And after your return the obito wank is strong once again
Lol so apparently presenting the only decent argument in favor of obito means I'm wanking now? Smfh please just stop, I don't want to hear this nonsense after just coming back, I came here to debate, not start slinging sh*t at people who basely call another person a wanker based on what's most likely an ad hominem.
I said obito is being underrated, mainly due to observing the multiple posts from people who say madara wins without even posting a reason as to why. & So you blatantly attack me just for responding to the only worthwhile argument in this thread then you expect me to take you seriously? Lol If you wanna debate then at least show a shred of civility because I didn't come back to debate with children.
I have nothing more to say on the matter.
Bijuu are getting manhandled here.
No they aren't, in fact they do the manhandling.
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grabs and restrains them long enough for Madara to slice them in half with a PS slash
I don't need scans unless I ask for them, it's pointless posting scans when I already know what the jutsu is & does, now as for the argument.
Lol So I guess you skimmed over the part where I said bijuu can change size & chomei can fly. Please don't mke me repeat yself, until you explain how hotei hands grab chomei then this argument doesn't hold. I won't even get into saiken's acid or V2 roshi's lava, both of which would be perfectly capable of melting the mokuton restraining them as well.
-Flower Tree World can be used to put them to sleep.
& Again, someone's forgetting about chomei. Tbbs blow up any & all mokuton, no other outcome is viable. Specifically for FTW though, chomei blows it up or obito burns it while the other bijuu retreat & continue to fire their damas.
-Wood dragons suck 'em dry of chakra.
Lol Mokuryuu isn't absorbing all that chakra before the bijuu gets reverted to a smaller form or before another one blows madara away in the meantime. Also I need feats of madara spawning more than one mokuryuu, otherwise he gets taken out by the other bijuu while he's focusing on one.
If bijuu revert to V2 they get utterly stomped by PS
No they don't. Feats of madara using mokuton & PS simultaneously? Otherwise madara isn't pulling out PS before a bijuuu escapes unless he has sharingan precog [which he doesn't with the rinnegan]. You assume that madara can immediately go from controlling his mokuton to forming a stabilized PS & attacking, yet the bijuu can go from BM to V2 just as easily, meaning by the time madara actually pulls PS out the bijuu would have already entered BM again. Here's how it would look chronologically:
- Madara restrains bijuu
- Bijuu goes V2
- Madara stops controlling mokuton, forms PS, & stabilizes it
- Bijuu enters BM again
- Madara attacks
According to your argument, you think that madara can stop manipulating mokuton, form/stabilize PS, & then attack all before the bijuu can re-enter BM? Sorry but that makes zero sense, & this is all while taking in the fact that madara has 4 other bijuu to worry about & one of them can't be affected at all by mokuton.
or killed by 25 mokuton clones using Susanoo.
Chomei sh*ts on all of them, unless you believe that jinton boasts a more powerful offense than a bijuudama.
Madara can track V2 jins' speed and land a hit on them with PS slashes.
It would be idiotic to attack PS with V2 jins when obito has much easier ways of dealing with it without sacrificing bijuu.
But anyways to address your point directly, while madara is busy keeping track of the V2s with PS obito simply warps behind him then warps him away [explanation below]. Madara isn't keeping track of the bijuu & a kamui user simultaneously, not when he hasn't shown any notable speed & reaction feats as an edo.
Mokuton clones using Susanoo would also kill them as V2 jins don't have the durability to tank Susanoo slashes.
Again, why would obito attack with his V2s if nothing they use can get past susanoo? Reverting to V2 is only for escape/evasion purposes, obito is attacking with bijuudamas which eliminate any susanoo bar PS [but even then it will eventually break if enough are thrown at it].
Obito can't differentiate between the clones so he can't target them while they manhandle bijuu.
If you believe that madara's clones can take out 5 bijuu then I'm just going to stop taking this seriously. I'll say it again, chomei, sh*ts, on, any clone of madara, alone.
The fact that Chomei can fly means nothing, at worst PS tanks a TBB.
Chomei flying renders all of madara's mokuton & clones useless so that already makes your statement invalid. & Now madara has to worry about tbbs that could be heading his way at any point during the battle.
At worst the tbb destroys his body which ends the fight, since a tbb can easily head his way as he's fooling around with mokuton/clones which would mean his PS isn't up. Then chomei can fly to madara's blindspoots & fire damas from there. The fact that you consider chomei's flight as nothing in this fight merely proves my statement regarding how severely obito is being underrated. Either that or it just shows your being biased.
Actually PS can take them on quite easily. PS slashes have faster execution than bijuudamas the TBB prep can be interrupted.
