Ron Paul was: GOP mulls return to gold standard

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Feds seize gold coins worth $80 mln from Pennsylvania family

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A federal judge has upheld a verdict that strips a Pennsylvania family of their grandfather’s gold coins — worth an estimated $80 million — and has ordered ownership transferred to the US government.

Judge Legrome Davis of the Eastern District Court of Pennsylvania affirmed a 2011 jury decision that a box of 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle coins discovered by the family of Israel Switt, a deceased dealer and collector, is the property of the United States.

In the midst of the Great Depression, then-President Franklin Roosevelt ordered that America’s supply of double eagles manufactured at the Philadelphia Mint be destroyed and melted into gold bars. Of the 445,500 or so coins created, though, some managed to escape the kiln and ended up into the hands of collectors. In 2003, Switt’s family opened a safe deposit back that their grandfather kept, revealing 10 coins among that turned out to be among the world’s most valuable collectables in the currency realm today.

Switt’s descendants, the Langbords, thought the coins had been gifted to their grandfather years earlier by Mint cashier George McCann and took the coins to the Mint to have their authenticity verified, but the government quickly took hold of the items and refused to relinquish the find to the family. The Langbords responded with a lawsuit that ended last year in a victory for the feds.

Because the government ordered the destruction of their entire supply of coins decades earlier, the court found that Switt’s family was illegally in possession of the stash. Even though they may had been presented to the dealer by a Philadelphia Mint staffer, Judge Davis agrees with last year’s ruling that Mr. McCann broke the law.

"The coins in question were not lawfully removed from the United States Mint,” the judge rules.

Despite this decision, though, the attorney representing Switt’s family says the government has no right to remove their own items and transfer property back to the state.

"This is a case that raises many novel legal questions, including the limits on the government's power to confiscate property. The Langbord family will be filing an appeal and looks forward to addressing these important issues before the 3rd Circuit," Barry Berke, an attorney for the Langbords, tells ABCNews.com
 

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Honestly, I feel like an idiot for continuously pointing out the problem but not a possible solution. I do think of it often, but I get discouraged because it's too hard to disarm the system.
Get people to vote for someone not in the big two parties is a big step
 

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I mean it's justified; these things aren't supposed to even exist. I mean it sucks thaat the family misses out on their 80mil payday, but illegitimate coins are illegitimate coins, no?
 

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I mean it's justified; these things aren't supposed to even exist. I mean it sucks thaat the family misses out on their 80mil payday, but illegitimate coins are illegitimate coins, no?
Really.... Gold stamped into a special pattern that people put rudimentary value on is not suppose to exist. Should we also ban Jesus toast



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Really.... Gold stamped into a special pattern that people put rudimentary value on is not suppose to exist. Should we also ban Jesus toast



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If and only if our president orders that this fine toast be melted into a gold bar. :rolleyes:

EDIT: From what I gather from the OP, it's not the "special pattern" of the gold coin that gives it it's value, it's the fact that it obviously should've been melted years ago AND that they're obviously extremely rare.

But I hope bet you already knew that.
 
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If and only if our president orders that this fine toast be melted into a gold bar. :rolleyes:

EDIT: From what I gather from the OP, it's not the "special pattern" of the gold coin that gives it it's value, it's the fact that it obviously should've been melted years ago AND that they're obviously extremely rare.

But I hope bet you already knew that.
I wish our president could melt toast into gold bars, solve all of our debt problems :D

So that gold bar should have been in a different pattern (brick) instead of being in the pattern that is exists currently. Yeah that totally makes a difference....

Gold is neither created nor destroyed, it is only changed in shape and form.
 

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I wish our president could melt toast into gold bars, solve all of our debt problems :D

So that gold bar should have been in a different pattern (brick) instead of being in the pattern that is exists currently. Yeah that totally makes a difference....

Gold is neither created nor destroyed, it is only changed in shape and form.
I mean I trust that FDR made a decent call in ordering these coins to be melted into bars. If I had to guess though, the Gold Reserve Act entailed making these coins into bars to help against the depression.

But since I'm neither from those times, nor a historian, nor know anything substantial about this particular topic, I can't tell you why these coins were ordered to be melted into bars.
 

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I mean I trust that FDR made a decent call in ordering these coins to be melted into bars. If I had to guess though, the Gold Reserve Act entailed making these coins into bars to help against the depression.

But since I'm neither from those times, nor a historian, nor know anything substantial about this particular topic, I can't tell you why these coins were ordered to be melted into bars.
Maby, maby not. However our currency is not backed by gold, or anything besides faith in govt, anymore so the government has no need for them besides pure and simple greed.

Government wants some money because its bankrupt and has no plans to fix it. It is called corruption.
 

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*sigh*

This is why I would never, ever, make such holdings known until the U.S. met its inevitable demise.

The legality of FDR's move is shaky, at best.

Of course... as well-intentioned as FDR was, his policies marked the first time where the federal government became such a force of intervention. Ironically, his efforts did more to hamper market recovery than to reinforce it.
 

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America's economy is dying,..... the feds need the gold
Funny thing about gold:

Following the discovery of America and the colonial expansion in the Caribbean and Continental America, valuable agricultural products and mineral resources were introduced into Spain through regular trade routes. New products such as potatoes, tomatoes and corn had a long-lasting impact on the Spanish economy, but more importantly on European demographics. Gold and silver bullion from American mines were used by the Spanish Crown to pay for troops in the Netherlands and Italy, to maintain the emperor's forces in Germany and ships at sea, and to satisfy increasing consumer demand at home. However, the large volumes of precious metals from America led to inflation, which had a negative effect on the poorer part of the population, as goods became overpriced. This also hampered exports, as expensive goods could not compete in international markets.
 

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I mean I trust that FDR made a decent call in ordering these coins to be melted into bars. If I had to guess though, the Gold Reserve Act entailed making these coins into bars to help against the depression.

But since I'm neither from those times, nor a historian, nor know anything substantial about this particular topic, I can't tell you why these coins were ordered to be melted into bars.
Because the Fed is trying to gather gold fromcall around the world for the sake of returning to the gold standard and dominate the world market. The Fed allready let us know sometime before that they haven't owned any gold since the 1930's. At present day, the dollar is worth nothing. They just keep the american economy from collapsing by printing more dollars. Qadhafi, the ex-dictator/president of Libiya who wanted to unite all African nations by implementing a gold currency system was a huge threat to the u.s. He also wanted to use ancient melted underground ice caps to create the world's most thriving ..water integration project? Again the U.S put a hold to this, as their global influence would be undermined.

Anyways, getting offtopic here.
You're somewhat condoning the Fed's actions but this case is actually a fine example of the underground totalitarian govt. that has all judges in their pockets. This case went against the constitution, period.
 
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