[Suggestion] [RP]Genjutsu

[RuckenTM]

I suggest Genjutsu may not last forever, and must have a maximum post duration. Logically, in Naruto if Genjutsu lasted forever, then one could Gen-rape the afflicted for eternity. If there is a Duration, then the Genjutsu must have a maintaining fee in chakra. This could simply be a chakra per turn cost, of course Genjutsu will have to be stating how long actively they're present.

 

[Joker]

I think it's fine the way it is now, lmao. Not to mention most illusions that I see with a lasting effect do have a turn limit.

 

[RuckenTM]

I think it's fine the way it is now, lmao. Not to mention most illusions that I see with a lasting effect do have a turn limit.

I don't want to hurt myself or use Kai on a D-Rank jutsu I can wait out, fam.

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So, at the moment, most Genjutsu don't have a time/turn-limit, what would happen?
A: That means they're meant to last for 1 turn before, fading out. Do take notice of their psychological effects; If a Genjutsu is placed upon you to sleep and was meant to fade out after 1 turn. That doesn't mean you'd wake up, as you'll need an assistance to wake you or rather sleep until the end of the match.

 

[Mellow]

Just break the gen lol

 

[RuckenTM]

Just break the gen lol

I've already said why doe...

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[Mellow]

I've already said why doe...

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There are so many ways to break Gen lol. Aren't you an uchiha anyways? You shouldn't even be struggling

U scared to hurt urself lol puzzy

 

[Urda]

I disagree, "One-Turn" duration is reasonable IMO. Besides, Genjutsu is a one-hit type of attack. The target is normally fighting off the Genjutsu in the next turn. Afterwards, If released, they suffer from the aftermath of the mental damage either way.

Also, the "Genjutsu may not last forever" statement is partially false. During Kakashi Gaiden, Rin was being interrogated by Genjutsu. The time may not have been tracked because it was done off-panel, but we can get a clear estimation that she was trapped in the Genjutsu for a long period of time before Kakashi and Obito's arrival. It was also shown that the caster did not focus on Rin during battle, which is an indication that the caster does not have to continually fuel the Genjutsu with chakra to maintain control.

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[RuckenTM]

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I disagree, "One-Turn" duration is reasonable IMO. It's a one-hit type of attack. The target is normally fighting off the Genjutsu in the next turn. Afterwards, If released, they suffer from the aftermath of the mental damage either way.

Also, the "Genjutsu may not last forever" statement is partially false. During Kakashi Gaiden, Rin was being interrogated by Genjutsu. The time may not have been tracked because it was down off-panel, but we can get a clear estimation that she was trapped in the Genjutsu for a long period of time before Kakashi and Obito's arrival.

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"Also, the "Genjutsu may not last forever" statement is partially false."...During Kakashi Gaiden, Rin was being interrogated by Genjutsu.

Quite very debatable, Genjutsu used on her could've been sustained or rather was meant to be for certain amount of time sir.

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It was also shown that the caster did not focus on Rin during battle, which is an indication that the caster does not have to continually fuel the Genjutsu with chakra to maintain control.

Since, when does one needing to focus on a jutsu equal fueling a jutsu with chakra? Handseals help you do that, they help you focus to mold chakra...chakra is always freely present...

 

[Pyro NB]

Break yourself free with logic in your counter if you can't do that then you don't need to win. It's simple really so there's no need for a turn limit.

 

[Urda]

Quite very debatable, Genjutsu used on her could've been sustained or rather was meant to be for certain amount of time sir.

"Based on how it is used..." yes

Note: I didn't want to use this scan because it is performed via Sharingan, but Sharingan Genjutsu is similar to regular Genjutsu IMO (unlike Tsukuyomi and Katoamatsukami).

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[RuckenTM]

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Break yourself free with logic in your counter if you can't do that then you don't need to win. It's simple really so there's no need for a turn limit.

Here's one for you:

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"Based on how it is used..." yes

Note: I didn't want to use this scan because it is performed via Sharingan, but Sharingan Genjutsu is similar to regular Genjutsu IMO (unlike Tsukuyomi and Katoamatsukami).

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Very Debatable. Explain to me how that post has debunked my suggestion?

 

[Pyro NB]

Here's one for you:

Not wanting to use kai is you just being lazy... and hurting yourself on a d rank... really what is that the equivalent of a summon bite to break? Stop trying to be lazy and just do the work besides usually if someone is casting a gen a jutsu is coming afterwards meaning if you "wait it out" you're probably gonna die anyways. So heres one for ya get creative break out of it and use skill to fight rather than trying to get the mods to make rp easier...

 

[Pervyy]

I'm just going to throw this out there:

Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight

1st hokage darkness gen, that didn't end until he was caught by the the reaper death seal, who knows how long it would last? For that simple reason alone we can't say that they need to have a time limit. Plus we have nothing to state how long a genjutsu should last, nor is there any need to.

A genjutsu effect lasts until broken or cancelled in the RP. No need to change anything. If you don't like gen go for a bio that's immune to it or just counter it like people have done for the last 7 years of RP.

 

[Urda]

Here's one for you:


Very Debatable. Explain to me how that post has debunked my suggestion?

Not all Genjutsu are applied the same. Some require contact while the majority of them are performed with a sequence of hand seals. The only Jutsu the require contact is Illusion Technique: Interrogation, but I already showed you an example of that being performed and Rin still trapped in the Genjutsu once he focus was turned to Kakashi and Obito.

Custom Jutsu are within Mods discretion, so I have no say in that.

