[RP] Swift Release's Abilities and Restrictions

[Typhon]

There's a difference between not being able to follow movements and not being able to respond. Dojutusu don't make you faster they simply let you follow faster movements. You may not be capable of countering a swift attack by parrying the attack, but if you use an all around defense you won't have a problem.

 

[-Yard-]

I believe Drizzeh's reference to the abuse of Swift and his comparison to FTG are the result of a recent argument made by a Swift user which involved his statement that the Wiki described Swift as being nearly instantaneous which he stated caused his opponent to die without chance to respond, or something to that effect. Against an opponent without Doujutsu or another form of enhanced sensing, if you can claim that your attacks happen so quickly that your opponent can not respond, then there is little difference from Space/Time.

Doesn't mean it's impossible to counter. I suggest you read my other post and the ones already posted on the thread. There are several ways to counter it. If you just stand there and try to defend shadowless flight with your own basic speed, yes, you would die. But that's why people should use their head a little more. There are simple techniques which can counter it. Followed by placing light weight armor on your bio. Which even then, isn't needed when you have the jutsu list, 5 elements and ninjutsu with some rp knowledge to figure out which technique to use to counter and when to use it to defend.

There's a difference between not being able to follow movements and not being able to respond. Dojutusu don't make you faster they simply let you follow faster movements. You may not be capable of countering a swift attack by parrying the attack, but if you use an all around defense you won't have a problem.

*Applause* Exactly.

 

[ReXii]

=| Seventy-five percent of "really freaking fast" is still incredibly fast. Raikage's Armor ~ Minato's base speed. Ergo, Swift release is almost as fast as Minato. This wouldnt be much of a problem were it not for several things: ridiculously easy accessibility, inevitable argument of "you can't react fast enough" (especially to those without Sharingan), and the ease it can be spammed. Not to overlook the capability for extremly easy OHKO, which, while you've tried to down play, you have not refuted as fact.

I wont refute OHKO but i wont confirm that swift release is the only way to attain a OHKO.
I could hit most people with OHKO from my generation and thats not me being egotistical its just i like the principle of making a match like a game of chess and in every game there is always plenty of ways for a sure fire win if your in the right situation thats just the fact of things.

But swift release is not unstoppable and your right people cant react to your speed sure but that doesnt mean they cant counter just because your moving faster.

There is such a thing as planning ahead if someone vanishes because there moving that fast 9 times out of 10 there attempting to get short range and behind you thats a fact of combat that every fighter knows its your weakest point and is completely undefended so you simply use any area of effect technique thats 360 degrees or a large scale area and your fine.

 

[Drizzy]

It doesn't matter if it's easy to counter? Really? Your thread is saying how swift is hard to counter so it must be restricted even more. Then, when we say that it's easy to counter, you start to say that it's not fun to spam one technique. Well drizzy I'm sorry that you are possibly tied up in a dark room like Nagato and get an electrical shock every time someone miss uses a technique that is easy to counter, that it effects you so much that it must be restricted heavily because you think that it's comparable to FTG.


Really, Space/time cannot be compared to swift release. You compare it to a minato bio, yet minato can move at his speed, free-forming without the need of posting a jutsu, and then to make it an overkill he has FTG, but no one complains about that. Swift release is no big deal, it's just for those who are more into taijutsu and want a slight increase on their bio in terms of tai. Swift isn't as powerful as a kg like a doujutsu is. Hell, it can't even create excess chakra to be used for attacks like other elemental chakra can. It's souly based for speed and even with that, it can be countered, but you want it restricted more? That's complete nonsense.


Yes, swift release has a high speed, but it is severely easy to counter. But you say, it doesn't matter if it's easy to counter, it shouldn't be abused. How do you abuse a technique that can be countered easily? You think because it takes the fun out of the RP it should be restricted? By saying that you are taking the ones who you see "Abuse" a technique and trying to ruin it for the rest of the ones who do not. The technique is not even op nor is it abuse-able if it is easy to counter.


