Rinnegan's Weakness in comparison to Sharingan and Byakugan

[LoZelda101]

For years there has been so much talk about how op, useful, unbeatable the rinnegan is, i realized just how little discussion there is to it's weak points. topics that is usually ignored and rarely mentioned of even in the manga. as for the topic. what exactly is the weakpoint of the rinnegan? most of which is obvious, but it get's more in-depth so in future debate situations, it can be used if need be. let's get started.
(update: decided to add sage mode)


let's talk about exactly what the rinnegan actually possessed and the separation between it and the other eyes. Also, i'm just doing defaults. not including exclusive enhancements like limbo or kamui, however i will add susanoo since several uchihas even kakashi have been shown using it.

So below you will see a category i've made. now yes, there is many if not thousands of situations that could happen and make each eye better in that regard. however i'm just listing these because they are the most crucial, important and most common of situations that occur in the naruto battles. also you see numbers at the end, those are just points added.

- diverse variety in jutsus.
1. The rinnegan allows the user to master any jutsu except unique dojutsus (1)
2. The sharingan allows the user to copy and use all non kekkei genkai jutsus. (1)
3. The byakugan doesn't enable the user to add large arsenal of jutsus (0)

- handle fast pace combat situations
1. The rinnegan does not posses perception, the ability to predict movements before it happens. (1)
2. The sharingan does posses perception, the ability to predict "linear" movements before it happens. (2)
3. the byakugan doesn't posses perception, however it can follow and keep up to very fast movements (1)

- activate a jutsu while using another jutsu.
1. The rinnegan when mastered, allows the user the simultaneously use several paths at once (2)
2. The mangekyou Sharingan allows the user to simultaneously use several jutsus at once (3)
3. the byakugan doesn't allow simultaneously jutsus due to lack of arsenal it offers, however (1)

- ability to compensate blind spot
1. The rinnegan does not cover blind spots, but the summoning can create view points, despite no protection (3)
2. The sharingan does not cover blind spots. However "active" Susanoo can provide protection to compensate. (4)
3. the byakugan can cover it's blind spot with near 360degree despite no "continuous active" protection (2)

- ability to combat genjutsu
1. The rinnegan cannot resist Vgenjutsu, however it can actively "block the light" of the infinite tsukuyomi. (3)
2. The Sharingan can resist Vgenjutsu, however only users of the "same blood" can break tsukuyomi. (5)
3. The byakugan cannot resist any genjutsu (2)


- ability to defensively and offensively combat ninjutsu/ taijutsu with the same jutsu (by default)

1. The rinnegan can allow the user to use shinra tensei block/counter nin and tai (4)
2. the sharingan can allow the user to use susanoo to block/counter nin and tai. (6)
3. the byakugan can allow the user to use rotation to block/counter nin and tai (3)


- Ability to increase taijutsu skills by the eyes itself(as in an auto enhancement)
1. The rinnegan cannot enhance the users taijutsu skills (4)
2. The sharingan can enhance the users taijutsu skills (7)
3. The byakugan can enhance the users taijutsu skills (4)

- Ability to see through fog or smoke bombs, debris
1. The rinnegan does not enable vision to see chakra through covered debris material (4)
2. The sharingan does enable vision to see chakra through covered material (8)
3. the byakugan does enable vision to see through covered material through chakra and x-ray (5)

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Rinnegan = while it has the most op of abilities by default and able to keep up with counter vs counter, the rinnegan itself is very situational. if it's not going all out chibaku or with tons of summoned animals active at start, they can be very vulnerable depending on the foe. it was these reasons why nagato had 6 paths puppets to cover these vulnerable spots, even at the cost of losing simultaneous and limited jutsus per pain.

Byakugun = unlike rinnegan, these eyes lack that vulnerability with it's auto 360 enhancement, especially in conjunction with 360 rotation. however it's issue like the pain puppets is that it lacks the ability to do simultaneous jutsus as well as the lack of fully damaging ninjutsus against high tier opponents.