 

[RuckenTM]

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Not wanting to use kai is you just being lazy... and hurting yourself on a d rank... really what is that the equivalent of a summon bite to break? Stop trying to be lazy and just do the work besides usually if someone is casting a gen a jutsu is coming afterwards meaning if you "wait it out" you're probably gonna die anyways. So heres one for ya get creative break out of it and use skill to fight rather than trying to get the mods to make rp easier...

Attack on Rucken lol OT; anyways besides, what's wrong with being lazy? That car/bike(if you have one) you drive, don't. That's being lazy to not walk or go ahead and thank the lazy minds that saved you time

if someone is casting a gen a jutsu is coming afterwards meaning if you "wait it out" you're probably gonna die anyways. So heres one for ya get creative break out of it and use skill to fight rather than trying to get the mods to make rp easier...

Funny you say that. I did some searching through history. Here's a fight I had, being in a genjutsu at that time and I still acted in the genjutsu>

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So, wait it out depends on situations.

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I'm just going to throw this out there:

Hiruzen vs Orochimaru fight

1st hokage darkness gen, that didn't end until he was caught by the the reaper death seal, who knows how long it would last? For that simple reason alone we can't say that they need to have a time limit. Plus we have nothing to state how long a genjutsu should last, nor is there any need to.

A genjutsu effect lasts until broken or cancelled in the RP. No need to change anything. If you don't like gen go for a bio that's immune to it or just counter it like people have done for the last 7 years of RP.

Given your're a Mod, I don't know if I am allowed to debate onward...was that an open discussion statement or not?

...For that simple reason alone we can't say that they need to have a time limit. Plus we have nothing to state how long a genjutsu should last, nor is there any need to.

I did say, sustaining the Genjutsu. I don't understand the "we have nothing part...". I'd thought it would've added depth in the Rp aspect.

 

[Urda]

Attack on Rucken lol OT; anyways besides, what's wrong with being lazy? That car/bike(if you have one) you drive, don't. That's being lazy to not walk or go ahead and thank the lazy minds that saved you time

Funny you say that. I did some searching through history. Here's a fight I had, being in a genjutsu at that time and I still acted in the genjutsu>

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So, wait it out depends on situations.

Given your're a Mod, I don't know if I am allowed to debate onward...was that an open discussion statement or not?

I did say, sustaining the Genjutsu. I don't understand the "we have nothing part...". I'd thought it would've added depth in the Rp aspect.

I hate Genjutsu with a passion (ironically I have an Uchiha Bio), so my first response is releasing it. Not everyone reaction is a quick release; some like to play it out as it could work into their favor as demonstrated in your fight.

 

[RuckenTM]

I hate Genjutsu with a passion (ironically I have an Uchiha Bio), so my first response is releasing it. Not everyone reaction is a quick release; some like to play it out as it could work into their favor as demonstrated in your fight.

Now if what I said was implemented, you'd not hate that field. Like you said, some would play it out...plus we have so much chakra and health...we need to burn some

 

[Mirai]

This guy smfh, anyway no genjutsu will not change to how its been working for the last couple years. I swear you make these threads just because things don’t go your way. Whats a simple knick to the finger gonna do? Bleed you to death? Come Rucken stop making these threads just cause stuff don’t go your way.

Anyway as shown in the panel by Anubis; Genjutsu doesn’t need to be actively manipulated nor maintained via chakra cost every turn. The chakra that is casted onto you pretty much “attaches” to the chakra streaming around your brain which then causes your basic 5 senses to be ****ed up. The only time its needed to be costly in terms of constant chakra cost is if the Genjutsu has manipulating effects that the user can constantly change throughout the illusion. Other than that it’s not needed

 

[Pyro NB]

This guy smfh, anyway no genjutsu will not change to how its been working for the last couple years. I swear you make these threads just because things don’t go your way. Whats a simple knick to the finger gonna do? Bleed you to death? Come Rucken stop making these threads just cause stuff don’t go your way.

Anyway as shown in the panel by Anubis; Genjutsu doesn’t need to be actively manipulated nor maintained via chakra cost every turn. The chakra that is casted onto you pretty much “attaches” to the chakra streaming around your brain which then causes your basic 5 senses to be ****ed up. The only time its needed to be costly in terms of constant chakra cost is if the Genjutsu has manipulating effects that the user can constantly change throughout the illusion. Other than that it’s not needed

This and pretty much everything everyone else has been saying...

 

[Scorps]

Genjutsu lasts until one of the following conditions are met (unless the techniques nature somehow determines otherwise):

1) it serves its purpose and accomplishes whats its supposed to accomplish. Example: Genjutsu that makes you see a fireball crashing the ground in front of you. Once the fireball actually crashes the ground, the illusion ends. It did what it was supposed to do. Genjutsu that makes you feel pain. Well, in this case, the effect of the genjutsu doesn't have an end...so we refer to the other conditions...

2) you release it, ending the technique

3) the user of the technique is knocked out or killed, terminating his conscious control over the technique. Now, in some cases, this doesn't need to happen. Itachi locked Kabuto in a genjutsu which couldn't be released, even if he disappeared (which he did eventually). There are then some techniques which can endure even after the caster is dead.

Still, Genjutsu is powerful yes but it is so in the Manga/Anime as well. Any ninja who is able to use genjutsu effectively is a treat and is considered dangerous. Considering how nerfed, defined and restricted Genjutsu is atm in the RP, I don't see any reason to further mess with it. Just learn to release/counter it.