I do think it should require mod permission, for the sake of those who cannot think "hard enough" rolleyes to counter the technique, but even then restricting the actual release further or lowering the speed just because people can't think logically is an out-rage. If you don't want to fight someone who has swift release just because you can't think of how to counter it, put it in the thread. But by all means, restricting the speed or the release user restrictions like range, isn't necessary. The only restrictions I would like added, is to make a 6 month membership and permission from a moderator to make the bio.


A test for the release is laughable because once you either place armor in your bio, use rock armor or use that one technique or of several other techniques, the release becomes only useful for dodging techniques etc. Which then, you might complain "Well that person can just avoid any combo" Well then why is that person even RP'ing? Restricting the speed or restricting the release isn't really even needed.


Once you figure out how to counter swift, the person basically just has a normal bio in terms of him using it to just attack you with it i.e kunai to the throat. It's severely unfair to the release and the members that use it to just restrict it because people can't use their heads to figure out a counter to it. The 3T, is just there as a means of saying how fast it is, you can counter the technique without the need of 3T if you use your head a little more. Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing people jump to restricting a technique just because they cannot figure out how to counter it. It's a major insult to the release and the ones who use it.

To be honest, I only read the first paragraph and glimpsed a couple sections of the rest. Your argument here is that I don't know how to counter Swift Release, so it seems you like to push your brain into looking so deep into things to sound smart, when what you're saying is only an assumption. I've made several suggestions on NB, and if you should search through them, I don't speak for myself, but those who don't speak, or those who can't speak because they simply don't know how to.

There are multiple ways to counter from swift release through use of multiple elements/techniques. My way to go would be earth or lightning depending on the situation. Swift Release isn't OP, and what got me to make this thread is when I noticed that there are so much more swift release bios now than when it was limited to short range. People spam it, I type in shadowless flight in the battle arena and all I see is threads involved in the same users over and over, one of them being Rexii.

This is the reason RP so much rules now, because people abuse and take advantage of everything. Your statement of "those who can't think hard enough", what does it mean? Does it mean that you/others spam it to see if others can think hard enough?

Of course you disagree, because you made a swift bio for the speed. I didn't state in my thread to weaken swift, but to put things in place so that anyone can just spam it. This can be achieved through simply gaining mod permission. If the mod thinks you're not ready, he will simply decline.

 

[ReXii]

To be honest, I only read the first paragraph and glimpsed a couple sections of the rest. Your argument here is that I don't know how to counter Swift Release, so it seems you like to push your brain into looking so deep into things to sound smart, when what you're saying is only an assumption. I've made several suggestions on NB, and if you should search through them, I don't speak for myself, but those who don't speak, or those who can't speak because they simply don't know how to.

There are multiple ways to counter from swift release through use of multiple elements/techniques. My way to go would be earth or lightning depending on the situation. Swift Release isn't OP, and what got me to make this thread is when I noticed that there are so much more swift release bios now than when it was limited to short range. People spam it, I type in shadowless flight in the battle arena and all I see is threads involved in the same users over and over, one of them being Rexii.

This is the reason RP so much rules now, because people abuse and take advantage of everything. Your statement of "those who can't think hard enough", what does it mean? Does it mean that you/others spam it to see if others can think hard enough?

Of course you disagree, because you made a swift bio for the speed.

So let me get this straight....You made this because i use my KG a lot....Why else would i have the ability....Why dont you make a thread about uchiha because i can pretty much guarantee they all say "3T activated" in there very first post U_U

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

There's a difference between not being able to follow movements and not being able to respond. Dojutusu don't make you faster they simply let you follow faster movements. You may not be capable of countering a swift attack by parrying the attack, but if you use an all around defense you won't have a problem.

And, by the speed chart, which is the basis of Swifts strength in the RP (and don't say that the speed chart isn't supposed to be RPed by; I know that, but again, it's were the provlems with Swift come from), a person without a Doujutsu cannot even react to, much less see a Swift user.