Sharingan = while it do have similar vulnerabilities, the key difference is that unlike rotation, the susanoo continuously stays activated to compensate the blind spot. while byakugan let's you see your blind spot, the rotation has to keep being reactivated per encounter and can't stay on. and the key difference from rinnegan is that while the extra summonings (puppets/animals) do let you see your blind spots and they can attack as well, they themselves are also specible to attacks and can be blinded thus disable your extra vision advantage. the susanoo while isn't invincible, the added protection is more valuable than summoning animals that can be taken out by simple weapons. as for the shinra tensei, while it has better use than rotation since you can use another jutsu at the sametime, it still isn't continuous.

Conclusion= the Msharingan is the most useful because it can deal with most situations. The problems it had by base sharingan is patched with susanoo. and the problems with rinnegan isn't patched except by exclusive jutsus like madara's limbo (which i'm not including, cause then i'd have to include every exclusive jutsu which isn't the point of my OP)

Bonus: sagemode = while isn't a dojutsu is still a lot like sharingan and byakugan except better. it not only offers continuous added protection for your body with taijutsu skill enhancement, but it's extremely high level threat perception + awareness is completely 360. so even thou it can't see 360, it still has an auto shield/enhancement that can dodge and in some cases can counter most high speed characters in the series. the only thing missing is that it doesn't enable simultaneous jutsus on it's own and that sage mode cannot resist genjutsu however honestly it doesn't even need it. what it already offers is more than enough to compensate. so by default abilities unlocked. the tier list would go like this.

Sage mode > Mangekyou sharingan > Rinnegan > Byakugan (in terms of useful in most situations). now obviously, if it added exclusive jutsus and the characters who are using it, the tier list would be completely different.

 

[The Necromancer]

Sage Mode doesn't resist genjutsu either. You missed that point.

 

[LoZelda101]

Sage Mode doesn't resist genjutsu either. You missed that point.

Which is why i didn't put it in that category?

edit: should've been more detailed. only brought up sage mode for it's blind spot awareness and taijutsu. my bad.

 

[The Necromancer]

Which is why i didn't put it in that category?

You compared Sage Mode to almost every other category. Why not this one?

I'm just making sure.

 

[LoZelda101]

You compared Sage Mode to almost every other category. Why not this one?

I'm just making sure.

nah, you're right. should've brought it up, i just brought up sage mode was to showcase what it had compared to the others and how it's better than their versions, not neccessary that sage mode is overall better. but since i did make a tier list putting sage mode at the top, i guess i should've noted that. thanks (i added it in)

 

[Gerkak]

Wrong the rinnegan is immune to all vision type genjutsu

The sharingan is no better than a normal eye in resisting non vison type genjutsu

Also you chose to use susanoo to make up for the sharingan covering blind spots? That doesn't make sense I could easily say the rinnegan allows one to hide in a summon animal and use it as a defense while covering blind spots.

No dojutsu improves taijutsu skills rather what they do is grant better perception which aids in CQC there exists a difference

Seems to me like you are deliberately trying to make sage mode and the sharingan shine over the others

 

[Tyris]

Mastered original ownerRinnegan users lowdiff neg sage mode user without plot restrictions

Madara/nagato/itachi >sm/bijuu cloaks (should throw that in there seeing as how sage mode isn't dojutsu)

Good thread minus the unrelated Sage mode(wank)

Wrong the rinnegan is immune to all vision type genjutsu

The sharingan is no better than a normal eye in resisting non vison type genjutsu

Also you chose to use susanoo to make up for the sharingan covering blind spots? That doesn't make sense I could easily say the rinnegan allows one to hide in a summon animal and use it as a defense while covering blind spots.

No dojutsu improves taijutsu skills rather what they do is grant better perception which aids in CQC there exists a difference

Seems to me like you are deliberately trying to make sage mode and the sharingan shine over the others

Only sage mode tbh.. not a dojutsu at all just plain wanking. I'd take r>s>b if it's not Itachi fighting.

 

[LightSo6p]

Mastered original ownerRinnegan users lowdiff neg sage mode user without plot restrictions

Madara/nagato/itachi >sm/bijuu cloaks (should throw that in there seeing as how sage mode isn't dojutsu)

Good thread minus the unrelated Sage mode(wank)


Only sage mode tbh.. not a dojutsu at all just plain wanking. I'd take r>s>b if it's not Itachi fighting.

