[Theory] Rinnegan's secret TRUTH (weak)

[MuDfAcToRy25]

I'm not wrong in any way. I already told you I acknowledged that Uchiha and Senju are descendents of the elder and younger brother.

It does not say that they are the only two descendents and it doesn't even say they are direct descendents or closest. All it states is that they are descendents. I'm saying that they are not the only close bloodlines to the So6P where you are clearly disagreeing.

Dude they are the two bloodlines FROM TWO SONS AND THEY ARE LINKED BY DESTINY!!! Add that to my last post and then explain to me again your argument about how they AREN'T the two main bloodlines?

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

wtf i do not remember uzumaki being related to senju and uchiha i think is jst the senju alone

No thats a personal theory. I think it will eventually be revealed that Uzumakis were the offspring of a Senju and an Uchiha. If nagato didn't have both of the sage's bloodlines you wouldn't think he could use the sage's eyes. Thats what i think anyway. Small relation to both.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

No thats a personal theory. I think it will eventually be revealed that Uzumakis were the offspring of a Senju and an Uchiha. If nagato didn't have both of the sage's bloodlines you wouldn't think he could use the sage's eyes. Thats what i think anyway. Small relation to both.

oh i c wut u mean nagato is an uzumaki bc either his dad or mom married an uzumaki dude but its weird how nagato is the 3rd of the s6op

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

oh i c wut u mean nagato is an uzumaki bc either his dad or mom married an uzumaki dude but its weird how nagato is the 3rd of the s6op

But unless he had Uchiha blood somewhere he shouldn't be able to be called the 3rd SO6P since in order to access SO6P powers (like Izanagi) you need AT LEAST senju blood (or aparently just be related [uzumaki]) AND Uchiha!!!

Thats why i think Uzumaki's must be related to both or else calling Nagato the 3rd SO6P is a HUGE ERROR in the manga and he hasn't made any mistakes like that so far.

So either people have to agree with the "collecting paths" translation or they have to believe that uzumaki's are related to senju AND Uchiha!!!

 

[Nagato of the Six Paths]

Jiraiya stated the Rinnegan is the greatest of the doujutsu and everyone takes it as gospel truth. HOWEVER, we have all been FORGETTING something VERY IMPORTANT!!! I JUST came to this realization a few moments ago and CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I DIDN'T CATCH THIS SOONER!!!

The ONLY person to possess the rinnegan besides Nagato was the SO6P. THAT IS WHY IT'S HERALDED AS THE GREATEST DOUJUTSU!!! LOOK AT EVERYTHING SO6P DID WITH IT!!! AAAAALL ITS ABILITIES!!!

HERE'S WHAT WE ALL FORGET......ESPECIALLY IN THE ITACHI V. NAGATO AND SHARINGAN V. RINNEGAN THREADS.

JUST LIKE IZANAGI REQUIRES 2 OF THE 6 PATHS..... IN ORDER TO ACCESS ALL OF THE RINNEGAN'S POWER, YOU NEED ALL 6 PATHS! THAT'S WHY MADARA IS COLLECTING THEM!!!

So if you need all 6 paths BEFORE you can use all of it's abilities (like using Izanagi well enough to NOT LOSE YOUR EYESIGHT and being able to fuse the biju and CONTROL the Jubi) that means THE RINNEGAN WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN ACTION IS ACTUALLY A WEAKENED VERSION OF IT SINCE THE WIELDER WASN'T EVEN PART OF ONE OF THE TWO MAIN BLOODLINES OF THE RIKUDOU SENIN!!! *EDIT* I know Uzumaki's are RELATED to Senju's but i'm saying Nagato is not DIRECTLY part of either two main bloodlines. He's only a relative of Senju which isn't quite the same or Madara would have taken DNA from an Uzumaki instead of nearly dying to get Senju Hashirama's DNA.