I wont refute OHKO but i wont confirm that swift release is the only way to attain a OHKO.
I could hit most people with OHKO from my generation and thats not me being egotistical its just i like the principle of making a match like a game of chess and in every game there is always plenty of ways for a sure fire win if your in the right situation thats just the fact of things.

But swift release is not unstoppable and your right people cant react to your speed sure but that doesnt mean they cant counter just because your moving faster.

There is such a thing as planning ahead if someone vanishes because there moving that fast 9 times out of 10 there attempting to get short range and behind you thats a fact of combat that every fighter knows its your weakest point and is completely undefended so you simply use any area of effect technique thats 360 degrees or a large scale area and your fine.

@Yard: I did, and I remain steadfast in my opinion. Your suggestion about restrictions? They would still be very easily obtainable, and so I scoff at that. As for the armor, etc, this will cause arguments, again, that either The opponent is too slow (either to use a Jutsu, or that the swift user simply bypasses the armor) to do anything. In the event that the user had Earth Spear activated prior, there comes the object of debate of its duration, it's ability to allow concurrent usage of other elements, and, again, the spam ability of Shadowless Flight. You mention the restriction of Raiton and Fuuton; laughable attempts at restrictions, at best, considering there are three other elements readily available, plus other techniques.

@ReXii: No, it is not the only way, but it is a ridiculously easy way, with practicly no restrictions, and practically uncounted able if used at the very start of a match. If used at the beginning if a match, there's not really anything that can be done. And that's not to mention when clones with access to Swift come into play.

 

[ReXii]

And, by the speed chart, which is the basis of Swifts strength in the RP (and don't say that the speed chart isn't supposed to be RPed by; I know that, but again, it's were the provlems with Swift come from), a person without a Doujutsu cannot even react to, much less see a Swift user.


@Yard: I did, and I remain steadfast in my opinion. Your suggestion about restrictions? They would still be very easily obtainable, and so I scoff at that. As for the armor, etc, this will cause arguments, again, that either The opponent is too slow (either to use a Jutsu, or that the swift user simply bypasses the armor) to do anything. In the event that the user had Earth Spear activated prior, there comes the object of debate of its duration, it's ability to allow concurrent usage of other elements, and, again, the spam ability of Shadowless Flight. You mention the restriction of Raiton and Fuuton; laughable attempts at restrictions, at best, considering there are three other elements readily available, plus other techniques.

@ReXii: No, it is not the only way, but it is a ridiculously easy way, with practicly no restrictions, and practically uncounted able if used at the very start of a match. If used at the beginning if a match, there's not really anything that can be done. And that's not to mention when clones with access to Swift come into play.

Agreed on some points Ke but in all honesty its very easy to counter i have countered it several times myself when fighting people like howard
Anyway im in the process of dropping swift simply to show people that it is in no way your KG that makes you good its how you yourself use the techniques.
Since lately everyone seems to bitch about such things and its simply because they are unable to use it themselves that they view it as unfair because if they did research like us users of the KG have they would also know its weak points but they do not.

Brings memorys of the last bitchathon we had about ink and heat sensing and other such stuff that is also incredibly simple to counter given the right brain.

 

[Drizzy]

So let me get this straight....You made this because i use my KG a lot....Why else would i have the ability....Why dont you make a thread about uchiha because i can pretty much guarantee they all say "3T activated" in there very first post U_U

This thread isn't about you, it's about abuse. As I've seen in the taka vs kumo thread, you act all high and mighty. you want to take on multiple members at once, people are obsessed with "power/abilities" these days, when it just proves how low they can be. People are afraid to fight in a basic 5 only match, because they don't have CJ and CE to rely on.Using myself as an example, I had a dark release bio for about 2, probably 3 months, out of all that time and all those fights, I only used dark release techniques twice (probably once). I've joineed the nekura clan, yet I never used any of it's abilities. I take a look in the battle arena, first posts filled with S ranks, posts after followed by walls of arguments. Howard is the only one I see that doesn't spam swift these days.