Only madara fought sm bijuu cloak tho he didnt do so good

 

[LoZelda101]

Wrong the rinnegan is immune to all vision type genjutsu

The sharingan is no better than a normal eye in resisting non vison type genjutsu

Also you chose to use susanoo to make up for the sharingan covering blind spots? That doesn't make sense I could easily say the rinnegan allows one to hide in a summon animal and use it as a defense while covering blind spots.

No dojutsu improves taijutsu skills rather what they do is grant better perception which aids in CQC there exists a difference

Seems to me like you are deliberately trying to make sage mode and the sharingan shine over the others

Obviously you're in a emotional state and can't properly think right now lol.

1. i'm talking about visual genjutsu obviously. no need to point the obvious
2. it makes perfect sense. the susanoo armor covers your entire body(except underneath) it makes up for the blind spot
3. that's what improving taijutsu is, to allow the user to have more use out of taijutsu
4. and most importantly the rinnegan is not immune to visual genjutsu. it blocks the LIGHT infinite tsukuyomi, not immune.

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Mastered original ownerRinnegan users lowdiff neg sage mode user without plot restrictions

Madara/nagato/itachi >sm/bijuu cloaks (should throw that in there seeing as how sage mode isn't dojutsu)

Good thread minus the unrelated Sage mode(wank)


Only sage mode tbh.. not a dojutsu at all just plain wanking. I'd take r>s>b if it's not Itachi fighting.

thanks, yeah i thought about throwing out sage mode. but i couldn't resist just how sexy that 360threat perception is.

Wrong the rinnegan is immune to all vision type genjutsu

The sharingan is no better than a normal eye in resisting non vison type genjutsu

Also you chose to use susanoo to make up for the sharingan covering blind spots? That doesn't make sense I could easily say the rinnegan allows one to hide in a summon animal and use it as a defense while covering blind spots.

No dojutsu improves taijutsu skills rather what they do is grant better perception which aids in CQC there exists a difference

Seems to me like you are deliberately trying to make sage mode and the sharingan shine over the others

did you even read this part ----> "key difference from rinnegan is that while the extra summonings (puppets/animals) do let you see your blind spots and they can attack as well, they themselves are also specible to attacks and can be blinded thus disable your extra vision advantage. the susanoo while isn't invincible, the added protection is more valuable than summoning animals that can be taken out by simple weapons"

For those confused why i added sage mode, it wasn't to wank it (thou it deserves it) but to show the comparison


byakugan allows near 360 vision. = sage mode while can't see, it can sense any threat 360

sharingan allows you to see attacks before it happens = sage mode allows you to react to attacks regardless the speed.

Susanoo allows you to have 360 added protection = sage mode increases your entire body stats

Sage mode isn't a dojutsu, but it does similar to what they can do except better. which was the point of why i added it in, to get an idea just how important blind spots, reaction and protection is. sage mode is literally spiderman feats lol-minus the spider webs.

 

[Gerkak]

Obviously you're in a emotional state and can't properly think right now lol.

1. i'm talking about visual genjutsu obviously. no need to point the obvious
2. it makes perfect sense. the susanoo armor covers your entire body(except underneath) it makes up for the blind spot
3. that's what improving taijutsu is, to allow the user to have more use out of taijutsu
4. and most importantly the rinnegan is not immune to visual genjutsu. it blocks the LIGHT infinite tsukuyomi, not immune.

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What nonsense are you saying? Emotional state? Is that your answer to all those who disagree with you?

1. You should be clear
2. No it doesn't the animals also cover one's body
3. Not the same, the sharingan doesn't improve skill but perception. That's like saying a scope makes you a better shooter not it doesn't what it does is it allows one to see the target better from a distance. In other words it improves perception.
4. Wiki is not a canon source, the DB said it is immune to visual genjutsu that's that.

did you even read this part ----> "key difference from rinnegan is that while the extra summonings (puppets/animals) do let you see your blind spots and they can attack as well, they themselves are also specible to attacks and can be blinded thus disable your extra vision advantage. the susanoo while isn't invincible, the added protection is more valuable than summoning animals that can be taken out by simple weapons"

Susanoo is also susceptible to being damaged and the user blinded have you forgotten kabuto's white rage technique? To kaguya taking out susanoo is easy, that point has nothing to do with durability it was about covering blind spots. You are pushing too hard to give the sharingan the edge.

