[Discussion] Roger, Prime WB, and Prime Garp vs 5 admirals
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Uzumaki Macho
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I don't see how the admirals win this. Team one obviously wins in your match-up.the Admirals win
put Roger, Garp, Whitebeard, Sengoku and Shanks vs 6 Admirals, hmmm let me think this one over
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Admirals lose lowest of high diff IMO.
An old , sick and beaten up WB alone can solo Akainu. WB is on par with Garp , and Roger is stronger then both. Imagine what they can do in their prime. Yonko level is stronger the Admiral level.
An old , sick and beaten up WB alone can solo Akainu. WB is on par with Garp , and Roger is stronger then both. Imagine what they can do in their prime. Yonko level is stronger the Admiral level.
We know nothing about green-bull but the admirals still win. I don't think Roger or WB in their prime can handle two admirals at the same time. They can probably high diff. an admiral in a 1v1 situation, whereas the current yonko's extreme diff an admiral. They're facing off against people who manipulate gravity, freeze large bodies of water in mere seconds, a dude who's a walking volcano, a troll that has incredible speed and precision/destructive feats with his finger beams & who knows what green bull's abilities are.
The 5 admirals win.
The 5 admirals win.
The Pirate King isn't the top of the OPV, Pirates aren't the only faction in OP, Fleet Admiral is his Marine equivalent, than there is the head of the Revolutionaries and goda knows what the WG has up its sleeves
Uzumaki Macho
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We already know Roger was the strongest of his era though, with WB and Garp right behind him.
All of that is useless infront of superior haki. Old, sick and injured Whitebeard with inability to use haki properly was brushing aside those walking volcanoes with haki imbued bisento alone during his clashes versus admirals. In his prime his haki was certainly much superior. Similarly, observation haki makes Light speed unimpressive. Hell Marco could intercept and send Kizaru flying despite his speed. So Prime Whitebeard will have little trouble against all this. Same goes for Roger.
Rayleigh implied that in his prime he could handle Kizaru, Sentoumaru, Kuma and Pacifistas at the same time, showing that there is a decent gap between him and an admiral like Kizaru while in his prime(probably something like high diff win) and Prime WB and Roger are stronger. Throughout the war it was even heavily implied that if WB was in his prime, he could have easily rescued Ace. It's a mid diff win against any individual admiral for them.
We don't even know that much of the haki feats of the admirals. We can assume it's good, I doubt any of them have terrible haki or the gap is that significant since they've been using it since they were a VA. Both Marco and Vista (portrayed to be near admiral level fighters) couldn't harm Akainu, even Vista coating his swords in CoA couldn't harm him. We can't assume that WB/Roger's haki is much superior to the admirals either. Besides, Old WB's CoA is no different from Prime WB's CoA. I don't think it works that way with haki. For example, look at Rayleigh, his CoO was still good despite being retired for years and he was able to keep up with Kizaru because of CoO. The admirals were able to hold down WB's bisento quite easily.
Not this again lol.
Kagustuchi
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Sengoku already hyped an Old Whitebeard above the Admirals, and the former was besting the strongest of latter. Then you put a guy stronger than Whitebeard in his prime and another that's on par with said character.
Its close but team 1 definitely takes this
Its close but team 1 definitely takes this
Rayleigh said your haki evolve in function of your personal growth. It's will power, so if your will and power gets weaker, so is your haki. There are instances where he tried to use COC haki to save Ace, but couldn't because of his illness. Marco said prime WB would have never been hit by Squardo(implying a deficiency in observation). Same thing with COA then
Also, in the Marco/Vista-Akainu sequence, Akainu was most likely shielding himself with full body haki at that moment the way he was walking slowly without even bothering to dodge attacks(despite being in the war of the best with great haki users) maybe with observation as well to predict attacks and dodge with his logia body manipulation. But eventhen, they did harm him considering he grunted a while after the cut(meaning they bypassed his full-body armament), but since Akainu is an endurance beast, he could still go on. We see injury on the neck here later, probably happened during that instance
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Old, sick and injured WB also bypassed Akainu's full body haki right afterwards in 2hits that almost critically KO'd him, so we know that in his prime, it should be much superior
No, this again
Well, yeah besides COCRayleigh said your haki evolve in function of your personal growth. It's will power, so if your will and power gets weaker, so is your haki. There are instances where he tried to use COC haki to save Ace, but couldn't because of his illness. Marco said prime WB would have never been hit by Squardo(implying a deficiency in observation). Same thing with COA then
Also, in the Marco/Vista-Akainu sequence, Akainu was most likely shielding himself with full body haki at that moment the way he was walking slowly without even bothering to dodge attacks(despite being in the war of the best with great haki users) maybe with observation as well to predict attacks and dodge with his logia body manipulation. But eventhen, they did harm him considering he grunted a while after the cut(meaning they bypassed his full-body armament), but since Akainu is an endurance beast, he could still go on. We see injury on the neck here later, probably happened during that instance
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Old, sick and injured WB also bypassed Akainu's full body haki right afterwards in 2hits that almost critically KO'd him, so we know that in his prime, it should be much superior
No, this again
. I'm talking about CoA specifically since we don't know COC's ability in combat yet or the full extent of it. All we know is that it can knock out opponents. My point with CoO still stands, Rayleigh has been retired for years and was still able to use CoO effectively against an admiral level fighter (being able to predict to his moves and where he'll move next). Rayleigh never complained about his haki being off point, it was more that he wanted to fight Kizaru in his prime so he can move more freely without getting fatigued so quickly. (implying it's more of an issue with being old than his haki)They didn't harm Akainu and why do you keep saying Akainu went FBH against WB? Neither of us can prove that since Oda never had a visual representation of CoA at the time.
Kagustuchi
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If certain uses of Haki can be diminished by incapability then why would Armanent be any different? Given the explanation of what Haki is, and how it can be improved then it should be able to diminish. Saying it can't just because it was never said that it wouldn't is kind of Jaded.Well, yeah besides COC
They didn't harm Akainu and why do you keep saying Akainu went FBH against WB? Neither of us can prove that since Oda never had a visual representation of CoA at the time.
Kagustuchi
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Cutting Kizaru doesn't imply that he hasn't gotten weaker, that must simply mean that in his prime he would have done better in Kizaru. Im not debating for some massive jump though. Enough to where he could Mid-Diff someone that he could High Diff while old.