That COULD also explain little things that bothered me about rinnegan like "if its the greatest, how come Naruto's smoke bombs could fool its vision when byakugan AND sharingan can see through things like that??!?" WITH MADARA HAVING 3 OF THE 6 PATHS HE MAY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO NEW ABILITIES OF THE RINNEGAN OR HAVE IMPROVED OCCULAR ACCUITY! OR THE TECHS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN MAY HAVE THEIR POWER AMPLIFIED!!!

The bottom line point i want to make though is this...... WHEN JIRAIYA SAID RINNEGAN WAS THE GREATEST OF THE DOUJUTSU...... HE WAS SPEAKING OF THE RINNEGAN THAT THE SO6P HAD...... NAGATO DIDN'T POSSESS THE 6 PATHS OF THE SAGE SO HIS RINNEGAN WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE GREATEST TOO...... JUST LIKE GIVING A SHARINGAN TO SOMEONE WITH LOW CHAKRA WHO CAN NEVER AWAKEN MANGEKYO!!!! THE RINNEGAN WAS THE GREATEST TO EVER EXIST IN THE HANDS OF THE SO6P!

You're right. Because Nagato didn't have all six paths and he was a total *****. That's why he wiped out a ****ing village in a day.
One more thing...Kakashi has low chakra. Good thing he never awakened the Mangekyo....****ing idiot.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

But unless he had Uchiha blood somewhere he shouldn't be able to be called the 3rd SO6P since in order to access SO6P powers (like Izanagi) you need AT LEAST senju blood (or aparently just be related [uzumaki]) AND Uchiha!!!

Thats why i think Uzumaki's must be related to both or else calling Nagato the 3rd SO6P is a HUGE ERROR in the manga and he hasn't made any mistakes like that so far.

So either people have to agree with the "collecting paths" translation or they have to believe that uzumaki's are related to senju AND Uchiha!!!

well the younger had the sages eyes but it also had the rinnigan eyes i think it could be the elder who had the rinnigan eyes cant remember well but if i think nagato had the bloodline of either the elder or younger

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

You're right. Because Nagato didn't have all six paths and he was a total *****. That's why he wiped out a ****ing village in a day.
One more thing...Kakashi has low chakra. Good thing he never awakened the Mangekyo....****ing idiot.

Whoa buddy!!! Slow down!

I'm not saying the Rinnegan is WEAK, I am saying JUST IMAGINE HOW STRONG IT WILL BE WHEN IT REACHES IT'S FULL POTENTIAL!!!

Nagato was AMAZING but with a Rinnegan that WASN'T NEARLY AT FULL STRENGTH.

And Kakashi DOESN'T have LOW chakra. He has LOWER chakra than some OTHER MAJOR CHARACTERS!!! HE'S THE GODDAMNED COPY NINJA WHO KNOWS OVER 1000 JUTSU!!! I THINK HIS CHAKRA LEVELS ARE KAGE LEVEL SINCE HE WAS FIRST CHOICE FOR KAGE AFTER TSUNADE!!!! When i said someone with low chakra I meant like Shikamaru or TenTen!

You should get some reading comprehension skills so you don't get so offended by things that don't even mean what you think they mean:shrug:

 

[PositiveEmotions]

Whoa buddy!!! Slow down!

I'm not saying the Rinnegan is WEAK, I am saying JUST IMAGINE HOW STRONG IT WILL BE WHEN IT REACHES IT'S FULL POTENTIAL!!!

Nagato was AMAZING but with a Rinnegan that WASN'T NEARLY AT FULL STRENGTH.

And Kakashi DOESN'T have LOW chakra. He has LOWER chakra than some OTHER MAJOR CHARACTERS!!! HE'S THE GODDAMNED COPY NINJA WHO KNOWS OVER 1000 JUTSU!!! I THINK HIS CHAKRA LEVELS ARE KAGE LEVEL SINCE HE WAS FIRST CHOICE FOR KAGE AFTER TSUNADE!!!! When i said someone with low chakra I meant like Shikamaru or TenTen!

You should get some reading comprehension skills so you don't get so offended by things that don't even mean what you think they mean:shrug:

kakashi has allot of chakra but his chakra runs out fast

 

[Inception]

Yes i know the Uzumaki are related but the TWO MAIN BLOODLINES ARE UCHIHA AND SENJU.