 

[LoZelda101]

What nonsense are you saying? Emotional state? Is that your answer to all those who disagree with you?

1. You should be clear
2. No it doesn't the animals also cover one's body
3. Not the same, the sharingan doesn't improve skill but perception. That's like saying a scope makes you a better shooter not it doesn't what it does is it allows one to see the target better from a distance. In other words it improves perception.
4. Wiki is not a canon source, the DB said it is immune to visual genjutsu that's that.



Susanoo is also susceptible to being damaged and the user blinded have you forgotten kabuto's white rage technique? To kaguya taking out susanoo is easy, that point has nothing to do with durability it was about covering blind spots. You are pushing too hard to give the sharingan the edge.

1. DB was translated by a troll named lightsnake who manipulated the translation about rinnegan immunity to gen
2. i wasn't using wiki, i was linking you to the thread comments. maybe you should read it.
3. the manga still doesn't directly state he's immune to gen. what is says is....

the susanoo is blocking the light, his rinnegan can repel this jutsu too? to take it out of context and say he's immune (which he isn't, he's actively blocking) to genjutsu is folly on your part.

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What nonsense are you saying? Emotional state? Is that your answer to all those who disagree with you?




Susanoo is also susceptible to being damaged and the user blinded have you forgotten kabuto's white rage technique? To kaguya taking out susanoo is easy, that point has nothing to do with durability it was about covering blind spots. You are pushing too hard to give the sharingan the edge.

like i said, the susanoo isn't invincible, but it adds protection. the animal paths do not and can be taken out by kunai's. tell me which would you rather have, extra vision by animals that can be killed by itachi's kunai's or simple rasengan attacks or have susanoo that has to get smashed down by the god like kaguya? so i'll say it again, the susanoo doesn't enable more vision, but it adds 360 continuous protection. where as the rinnegan animal paths can easily die and diminish the vision all together. these are the stuff that people are not talking about. this is the point of the thread. far to many people diick ride the rinnegan they don't even consider it's flaws.

 

[Scryed]

I disagree with a few points and agree with other ones.

The DB btw doesnt actually say that the Rinnegan is immune to genjutsu. I will say that it should be more resistant to Ocular Genjutsu as the superior the eye is, the more resistant it will be against Ocular Genjutsu used by an inferior eye though it might still depend on the user anyway. I'm still curious about the Byakugan though. Can they still see even if they close their eyes? Considering that they can see through things.

The Rinnegan does have something to help someone in Hand to Hand combat. Asura Path would help by granting extra Limbs and stuff with abnormal strength if they're forced into hand to hand combat. Asura Path itself isn't Taijutsu but its their Taijutsu skills that would benefit from it. Not passive though like precog btw so I don't exactly disagree with you there.



Regardless I would still rate it this way Rinnegan > the rest since it by default comes with Rikudou chakra to enhance its attacks. If the Rinnegan is with who it belongs to anyways since awakening Hagoromo's chakra is the key to awakening the Rinnegan. Eyes show their true power when they're with their owner.

 

[Holy God]

The Rinnegan has no conceptual weakness. You listed Nagato using the Six Paths of Pain to cover up some sort of defensive measure, but it was told that Nagato himself is far more dangerous than the group. The Rinnegan in pure power is also stronger than the Mangekyou Sharingan shown by how Obito could only utilize one at a time. I too, find it unfair how you list Susano'o as deriving from the Mangekyou, because Itachi even pointed out that it was a rarity among those with the eyes and is only unlocked after obtaining the first two techniques.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I read your points on some of the ocular doujutsu's perks and it's good for the most part except for a few things.

*Each of these disadvantages for the rinnegan and sharingan vary to each user*

Examples:

1) Besides the rinnegan being able to repel a rinnegan genjutsu, a rinnegan holder that is Uchiha can withstand almost all genjutsu due to kekkai genkai (uchiha blood). So people like nagato will have an unfortunate luck with that.

2) The 360 rinnegan vision only works with those who can use the power of Pain. So people like Hagoromoo, Sasuke, and Madara cannot share visions with their share visions with their summoning. Just like Hagoromoo could not share his vision with the nine bijuus.
b) The sharingan was also able to share vision with the six path of pain technique despite not being a rinnegan.

