S.A = The Fastest Projectile From Sasuke, Amaterasu Is Not Instant.

[FloriGlori]

Can't you see the clear difference between appearing and traveling? They appeared right before Ae, who moved out of Sasuke's vision. After they unfolded, they started to move to the Samurai, who stood right behind Ae. The difference is drawing is clearly visible.

Of course, after they appeared they travel. But they do appear. Instantly. One can clearly see the difference. If they were actually moving, we'd see flames bursting back like they did against Gaara every single time.

 

[Maunten]

Here we go again. Are you aware that Kishimoto showed us the moment when Amaterasu appeared before A in slow motion? Amaterasu appears rightly before its target, but A managed to escape from Sasukes sight before the flame has unfold itself. You got the wrong idea from Amaterasu. Amaterasu appears wherever the Sharingan is aiming for.

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Do you see Amaterasu traveling here? No, the flame appears rightly before A but since he is able to escape from the Sharingans sight, the flame can't unfold in time. And since Kishimoto showed us this moment in very slow motion, you can consider how fast Amaterasu is in the normal case. It's called instant my friend.



You always try to downplay the Sharingan, whether through the Byakugan or now with Amaterasu. You however failed.

I do not try and downplay them, what is wrong with Ama being a projectile, would rather it is some sort of unnecessary instant kill that can be spammed?

I'm not downplaying them I am making them usable in logical debates.

I have not failed at all, I provide evidence, where did you see the description "Amatererasu has to unfold", it either hits or it does not.

Just like any Katon ball, when it is first released the ball expands as it travels, the Amaterasu did not unfold.

If Amaterasu is instant A's speed should not matter, the moment it is used it should already be attached to him.

 

[Frikid]

tell me one person who can dodge amaterasu but not susano arrow ?

 

[-Logic-]

It's as simple as this;

Amaterasu DOES NOT travel, but Enton does, because it manipulate EXISTING flames which DO move from where the flames WERE to another place.

Amaterasu does NOT travel, it materializes where the user is looking, that's how it works. If it traveled it'd look like this;

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Forgive the bad drawing xd but if Amaterasu travelled you'd see it travel, even if it's fast you'll see it slightly. It'd travel at stage 1, 2, 3 and then finally four where it hits him but no, it materializes on him because it doesn't travel. It's created where the user is looking. I hope this I made it so that this /thread.​

 

[Frikid]

lol logic xd

i think it travels with speed of light xd

its way easier to understand like this ^ ând your drawing is

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

It's as simple as this;

Amaterasu DOES NOT travel, but Enton does, because it manipulate EXISTING flames which DO move from where the flames WERE to another place.

Amaterasu does NOT travel, it materializes where the user is looking, that's how it works. If it traveled it'd look like this;

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Forgive the bad drawing xd but if Amaterasu travelled you'd see it travel, even if it's fast you'll see it slightly. It'd travel at stage 1, 2, 3 and then finally four where it hits him but no, it materializes on him because it doesn't travel. It's created where the user is looking. I hope this I made it so that this /thread.​

Read what I have to say on the first page. Amaterasu travels in a linear direction. U_U

 

[-Logic-]

Read what I have to say on the first page. Amaterasu travels in a linear direction. U_U

It makes sense the way you've tried to explained it, but ah... we can't win like this. Kishi needs to explain it, because at this point we can't be sure xd

 

[OWanime]

Amaterasu appears not travels to the point of focus that's like saying kamui travels to the target. No it simply appears where the user's focus is and if it doesn't reach then it will travel as a projectile until it hits its intended target or the user is out of chakra xd

 

[Strict]

Yes, Amaterasu isn't traveling since we would see it traveling otherwise. A is moving with lightning speed so of course he can escape from Sasukes sight; and since he did it, Amaterasu appeared where Sasukes Sharingan was focusing on. All pages where Amaterasu was used show that Amaterasu appears where the Sharingan is aiming for. Those dashes Kishimoto is drawing around Amaterasu are just effects which show that an attack is arising, just like the sound effects in the most pictures. This dashes were leading in the middle to simply focus the attention to Amaterasu which is appearing at that spot. You just take this things too seriously.