False, bijuudamas can be fired near-instantly, refer to SS vs PS + Kurama. Kurama wouldn't have been able to fire bijuudama's within such a close proximity to eachother if he couldn't form & release them near-instantly [
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That fight showed is that the charge time between standard tbbs is virtually nonexistent, now factor in the fact that they're being fired from 5 different sources, meaning they're being fired 5x faster than what we've seen & they can all be fired from multiple directions including the sky. PS definitely gets taken out before madara realizes what happens.
@Bold, you're gonna have to back up that statement with evidence. Obito can't materialize inside PS to warp Madara away,
No I don't, burden of proof is on you. The inside of susanoo isn't solid & therefore obito can warp inside of it like he does with anything. & Since the inside isn't solid & obito is then the chakra that was occupying his space will be pushed away.
The exact same thing happens every time obito warps anywhere, the oxygen that was occupying the area where he was standing gets pushed out of the way to make room for him. Unless you have something that contradicts this then the chakra inside susanoo works the same way, it's not solid & so it gets pushed like anything else that isn't solid would. & We also have feats of obito warping inside chakra already so that further supports the claim [
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and Edo Madara can quite easily take care of the bijuu then take down Obito after providing an opening through the use of mokuton bunshins or shadow clones.
Mokuton clones get obliterated via tbbs along with madara if he doesn't use PS. If madara decides to use PS then he constantly gets hit with tbbs until his susanoo either breaks or obito warps inside & warps him away.
The funny thing is that madara still doesn't have a single way to hit obito even after all of this, he isn't taking down anyone during this fight, definitely not as an edo where his movements are severely handicapped.
Lol feats of Chomei "raining down TBBs"?
Feats of madara using hotei hands? Same concept, multiple tbbs are nothing special & more than one bijuu has done it, nothing suggests that the other bijuu can't do it as well. Just because they lack the feats doesn't mean they can't do it either since madara doesn't have feats suggesting he can use most/all of hashi's mokuton jutsus.
Sometimes lack of feats =/= someone can't do something & madara is a prime example of that.
Lets take naruto who's only just shown us the mini tbb in action once & how fast he was able to begin forming one. Now take in his age & how long it took him to do so, then take in the age of the bijuu who are over hundreds of years old. To assume that the bijuu can't fire their tbbs as fast as kurama & gyuki can would be going against the very logic that suggests madara can use something like hotei or hobi.
If it was a feat exclusive to one bijuu then I would need feats to prove that it's not special & that other bijuu can do it as well. But since kurama & gyuki both did it proves that it's not a special jutsu that only one bijuu can do. All bijuu can form a tbb & so nothing suggests they can't do it as fast as the other two [lack of chakra doesn't explain it either]. Therefore the burden of proof is on you if you want to prove that chomei can't use multiple tbbs.
Juubi size katon is countered by Madara's own katon so nothing to say here,
Actually there is more to say here since you clearly misunderstood the whole point of the katon, which was to get rid of the pollen. Madara would only be aiding that cause by producing his own katon in response to obito's.
not to mention when Madara set his FTW on fire against Gokage it didn't get rid of the pollen.
First of all he didn't try to destroy the forest, secondly the angle at which he used his katon would've only pushed the pollen in the area down towards the gokage anyways. Obito will be on the ground aiming his katon forward, & so the pollen will get pushed forward & outward all while the forest gets destroyed along the way.
Madara wins low-med diff bro.
No he doesn't bro.
Mokuton easily traps the bijuu then PS slashes kill them.
Addressed above.
As for PS slashes, PS only has two arms while obito has 5 bijuu + precog. If madara goes for a vertical slash then 4 other bijuu will be wide open while the 5th is dodging, & If madara goes for a horizontal slash then chomei is still open while the other 4 simply duck or revert to avoid the shockwave, & they can even prep tbbs as well during that time.
If they revert to V2, the bijuu get godstomped by PS and can't even use bijuudamas.
Addressed above.
If you seriously think Obito wins mid diff, re-read the manga Lol.
& I suggest you do the same. Not going to indulge a flame-war so how about we avoid the petty cheap shots, k?
The only thing that'd tickle PS is the combined Bijuu Dama they used.
Yet multiple tbbs + SS punches were enough to break it open.
Even if you believe it can't be broken, then obito warps inside & warps madara away as he's getting bombarded instead.
Obito can even take a large chunk of madara's PS away since he can absorb a significant amount of chakra while remaining intangible. All he has to do is absorb a portion of PS right before a bomb hits him which is entirely plausible.