3) The Rinnegan's pain technique Asura increases your taijustu capability while the sharingan can by copying somebodies movements who is a skilled taijutsu user. So pull a Sasuke in a sense but you'll have to take a temporary beating to copy as well.

 

[NarutoX28]

I too, find it unfair how you list Susano'o as deriving from the Mangekyou, because Itachi even pointed out that it was a rarity among those with the eyes and is only unlocked after obtaining the first two techniques.

Why? It requires both techniques of the Mangekyo to be awakened which requires awakening the Mangekyo to even unlock those abilities.

 

[LoZelda101]

I read your points on some of the ocular doujutsu's perks and it's good for the most part except for a few things.

*Each of these disadvantages for the rinnegan and sharingan vary to each user*

Examples:

1) Besides the rinnegan being able to repel a rinnegan genjutsu, a rinnegan holder that is Uchiha can withstand almost all genjutsu due to kekkai genkai (uchiha blood). So people like nagato will have an unfortunate luck with that.

2) The 360 rinnegan vision only works with those who can use the power of Pain. So people like Hagoromoo, Sasuke, and Madara cannot share visions with their share visions with their summoning. Just like Hagoromoo could not share his vision with the nine bijuus.
b) The sharingan was also able to share vision with the six path of pain technique despite not being a rinnegan.

3) The Rinnegan's pain technique Asura increases your taijustu capability while the sharingan can by copying somebodies movements who is a skilled taijutsu user. So pull a Sasuke in a sense but you'll have to take a temporary beating to copy as well.

1. that is outdated info, just about any double MS user can get susanoo from the looks of it. so it's not unfair.

2. no, it has not been proven rinnegan is immune to gen, this is one of the biggest misconceptions in the NV. the manga directly shows sasuke blocking the light out of infinite tsukuyomi. that's not the samething as being immune to genjutsu. especially the fact that it's NOT a rinnegan genjutsu, it's a sharr-rinnegan genjutsu. completely different class.

3. lol no, asura does not improve taijutsu at all.

I disagree with a few points and agree with other ones.

The DB btw doesnt actually say that the Rinnegan is immune to genjutsu. I will say that it should be more resistant to Ocular Genjutsu as the superior the eye is, the more resistant it will be against Ocular Genjutsu used by an inferior eye though it might still depend on the user anyway. I'm still curious about the Byakugan though. Can they still see even if they close their eyes? Considering that they can see through things.

The Rinnegan does have something to help someone in Hand to Hand combat. Asura Path would help by granting extra Limbs and stuff with abnormal strength if they're forced into hand to hand combat. Asura Path itself isn't Taijutsu but its their Taijutsu skills that would benefit from it. Not passive though like precog btw so I don't exactly disagree with you there.



Regardless I would still rate it this way Rinnegan > the rest since it by default comes with Rikudou chakra to enhance its attacks. If the Rinnegan is with who it belongs to anyways since awakening Hagoromo's chakra is the key to awakening the Rinnegan. Eyes show their true power when they're with their owner.

1. That is an translated error from a troll. there is actually no evidence that states in DB of rinnegan being immune to gen.
2. i kinda get what you're saying, so i suppose that would be used as a tai-skill thou i don't know how effective
3. so you're okay with no perception, no resistance to V-gen, and have to depend on fodder animals for visual advantage?

Honestly i would never chose rinnegan unless i was like sasuke who had one sharingan to fix those issues or am able to switch from rinnegan to sharingan like madara did. otherwise, i'd rather just have sharingan. it's just more useful in most situations unless i had limbo or created my own 6paths of pain.

This is very lowkey sasuke/uchiha fapping. I've lurked 4 years and see stuff like this all the time. And I already see a pic of sasuke on the front page.
EDIT: Lol and it appears OP endorses sasuke.
Don't be fooled people.

Even thou sasuke has rinnegan and i made of thread of naruto being stronger than sasuke?

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The Rinnegan has no conceptual weakness. You listed Nagato using the Six Paths of Pain to cover up some sort of defensive measure, but it was told that Nagato himself is far more dangerous than the group. The Rinnegan in pure power is also stronger than the Mangekyou Sharingan shown by how Obito could only utilize one at a time. I too, find it unfair how you list Susano'o as deriving from the Mangekyou, because Itachi even pointed out that it was a rarity among those with the eyes and is only unlocked after obtaining the first two techniques.

