Rinnegan's Weakness in comparison to Sharingan and Byakugan

[LoZelda101]

again, i was arguing for the user, the same way you argued that madara had a blindspot thus used limbo the same way I argued that him being a sensor proves he doesnt. you should have corrected me earlier.

I never argued about it until you brought up madara and his limbo and like i told arai sensing isn't enough to quality it as covering blind spots. it's not like sage mode, an ability that not only senses ANY threat, but appropriately dodge it in the correct manner. chakra sensing doesn't work that way and if it does it's very inconsistent user to user which is exactly why kishi drew those panels of his animal paths eyes literally right before killer bee was grabbed by nagato. you people over glorified the rinnegan to the point it's beyond logical. but the fact remains that without susanoo, limbo, animal path visions they are susceptible to being flanked. this is EXACTLY WHY kishi gave kaguya ALL three dojutsus(sort of)

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Do you left the part that he also can created two additional faces. Animal path no need to be summon.

Can nagato even do that? i know the ashura pain created faces. but i don't think nagato himself can.

edit: wiki says he can, so suppose that could work if he creates it at the start of the battle. it wouldn't solve all of his blind spot issues or 360 body continuous protection like susanoo but it's certainly an improvement.

 

[Holy God]

Why? It requires both techniques of the Mangekyo to be awakened which requires awakening the Mangekyo to even unlock those abilities.

As I said, Susano'o is a rarity. Every Mangekyou user awakens two techniques, but not all of them awaken Susano'o. I'll let it go however as he's given the Animal Path, which we have no idea whether the animals are constant for each Rinnegan user.

That's just it. the rinnegan is just pure power. nothing more. it doesn't have the healthy balance that uchiha's offer in most situations. you guys have been so manipulated by the rinnegan hype you forget that sharingan is equally a good tool in it's own way. the sharingan allows a user to resist gen, see chakra through debris, has 360 continuous protection. what made 6 paths of pain such a threat is that despite the lack of multiple jutsus per pain, they were all multiple, far more useful than animal paths and most likely have an easier time fighting genjutsu. nagato does not have that. he must suffer the biggest flaw of all. himself, madara knows this, which is why he used limbo to protect him.

I'm not sure what you mean by calling it "pure power" but if you mean if provides no defensive capabilities, then you're falsely mistaken. As for the Sharingan, it's completely lacking in any power. If you take a good look at it, it provides only enhanced vision. Take a step up to the Mangekyou, and nothing changes here besides gaining Susano'o. The Rinnegan as far as we know provides no vision supplements (which sounds retarded at the least), but the Six Paths Techniques are far too versatile.

As you've stated, the vision is covered by the Animal Path. Using the bird also gives one an aerial advantage. Combining that with the lizard allows for incognito traveling in air. Instant defense is covered by summoning the panda or the centipede which can create a complete barrier. Notice too that the summoning technique can be changed to the Amplification Summoning Technique which allows any of these Rinnegan creatures to multiply upon receiving damage. Unless one has a technique like Amaterasu, it'd be difficult-to-impossible to defeat them. It'd also be hard to attack with chakra-based techniques because of the Hungry Ghost Path, which can be set up as a bubble that renders most techniques useless. No reason to talk about the offense because that's self explanatory.

In summary, defense doesn't need to be a priority because one can be in the air, invisible, while the multitude of summons, including the Demonic Statue, wreck havoc upon the opponent. If it comes to hand-to-hand, the Rinnegan also handles that with deadly moves. The Mangekyou Sharingan is a great tool, but it cannot top the Six Paths' Eye.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Disagree, I think Rinnegan is definitely above MS.

 

[LoZelda101]

As I said, Susano'o is a rarity. Every Mangekyou user awakens two techniques, but not all of them awaken Susano'o. I'll let it go however as he's given the Animal Path, which we have no idea whether the animals are constant for each Rinnegan user.



I'm not sure what you mean by calling it "pure power" but if you mean if provides no defensive capabilities, then you're falsely mistaken. As for the Sharingan, it's completely lacking in any power. If you take a good look at it, it provides only enhanced vision. Take a step up to the Mangekyou, and nothing changes here besides gaining Susano'o. The Rinnegan as far as we know provides no vision supplements (which sounds retarded at the least), but the Six Paths Techniques are far too versatile.

As you've stated, the vision is covered by the Animal Path. Using the bird also gives one an aerial advantage. Combining that with the lizard allows for incognito traveling in air. Instant defense is covered by summoning the panda or the centipede which can create a complete barrier. Notice too that the summoning technique can be changed to the Amplification Summoning Technique which allows any of these Rinnegan creatures to multiply upon receiving damage. Unless one has a technique like Amaterasu, it'd be difficult-to-impossible to defeat them. It'd also be hard to attack with chakra-based techniques because of the Hungry Ghost Path, which can be set up as a bubble that renders most techniques useless. No reason to talk about the offense because that's self explanatory.