And Uchiha marrying each other? Maybe. If they are far enough removed from each other (i.e. 2nd cousins) But also can you provide a reference of that happening?

More proof of the TWO MAIN BLOODLINES:

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Uchiha and Senju, thats the power of the SO6P! They didn't say you NEEDED Uzumaki to gain his power. Now i tend to think we'll find out that Uzumaki's are ALSO related to Uchiha and thats how Nagato was able to use this "incomplete" form of rinnegan (he was closely enough related to the two lines to use some of SO6P's power but not everything i.e. izanagi)

But there you have it straight from the manga dude! Uchiha and Senju bloodlines are the TWO KEYS TO SO6P!!!

That link you provided, while Tobi does mention Senju and Uchiha, he does not claim that they are the closest bloodlines to the Sage. He says they were once one with the Sage. Do you know that the Sage created the art of ninjutsu? He created the ninja world and all the techniques. Everything is related to the Sage.

You're assuming that both Uchiha and Senju are the two main bloodlines. I keep telling you that there are 6 Paths to the Sage, Uchiha and Senju are not the two main bloodlines, at least imo.

Dude they are the two bloodlines FROM TWO SONS AND THEY ARE LINKED BY DESTINY!!! Add that to my last post and then explain to me again your argument about how they AREN'T the two main bloodlines?

It depends on what you mean by the main. Kakashi has already said in part one that Hyuga is Leaf's oldest bloodline.

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"Uchiha clan origin lie with the Hyuga clan."

Just because Tobi only mentions Uchiha and Senju doesn't mean they're the only two main bloodlines. Remember, Tobi is out for revenge and all he knows is Uchiha this and Senju that.

 

[Inception]

I'll also go ahead and post this;

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That's the elder brother. His eyes resemble Rinnegan and the Uzumaki clan symbol .

 

[PositiveEmotions]

I'll also go ahead and post this;

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That's the elder brother. His eyes resemble Rinnegan and the Uzumaki clan symbol .

and the sage eyes and is not the uzumaki symbol is the eddy's village symbol

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

That link you provided, while Tobi does mention Senju and Uchiha, he does not claim that they are the closest bloodlines to the Sage. He says they were once one with the Sage. Do you know that the Sage created the art of ninjutsu? He created the ninja world and all the techniques. Everything is related to the Sage.

You're assuming that both Uchiha and Senju are the two main bloodlines. I keep telling you that there are 6 Paths to the Sage, Uchiha and Senju are not the two main bloodlines, at least imo.



It depends on what you mean by the main. Kakashi has already said in part one that Hyuga is Leaf's oldest bloodline.

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"Uchiha clan origin lie with the Hyuga clan."

Just because Tobi only mentions Uchiha and Senju doesn't mean they're the only two main bloodlines. Remember, Tobi is out for revenge and all he knows is Uchiha this and Senju that.

I'm not talking about what TOBI said! I'm talking about what is COMMON KNOWLEDGE!!! KONAN IS THE ONE WHO RECOGNIZED AND STATED THAT THOSE TWO BLOODLINES COMBINED WERE "THE POWER OF THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS"

So its not a questionable Tobi statement, ITS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SO6P SINCE EVEN KONAN KNEW IT RIGHT AWAY!

Try reading the whole page and maybe even reading it 2 or 3 times to make sure you get ALL the info on it!:lili:

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

I'll also go ahead and post this;

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That's the elder brother. His eyes resemble Rinnegan and the Uzumaki clan symbol .

You also need to keep in mind when you are looking at THESE pics that they are drawn in a different style than the manga b/c THEY ARE NOT A FLASHBACK they are "an artisic rendering of a story being told FROM LEGEND!" No one knows what they looked like. When pictures are drawn like that in a manga they AREN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY! Kishi doesn't want to give away story before he's ready so he drew artistic fames instead of ACTUAL frames so we could all theorize just like this.