All the same, even if a better restriction system is added, it won't have much effect on the abuse as said by Keotsu.

 

[Bhil]

To be honest, I only read the first paragraph and glimpsed a couple sections of the rest. Your argument here is that I don't know how to counter Swift Release, so it seems you like to push your brain into looking so deep into things to sound smart, when what you're saying is only an assumption. I've made several suggestions on NB, and if you should search through them, I don't speak for myself, but those who don't speak, or those who can't speak because they simply don't know how to.

I was about to suggest the same thing though I'm too lazy. Drizzy speaks for me. U_U

 

[Typhon]

And, by the speed chart, which is the basis of Swifts strength in the RP (and don't say that the speed chart isn't supposed to be RPed by; I know that, but again, it's were the provlems with Swift come from), a person without a Doujutsu cannot even react to, much less see a Swift user.


@Yard: I did, and I remain steadfast in my opinion. Your suggestion about restrictions? They would still be very easily obtainable, and so I scoff at that. As for the armor, etc, this will cause arguments, again, that either The opponent is too slow (either to use a Jutsu, or that the swift user simply bypasses the armor) to do anything. In the event that the user had Earth Spear activated prior, there comes the object of debate of its duration, it's ability to allow concurrent usage of other elements, and, again, the spam ability of Shadowless Flight. You mention the restriction of Raiton and Fuuton; laughable attempts at restrictions, at best, considering there are three other elements readily available, plus other techniques.

@ReXii: No, it is not the only way, but it is a ridiculously easy way, with practicly no restrictions, and practically uncounted able if used at the very start of a match. If used at the beginning if a match, there's not really anything that can be done. And that's not to mention when clones with access to Swift come into play.

If that's the case it's doesn't make much sense. A person with a dojutsu has the same physical movement speed as someone without dojutsu. It has no impact on physical capability. My interpretation of it is that a person with a dojutsu can react to the specific attack whereas a person lacking dojutsu would only be able to react to the general movement. For example if someone uses a swift attack and tries to punch a sharingan user the sharingan user can turn and deflect or catch the punch because they can follow the movements. In the same situation a non-dojutsu user wouldnt be able to do the same because their eyes can't follow the attack; BUT they can use a more general defense like Nagashi for example.

Honestly I don't think there's a problem with swift. The problem is the persistent idea in our RP that speed is king. If that were the case then Gai and Lee would be the emperors of the world.

 

[ReXii]

This thread isn't about you, it's about abuse. As I've seen in the taka vs kumo thread, you act all high and mighty. you want to take on multiple members at once, people are obsessed with "power/abilities" these days, when it just proves how low they can be. People are afraid to fight in a basic 5 only match, because they don't have CJ and CE to rely on.Using myself as an example, I had a dark release bio for about 2, probably 3 months, out of all that time and all those fights, I only used dark release techniques twice (probably once). I've joineed the nekura clan, yet I never used any of it's abilities. I take a look in the battle arena, first posts filled with S ranks, posts after followed by walls of arguments.

Drizzy i offer to take on multiple members for the challenge and get off your high horse when i first joined you used A-S ranks against me when i had D rank water and thats it.

You didnt use Nekura techniques because there isnt any you genius and as for dark release its a completely different KG so you cant really compare it to swift or any speed enhancement.

I have a particular way of Rping and if i choose to use my KG over basic 5 then its my choice this entire thread is simply here because you cant stand the fact that people are using something that your not and because of that you want it restricted.

Again its nothing about me being high and mighty stop acting like a jealous ten year old because i like fighting more then one person at once.

Bitches be so jealous of my super saiyan swagger these days U_U

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Agreed on some points Ke but in all honesty its very easy to counter i have countered it several times myself when fighting people like howard
Anyway im in the process of dropping swift simply to show people that it is in no way your KG that makes you good its how you yourself use the techniques.
Since lately everyone seems to bitch about such things and its simply because they are unable to use it themselves that they view it as unfair because if they did research like us users of the KG have they would also know its weak points but they do not.

