,which I have underlined, actually favours towards my argument. Why wasn't there long enough time for the flames to 'attach to his body' if the flames ignite whoever the eye focuses on. If the flames appears then it should've hit A the moment Sasuke had his eyes, regardless slow-motion or not. If you had read my laser pen example in the first page then you would've understood my point.

Bold: Sasuke's eyesight travelling? Are you telling me Sasuke had to focus his eyes on a huge beast in front of him? Anyway, Sasuke was not focusing on Hachibi's face because the page I showed you clearly shows that there is no Amaterasu on his face but around his tentacles. It is only the left panel shows it covering around his body.

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And no I am not implying Amaterasu's speed of travelling varies. Since you are keen on stating the effects such as slow-motion, I should also point out that the rest of the time Amaterasu was used it was in normal speed and didnt need to require the implications that it travels. Amaterasu seems instant because it travels/moves/converges at insane speed.