If Amaterasu was traveling, it would look like this:

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Amaterasu is following Sasuke since Itachi is following Sasuke with his eye; Amaterasu doesn't start to travel from Itachis direction, it follows him from the direction Itachi is aiming for, because Amaterasu in facts appears wherever he aims for.

Amaterasu is said to be appearing where the user is aiming for, so stay by the facts giving you in the Manga.

 

[Maunten]

Yes, Amaterasu isn't traveling since we would see it traveling otherwise. A is moving with lightning speed so of course he can escape from Sasukes sight; and since he did it, Amaterasu appeared where Sasukes Sharingan was focusing on. All pages where Amaterasu was used show that Amaterasu appears where the Sharingan is aiming for. Those dashes Kishimoto is drawing around Amaterasu are just effects which show that an attack is arising, just like the sound effects in the most pictures. This dashes were leading in the middle to simply focus the attention to Amaterasu which is appearing at that spot. You just take this things too seriously.

If Amaterasu was traveling, it would look like this:

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Amaterasu is following Sasuke since Itachi is following Sasuke with his eye; Amaterasu doesn't start to travel from Itachis direction, it follows him from the direction Itachi is aiming for, because Amaterasu in facts appears wherever he aims for.

Amaterasu is said to be appearing where the user is aiming for, so stay by the facts giving you in the Manga.

So it will look like that every time?

Kishi drew it the way that he wanted to, he illustrated characteristics of Ama that would indicate it travels without drawing it like this.

Also it is hard to run from a Kato successfully, so how many times would a running target need to be illustrated? Once, three times max.

 

[Maunten]

Amaterasu appears not travels to the point of focus that's like saying kamui travels to the target. No it simply appears where the user's focus is and if it doesn't reach then it will travel as a projectile until it hits its intended target or the user is out of chakra xd

Kamui is a space time tech, Ama is a Katon.

Kamui warps the focal point, Ama flames converge at it.

The flames appear instantly as any Katon does, but they do not appear instantly on the target, the travel towards it.

 

[-Logic-]

Good lawd, Strict already shat on this thread and you're blatantly ignoring him. Gah, what a waste of time.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Yes, Amaterasu isn't traveling since we would see it traveling otherwise. A is moving with lightning speed so of course he can escape from Sasukes sight; and since he did it, Amaterasu appeared where Sasukes Sharingan was focusing on. All pages where Amaterasu was used show that Amaterasu appears where the Sharingan is aiming for. Those dashes Kishimoto is drawing around Amaterasu are just effects which show that an attack is arising, just like the sound effects in the most pictures. This dashes were leading in the middle to simply focus the attention to Amaterasu which is appearing at that spot. You just take this things too seriously.

If Amaterasu was traveling, it would look like this:

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Amaterasu is following Sasuke since Itachi is following Sasuke with his eye; Amaterasu doesn't start to travel from Itachis direction, it follows him from the direction Itachi is aiming for, because Amaterasu in facts appears wherever he aims for.

Amaterasu is said to be appearing where the user is aiming for, so stay by the facts giving you in the Manga.

Your first statement is hypocritical. You say A managed to get away from Sasuke's sight yet Amaterasu was already set off. This can only mean that A was already on Sasuke's sight to set off the Amaterasu in the first place. Which one is it?

Also we can clearly see that Amaterasu was there while A was just standing there, then A moved and it was not on him. There was a moment in time when both amaterasu and A were present in the same place, but A wasn't ignited, meaning that Amaterasu travels quite fast.

Your page depicting Sasuke vs Itachi is not doing you any favour since that match was fixed and there was no real intention from Itachi hurting Sasuke.