Brings memorys of the last bitchathon we had about ink and heat sensing and other such stuff that is also incredibly simple to counter given the right brain.

I'm quite aware that it's not the KG that nessessarily makes the warrior; I think I would know as I've NEVER had a special ability in my three years. However, that doesn't mean that I can't think that Swift is too powerful for what it is. I could probably counter it as well, but Swift is too easy to give the opponent absolutely no chance, due to the nature of the power itself. And again, I nod to clones, to accent my point.

 

[ReXii]

I'm quite aware that it's not the KG that nessessarily makes the warrior; I think I would know as I've NEVER had a special ability in my three years. However, that doesn't mean that I can't think that Swift is too powerful for what it is. I could probably counter it as well, but Swift is too easy to give the opponent absolutely no chance, due to the nature of the power itself. And again, I nod to clones, to accent my point.

Sure but its simply misunderstood power not overpower people cant fight speed for some reason so they call hax and im sorry to anyone who feels that way but it isnt going to change i love speed in everything every game i always play a rogue like class or dual wield warrior for speed and thats just the way i like to do things i mean i could give literally hundreds of techniques and combos and KG that beat someone who is fast

 

[-Yard-]

To be honest, I only read the first paragraph and glimpsed a couple sections of the rest. Your argument here is that I don't know how to counter Swift Release, so it seems you like to push your brain into looking so deep into things to sound smart, when what you're saying is only an assumption. I've made several suggestions on NB, and if you should search through them, I don't speak for myself, but those who don't speak, or those who can't speak because they simply don't know how to.

There are multiple ways to counter from swift release through use of multiple elements/techniques. My way to go would be earth or lightning depending on the situation. Swift Release isn't OP, and what got me to make this thread is when I noticed that there are so much more swift release bios now than when it was limited to short range. People spam it, I type in shadowless flight in the battle arena and all I see is threads involved in the same users over and over, one of them being Rexii.

This is the reason RP so much rules now, because people abuse and take advantage of everything. Your statement of "those who can't think hard enough", what does it mean? Does it mean that you/others spam it to see if others can think hard enough?

Of course you disagree, because you made a swift bio for the speed.

If you had read my entire post, you would see why I say it doesn't need to be restricted. But, instead you only read the first paragraph and then post. I'm saying that if it is a release that is so easy to counter, why should it be even more restricted? Why should the speed be lowered? Why should it have a test on it? I fail to see the big deal with swift release. I made a swift bio because I like taijutsu, because I do indeed like the speed, but I do not abuse it, the only times I ever battle anymore is when I battle with friends because it's more fun. You cannot abuse a technique that is easy to counter. That's like if everyones skin was as hard as steel and people complain about a guy who abuses a gun. It's impossible. Once one person counters swift release respectfully, and people see how easy it is, it will catch on and others who do not know how to counter it will do it as well. But saying I'm only disagreeing because I have a swift bio is being pretty near sighted. If I see someone trying to make swift seem completely over powered and un counterable when it isn't then yes, I will post explaining it isn't because it in no way is uncounterable. You don't see random techniques being restricted because people lack knowledge of how to counter, by techniques I mean the elemental ones. If a person can't counter mountain smash, they don't make a thread saying it should be restricted. Same goes for shadowless flight. You can counter the release with multiple techniques, there isn't anything to complain about.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

If that's the case it's doesn't make much sense. A person with a dojutsu has the same physical movement speed as someone without dojutsu. It has no impact on physical capability. My interpretation of it is that a person with a dojutsu can react to the specific attack whereas a person lacking dojutsu would only be able to react to the general movement. For example if someone uses a swift attack and tries to punch a sharingan user the sharingan user can turn and deflect or catch the punch because they can follow the movements. In the same situation a non-dojutsu user wouldnt be able to do the same because their eyes can't follow the attack; BUT they can use a more general defense like Nagashi for example.