Thats the ELDER brother like you said. So why would relatives of the YOUNGER brother use his eyes for a symbol? And how would a spiral turn into three tamoe's and no rings at all? It was just a "representation of Madara's story" that still leaves a little room to doubt Madara's story. There are obviously no real pictures of his eyes for the Edy Village to base it's symbol on since most people think the SO6P didn't even exist! If there were pics there would be proof.

 

[Inception]

I'm not talking about what TOBI said! I'm talking about what is COMMON KNOWLEDGE!!! KONAN IS THE ONE WHO RECOGNIZED AND STATED THAT THOSE TWO BLOODLINES COMBINED WERE "THE POWER OF THE SAGE OF THE SIX PATHS"

So its not a questionable Tobi statement, ITS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SO6P SINCE EVEN KONAN KNEW IT RIGHT AWAY!

Try reading the whole page and maybe even reading it 2 or 3 times to make sure you get ALL the info on it!:lili:

I'm not ignoring the fact that Konan knew by combining Uchiha and Senju blood, you can get So6P abilities, this is common sense. You are still assuming that those two are the only main bloodlines.

Combining both Senju and Uchiha clan allows him to use Izanagi which is one of the many powers of the Sage of Six Paths. Why don't you read what I posted about Hyuga having the same lineage as Uchiha? Did you forget to read that?

Your theory is only a theory in the end. You're making assumptions in hope to get it right.

and the sage eyes and is not the uzumaki symbol is the eddy's village symbol

It is the symbol of Whirlpool village where the Uzumaki clan lived. Uzumaki also means "spiral".

 

[arv sasuke ultimate]

You also need to keep in mind when you are looking at THESE pics that they are drawn in a different style than the manga b/c THEY ARE NOT A FLASHBACK they are "an artisic rendering of a story being told FROM LEGEND!" No one knows what they looked like. When pictures are drawn like that in a manga they AREN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY! Kishi doesn't want to give away story before he's ready so he drew artistic fames instead of ACTUAL frames so we could all theorize just like this.

Thats the ELDER brother like you said. So why would relatives of the YOUNGER brother use his eyes for a symbol? And how would a spiral turn into three tamoe's and no rings at all? It was just a "representation of Madara's story" that still leaves a little room to doubt Madara's story. There are obviously no real pictures of his eyes for the Edy Village to base it's symbol on since most people think the SO6P didn't even exist! If there were pics there would be proof.

you have forgotton of how the elder son is affected in his eyes.
he has that eye because of a 9 tomoe shaingan and rinnegan combined that's hwy different dojutsu are made

 

[PositiveEmotions]

yes i know but the eddy village was the main ones who carried that symbol on them the konoha villigers took it as a symbol of friendship from them

 

[Inception]

You also need to keep in mind when you are looking at THESE pics that they are drawn in a different style than the manga b/c THEY ARE NOT A FLASHBACK they are "an artisic rendering of a story being told FROM LEGEND!" No one knows what they looked like. When pictures are drawn like that in a manga they AREN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY! Kishi doesn't want to give away story before he's ready so he drew artistic fames instead of ACTUAL frames so we could all theorize just like this.

Thats the ELDER brother like you said. So why would relatives of the YOUNGER brother use his eyes for a symbol? And how would a spiral turn into three tamoe's and no rings at all? It was just a "representation of Madara's story" that still leaves a little room to doubt Madara's story. There are obviously no real pictures of his eyes for the Edy Village to base it's symbol on since most people think the SO6P didn't even exist! If there were pics there would be proof.

Now you are stating that the pictures Kishi drew for the elder and younger brother cannot be taken seriously. Again, you're assuming things. Please stop trying to fuel your theory by adding false information.

You neither I know what other clans are part of So6P. Hyuga is known to share the same lineage as Sharingan. Kishi wrote all this, you did not.

Uzumaki seem like they are going to be one of the 6 Paths and so does Hyuga for their yin-yang symbol.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

I'm not ignoring the fact that Konan knew by combining Uchiha and Senju blood, you can get So6P abilities, this is common sense. You are still assuming that those two are the only main bloodlines.