In summary, defense doesn't need to be a priority because one can be in the air, invisible, while the multitude of summons, including the Demonic Statue, wreck havoc upon the opponent. If it comes to hand-to-hand, the Rinnegan also handles that with deadly moves. The Mangekyou Sharingan is a great tool, but it cannot top the Six Paths' Eye.

Pure power as in it's offensive capability is it's primary function. the sharingan while it isn't as OP as the rinnegan. it's able to handle most situations better than rinnegan ie: gen, gen resistant, tai, foes hiding in cloud smoke bombs while still have decent protection and offensive jutsus. rinnegan is only as op if the foe their facing has no answers....look what happened to sharingan when faced against sage kabuto. kishi had pull izanami crap just to stop him. if the rinnegan user isn't OTK foes with CT or shinra, how is he going to win against multiple elite foes who are actually skilled? look at the madara vs gokage fight. do you really think madara would had won as easily if he didn't use sharingan abilities?

Disagree, I think Rinnegan is definitely above MS.

disagree to what exactly? it can't stop gen nor can it predict movements.

 

[ShiroT]

I never argued about it until you brought up madara and his limbo and like i told arai sensing isn't enough to quality it as covering blind spots. it's not like sage mode, an ability that not only senses ANY threat, but appropriately dodge it in the correct manner. chakra sensing doesn't work that way and if it does it's very inconsistent user to user which is exactly why kishi drew those panels of his animal paths eyes literally right before killer bee was grabbed by nagato. you people over glorified the rinnegan to the point it's beyond logical. but the fact remains that without susanoo, limbo, animal path visions they are susceptible to being flanked. this is EXACTLY WHY kishi gave kaguya ALL three dojutsus(sort of)

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Can nagato even do that? i know the ashura pain created faces. but i don't think nagato himself can.

edit: wiki says he can, so suppose that could work if he creates it at the start of the battle. it wouldn't solve all of his blind spot issues or 360 body continuous protection like susanoo but it's certainly an improvement.

"you people over glorified the rinnegan to the point it's beyond logical. "

"you people" lol. one of my first threads on this site was about how the rinnegan doesnt shit on the ms lol you people , you people crack me up




anyway. madara has the sages chakra which is nature energy thus giving him a sage mode(though no one calls it that) his body takes in sage energy the same way kabuto does it which means madara is a sage, and thus has the same threat perception that kabuto and naruto has.

"this is EXACTLY WHY kishi gave kaguya ALL three dojutsus(sort of)"

im not sure if you know what confirmation bias is but that is exactly what I kept telling you that you were doing. nothing supports kishi doing this for the reason you stated.

you say chakra sensing doesnt work in that way? well what is chakra sensing? is it not the ability to sense chakra(and by extension) sense people around you? that by definition covers any blind spot because you can sense people who are behind you.

 

[LoZelda101]

"you people over glorified the rinnegan to the point it's beyond logical. "

"you people" lol. one of my first threads on this site was about how the rinnegan doesnt shit on the ms lol you people , you people crack me up




anyway. madara has the sages chakra which is nature energy thus giving him a sage mode(though no one calls it that) his body takes in sage energy the same way kabuto does it which means madara is a sage, and thus has the same threat perception that kabuto and naruto has.

"this is EXACTLY WHY kishi gave kaguya ALL three dojutsus(sort of)"

im not sure if you know what confirmation bias is but that is exactly what I kept telling you that you were doing. nothing supports kishi doing this for the reason you stated.

you say chakra sensing doesnt work in that way? well what is chakra sensing? is it not the ability to sense chakra(and by extension) sense people around you? that by definition covers any blind spot because you can sense people who are behind you.

1. seems like common sense to me that kaguya has just about most relevant stuff in her blood/eyes for a implied suggestion that she is perfect (hence why they had to seal her since they couldn't defeat her) but whatever.

2. back on point. if what you say is true about madara's chakra sensing = sage mode. then yes, you've just proven my point. because sage mode isn't just "chakra sensing" it's threat perception as well. something rinnegan by default lacks in both Criterias

3. What seperates sage mode perception from chakra sensing in terms of blind spots is two important reasons. 1. threat perception notices all attacks not just chakra related. and 2. while chakra sensing alone is kinda the samething, it's only target is signals if chakra. therefore how can it cover it's blind spot if it's just signaled on particular function?

A fodder shinobi could easily counter that by throwing a kunai. you think nagato is going to dodge that? NO. why? i'll tell you why, because he has no idea that their is a kunai heading his way and 2, even thou he senses the enemy, he can't appropriately respond to it. it's these exact reason why itachi was able to totsuka blade nagato in the dust debris cover with his susanoo(chakra) so how the **** is that covering blind spots?

continuously active nor is it a burden
sage mode - covers all blind spots 360
susanoo - compensates all blind spots with protection 360
byakugan - sees nearly all blind spots 360

rinnegan - oh...hey, i got nothing for my blind spots unless i summon animal paths. but then i have to make sure they don't die, get blinded or get manipulated otherwise that could me put in a jam just like all the other times when i faced naruto, jiraiya and god forbid even itachi's fodder kunai's taken them out.