Honestly I don't think there's a problem with swift. The problem is the persistent idea in our RP that speed is king. If that were the case then Gai and Lee would be the emperors of the world.

Regardless if it makes sense or not, that's the way it is, which isn't right. As much as it seems I problem with Swift (which I do), it is not tied to Swift singularly, as a have a similar distaste for the Sharingan, in part due to the fact that someone with the Sharingan could claim to be faster and more skilled than another in close range combat. A very personal bias expected from someone like myself, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that actual skill in something is over looked by "stats" and boosts due to things like the Sharingan and Swift.

And while that's your opinion, I respect that, but I disagree.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

This thread isn't about you, it's about abuse. As I've seen in the taka vs kumo thread, you act all high and mighty. you want to take on multiple members at once, people are obsessed with "power/abilities" these days, when it just proves how low they can be. People are afraid to fight in a basic 5 only match, because they don't have CJ and CE to rely on.Using myself as an example, I had a dark release bio for about 2, probably 3 months, out of all that time and all those fights, I only used dark release techniques twice (probably once). I've joineed the nekura clan, yet I never used any of it's abilities. I take a look in the battle arena, first posts filled with S ranks, posts after followed by walls of arguments. Howard is the only one I see that doesn't spam swift these days.

All the same, even if a better restriction system is added, it won't have much effect on the abuse as said by Keotsu.

I actually agree. Its kinda odd. Soon as the swift got turned from Short to LONG range. I saw swift bios everywhere. People just dont do it for fun no more i guess. hence why most mods dont RP much

I'm quite aware that it's not the KG that nessessarily makes the warrior; I think I would know as I've NEVER had a special ability in my three years. However, that doesn't mean that I can't think that Swift is too powerful for what it is. I could probably counter it as well, but Swift is too easy to give the opponent absolutely no chance, due to the nature of the power itself. And again, I nod to clones, to accent my point.

Again. I agree. I had swift before so i know a portion of how it works. and the fact they cant use Wind or Lightning (Which is pretty much nothing in close range) is nothing as we seen plenty times people died by a kunai to the spine.. Its just the abuse of techs and Kg. Similar To CJ junkys. but then again thats what they made them for. So i mean i do agree Swift is probally one of the fastest kg one person can get. BUT... that jutsu can easily be counterd by a Cj im gonna learn.

 

[-Yard-]

I actually agree. Its kinda odd. Soon as the swift got turned from Short to LONG range. I saw swift bios everywhere. People just dont do it for fun no more i guess. hence why most mods dont RP much



Again. I agree. I had swift before so i know a portion of how it works. and the fact they cant use Wind or Lightning (Which is pretty much nothing in close range) is nothing as we seen plenty times people died by a kunai to the spine.. Its just the abuse of techs and Kg. Similar To CJ junkys. but then again thats what they made them for. So i mean i do agree Swift is probally one of the fastest kg one person can get. BUT... that jutsu can easily be counterd by a Cj im gonna learn.

Are you not even reading? I have posted ways to defend, someone even posted a major way to defend. You act as if the kg is some god ability. If you actually would read the thread, it does not require much effort to counter it.

 

[ReXii]

Are you not even reading? I have posted ways to defend, someone even posted a major way to defend. You act as if the kg is some god ability. If you actually would read the thread, it does not require much effort to counter it.

Its useless trying to explain it apparently

Oh well i mean this thread was good and imm'a let it finish....But Xanthe had the best pointless bitching thread ever.

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[KeotsuEclipse]

Its useless trying to explain it apparently

Oh well i mean this thread was good and imm'a let it finish....But Xanthe had the best pointless bitching thread ever.

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*Implying that we're stubborn people who won't accept solid fact, when it's an opinion being debated.*

Belittling your opponents does nothing to help your arguement. Both sides presented their views and opinions, and so there's nothing more to say. Comments like that do nothing.

 

[Coyote]

Okay I got a good way to defend...

When they swift away...
Start spinning with your arms flailing...
Win...