Also please read my first post in the first page.

 

[Champ]

It is instant it's only if the opponent is fast enough to get out of the user line of vision, which only a few ppl can do

 

[Maunten]

Good lawd, Strict already shat on this thread and you're blatantly ignoring him. Gah, what a waste of time.

I don't think he did, he gave an interpretation of a panel.

Stating that the Amaterasu "unfolded"...hmm, I have never heard this term used before, or seen it used in the manga when describing Katons. May I have a link please.

Oh also could I have a scan of databook blaze release description please as I can't find it.

Anyway, if it is not mentioned in the manga then it seems this "unfolding" description for a Amaterasu seems to be a term constructed to explain the seemingly expanding Amaterasu as it travels.

Those who want to prove that Amaterasu is instant would aim to explain the expansion, which is a factor typical of projectile Katons.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

It makes sense the way you've tried to explained it, but ah... we can't win like this. Kishi needs to explain it, because at this point we can't be sure xd

He already has through the use of Zetsu and numerous actions from the manga.

 

[Strict]

Good lawd, Strict already shat on this thread and you're blatantly ignoring him. Gah, what a waste of time.

Don't know what else I should say :shrug:

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It was explained how this technique is working but it seems that someone like Maunten knows it better with his interpretations.

 

[lionel654]

nice thread always though ama.... was an instant hit on the target. but by looking at how danzou can see it coming and he is slow as hell makes me think it prob does travel.

 

[FloriGlori]

Your first statement is hypocritical. You say A managed to get away from Sasuke's sight yet Amaterasu was already set off. This can only mean that A was already on Sasuke's sight to set off the Amaterasu in the first place. Which one is it?

Also we can clearly see that Amaterasu was there while A was just standing there, then A moved and it was not on him. There was a moment in time when both amaterasu and A were present in the same place, but A wasn't ignited, meaning that Amaterasu cannot simply ignite on whatever you're looking at.

Your page depicting Sasuke vs Itachi is not doing you any favour since that match was fixed and there was no real intention from Itachi hurting Sasuke.

Also please read my first post in the first page.

So, what do all those things indicate? Simple, that there's a minute momentum, a split second that the flames need to attach to the enemy. And that instant is the time Ae used to escape. Normaly we see Amaterasu attaching to the enemy 'instantly', because we see it in real motion; but against Ae we saw it in slow motion, which also is the reason we could actually see him moving. It's really not that complicated.

As for Maunten questioning the term 'unfolding', it is said nowhere, but shown countless times. Amaterasu starts as a small convergence before it 'unfolds' and its flames spread into all directions.

 

[Maunten]

Don't know what else I should say :shrug:

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It was explained how this technique is working but it seems that someone like Maunten knows it better with his interpretations.

It is not an interpretation, I can read, they converge at the focal point.

If you like I can copy and paste some descriptions, actually I will, and I'll give pictures. (at the bottom)

They burn everything in the line of sight because the flames are controlled by his eyes, you, I believe, have jumped to the conclusion that there is some type of space time power involved.

Pictures and definitions for converge​

con·verge
verb /kənˈvərj/ 
converged, past participle; converged, past tense; converges, 3rd person singular present; converging, present participle

(of several people or things) Come together from different directions so as eventually to meet
- convoys from America and the UK traversed thousands of miles to converge in the Atlantic
- two separate people whose lives converge briefly from time to time

Come from different directions and meet at (a place)
- half a million sports fans will converge on the capital

(of a number of things) Gradually change so as to become similar or develop something in common
- two cultures converged as the French settled Vermont

(of lines) Tend to meet at a point
- a pair of lines of longitude are parallel at the equator but converge toward the poles

(of a series) Approximate in the sum of its terms toward a definite limit
- the powers of e therefore converge very slowly

I also study mathematics, and when I am dealing with certain problems that require iterations, the results often Converge towards the actually solution.

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I used these because the focal point is illustrated.​