That's just it. the rinnegan is just pure power. nothing more. it doesn't have the healthy balance that uchiha's offer in most situations. you guys have been so manipulated by the rinnegan hype you forget that sharingan is equally a good tool in it's own way. the sharingan allows a user to resist gen, see chakra through debris, has 360 continuous protection. what made 6 paths of pain such a threat is that despite the lack of multiple jutsus per pain, they were all multiple, far more useful than animal paths and most likely have an easier time fighting genjutsu. nagato does not have that. he must suffer the biggest flaw of all. himself, madara knows this, which is why he used limbo to protect him.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1. that is outdated info, just about any double MS user can get susanoo from the looks of it. so it's not unfair.

2. no, it has not been proven rinnegan is immune to gen, this is one of the biggest misconceptions in the NV. the manga directly shows sasuke blocking the light out of infinite tsukuyomi. that's not the samething as being immune to genjutsu. especially the fact that it's NOT a rinnegan genjutsu, it's a sharr-rinnegan genjutsu. completely different class.

3. lol no, asura does not improve taijutsu at all.

1. I know that any double ms user can get susanoo. I'm just talking about in a genjutsu perspective that every rinnegan user will not have the same benefits with how they deal with genjutsu. Nagato being on the bad scale of things.

2. Absolutely not. Sasuke is immune to a rinnegan jutsu because a rinnegan can stop a rinnegan genjutsu. Just like how a sharingan can stop a sharingan genjutsu. Nagato is not immune to genjutsu because that was the only thing Jiraiya was able to use against nagato. Genjutsu. The only doujutsu was was able to cancel both ocular and non ocular genjutsu is the mangekyo/sharingan (Kabuto's sound genjutsu and Kurenai's genjustu).

3. Nope you're wrong there too. Databook 4

Asura Path (修羅道, Shuradō)

Asura Path allows the user to summon weapons and armor into their own body. They become a living weapon with a repulsive appearance, and their flesh and blood (生身, also means "body of a buddha or bodhisattva") constantly changes in amazing ways that allow them to overwhelm their opponent with Taijutsu. It summons ballistic weapons unlike anything ever created in the ninja world, and when moving from long range to close range, dynamically swaps out (換装, mechanical term, "exchange parts") its weaponry to meet whatever is needed in battle.

 

[LoZelda101]

1. I know that any double ms user can get susanoo. I'm just talking about in a genjutsu perspective that every rinnegan user will not have the same benefits with how they deal with genjutsu. Nagato being on the bad scale of things.

2. Absolutely not. Sasuke is immune to a rinnegan jutsu because a rinnegan can stop a rinnegan genjutsu. Just like how a sharingan can stop a sharingan genjutsu. Nagato is not immune to genjutsu because that was the only thing Jiraiya was able to use against nagato. Genjutsu. The only doujutsu was was able to cancel both ocular and non ocular genjutsu is the mangekyo/sharingan (Kabuto's sound genjutsu and Kurenai's genjustu).

3. Nope you're wrong there too. Databook 4

1. wrong again. that was not a rinnegan genjutsu, it was a sharr-rinnegan genjutsu.

2. show me databook 4 proof that states rinnegan is immune to genjutsu.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1. wrong again. that was not a rinnegan genjutsu, it was a sharr-rinnegan genjutsu.

Haha, what?

2. show me databook 4 proof that states rinnegan is immune to genjutsu.

I said that it's not immune to genjustu. Only Sasuke was able to repel Madara's rinnnegan genjustu.

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[LoZelda101]

Haha, what?



I said that it's not immune to genjustu. Only Sasuke was able to repel Madara's rinnnegan genjustu.

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yes he repel madara's shar-rinnegan (completely different dojutsu class) genjutsu by blocking the light from piercing through his susanoo. and madara is uneffected by the infinite tsukuyomi because he was the one who casted it. it's not the samething as repelling regular visual genjutsu. especially the fact it involves some kind of light. hmmm.. makes me wonder if it's time to make a new addition to genjutsu. one for sound, visual, touch? and now light.