Combining both Senju and Uchiha clan allows him to use Izanagi which is one of the many powers of the Sage of Six Paths. Why don't you read what I posted about Hyuga having the same lineage as Uchiha? Did you forget to read that?

Your theory is only a theory in the end. You're making assumptions in hope to get it right.



It is the symbol of Whirlpool village where the Uzumaki clan lived. Uzumaki also means "spiral".

I'm not ASSUMING anything..... Kishi has only TRACED TWO BLOODLINES BACK TO SO6P and they are Uchiha and Senju. Could Kishi have omitted others? Sure. But YOU SAYING HE DID and that I'M ASSUMING THESE TWO ARE THE MAIN TWO IS RIDICULOUS!!!

THE FACT THAT THESE TWO ARE THE ONLY TWO KISHI FELT WERE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MENTION THE LINEAGE OF PROVES THEY ARE THE MAIN TWO!!! IF THERE ARE MORE THEY WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS SUPLEMENTAL BLOODLINES. LIKE A CO-STAR OR SUPPORTING CAST MEMBER!!!

And the Eddy Village IS the Whirlpool Village.... They mean the same thing......

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Now you are stating that the pictures Kishi drew for the elder and younger brother cannot be taken seriously. Again, you're assuming things. Please stop trying to fuel your theory by adding false information.

You neither I know what other clans are part of So6P. Hyuga is known to share the same lineage as Sharingan. Kishi wrote all this, you did not.

Uzumaki seem like they are going to be one of the 6 Paths and so does Hyuga for their yin-yang symbol.

WHOA I'M NOT SAYING THAT!

How many manga do you read???

That style of drawing is USED AS A STORY TELLING TOOL IN MANGA! IT'S USED FOR DREAMS AND STORIES WHERE THE IMAGES ARE MEANT TO BE OPEN FOR INTERPERITATION TO EACH LISTENER!!!

THATS NOT WHAT I SAY! THAT'S FACT!!! JUST BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET TO SAY I'M MAKING IT UP DIPSHIT!!! You're ignorance doesn't make things false!:flaw:

And you say Byakugan shares lineage with sharingan and kishi wrote this? Please provide reference. I have for my statements.

 

[Inception]

I'm not ASSUMING anything..... Kishi has only TRACED TWO BLOODLINES BACK TO SO6P and they are Uchiha and Senju. Could Kishi have omitted others? Sure. But YOU SAYING HE DID and that I'M ASSUMING THESE TWO ARE THE MAIN TWO IS RIDICULOUS!!!

THE FACT THAT THESE TWO ARE THE ONLY TWO KISHI FELT WERE IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MENTION THE LINEAGE OF PROVES THEY ARE THE MAIN TWO!!! IF THERE ARE MORE THEY WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS SUPLEMENTAL BLOODLINES. LIKE A CO-STAR OR SUPPORTING CAST MEMBER!!!

And the Eddy Village IS the Whirlpool Village.... They mean the same thing......

Senju didn't become important until recently. What makes you so sure that Uzumaki and Hyuga aren't important? Are you stupid? Tobi is telling a story where everything in the world revolves around Uchiha and Senju because obviously Uchiha is his own clan and Senju was the clan of his hated rival. Did anyone else in the manga even state anything about the So6P other than Jiraiya who only reclaimed that he had the Rinnegan.

You are repeatedly ignoring the fact that Hyuga was mentioned to be in the same lineage as Uchiha and was said to be the oldest clan in the Hidden Leaf. Oldest means older than Uchiha. You are also ignoring the fact that the older son's eye is very well related to the Rinnegan and the Uzumaki clan symbol both of which belonged to an Uzumaki and not a Uchiha nor a Senju.

Also, you can stop typing in caps as it doesn't make a difference and stop bolding useless info.

EDIT: I already provided the pages where Kakashi is saying the Byakugan is the oldest clan in the Hidden Leaf. He also mentions that Sharingan's origin is with the Hyuga clan. Please go back to my previous post and read the chapters I kindly linked. You didn't even have to click on the links yet you managed to miss it completely and you're stating I can't read, lmao.