Rinnegan, Sharingan, The So Called Sharinnegan, and The Fanbase

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As the title states, in this thread, I will talk about the various dojutsus mentioned, and their order. First, I will prove that Rinnegan is greater than all the other dojutsus. The reason I want to do this is that many people on the base think Kaguya's eye is the father of all eyes when actually it is not true. I believe that Rikudo's Rinnegan was not inherited from his mother unlike what people are saying because his mother did not have such power. Before we begin, I want to say that every time I mention the word Rinnegan, I mean the eyes of Hagoromo, not any other eye.


I. Kaguya's eye is a subset of the Hagoromo's Rinnegan

Hagoromo's Rinnegan as awakened by Madara
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So as shown above, Hagoromo's Rinnegan is the one Nagato, Madara, Obito and Hagoromo himself have shown so far. This Rinnegan can control all the six realms that have been so far in the Narutoverse - that is animals, humans, hell, etc. The most important is that Madara Uchiha has shown that once someone has the Rinnegan, he can also open a third eye once he get close to the moon.

The third eye source made plain and crystal clear
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So, as we can see here, while we know Kaguya had, and has the same third eye as Madara, it is obvious that this third eye is not the source of the Rinnegan. Rather, those who have the Rinnegan can also open this third eye if they want. The reason Hagoromo initially wrote the stone tablet was to avoid such situation in case someone awaken his Rinnegan. From here, I draw my first thesis/conclusion:

Thesis 1: Hagoromo's Rinnegan is more powerful than Kaguya's third eye because the owner of the Rinnegan can also open the same third eye. In fact, in mathematics, we would say that Kaguya's third eye is included, or a subset of Hagoromo's Rinnegan.


II. Sasuke's eye: A Sharingan or a Rinnegan?

Well, Madara called it Rinnegan as we can see below:

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As we can see above, Sasuke's eye has nothing to do with Hagoromo's Rinnegan. However, Madara called it the Rinnegan, and therefore, all the fanbase who was dying to see Sasuke with a Rinnegan has widely accepted this fact. Unfortunately for them, Sasuke has not shown any noticeable Hagoromo's Rinnegan effect yet, and therefore, they keep making prediction to prove that Sasuke's eye is powerful than Hagoromo's. In the first point above, I have shown that Sasuke's rinnegan cannot even come close to hagoromo's Rinnegan because it has at best a subset of Hagoromo's eye. Now, let check the Sharinnegan very close.

Sasuke showing both Sharingan and Sharinnegan (right and left eye)
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Notice in this image that in the right eye, Sasuke has the Sharingan (3 tomoes). What are the characteristic of this sharingan?

(a) Three tomoes inscribed in on a circle​
(b) One additional circle without any tomoes​

This leads to a second thesis.

Thesis 2: Both Sharingan and Rinnegan can possess circle. More precisely, in a Sharingan, every triple of tomoes is located on a circle.

According to this, if a Sharingan as nine tomoes it will have at least 4 circles, where the outter circle will have no tomoes. If a Sharingan has 6 tomoes, it will show at least three circle, where the third circle has no tomoe. From this, we could hypothetically say that Sasuke's current eye is a giant Sharingan with sometime 6 tomoes and some other times 9. However, I will not engage in such discussion, and therefore, I leave the topic of Sasuke having Rinnegan opened, but state this:

Thesis 3: Unless Sasuke is shown using six paths techniques, which are the signature of Hagoromo's Rinnegan, I maintain that Sasuke's eye is a giant Sharingan with Infinite Tsukyomi power.

Of course, this third thesis is not stating that there is nothing more about Sasuke's eye. Rather, I am comparing its power to Hagoromo's power.

III. Kaguya's Sharingan vs Sasuke's Sharinnegan

While I don't care about the generally non-justified argument from the Sasuke fanbase, I think it is too soon to related or compare Sasuke's eye with Kaguya's eye. This being said, I have notice that Sasuke's fanbase is really depressed and hungry for power, and therefore, they are out to make any comparison that can keep their hope alive. One such comparison is always related to Kaguya.

First, they look at everything Kaguya can do, then they relate Sasuke's eye to her eye, and finally conclude that Sasuke will have similar power. However, there are many flaws in their arguments:

(a) Kaguya has Sharingan as stated by Hagoromo, and they claim that Sasuke has Rinnegan.
(b) There is no evidence that Kaguya has ever used her third eye to perform a Jutsu other than IT
(c) They ignore that Kaguya has Juubi's power, Byakugan, and the chakra that she get from IT.​

Basically, I am saying that Kaguya may not even be using her Sharingan to teleport. She may not even be using a dojutsus but pure ninjutsu. Thus, all the comparison of Sasuke's eye with Kaguya's eye are mostly baseless, and are not back up by any action or fact. Even BZ could move through things such as earth, trees, etc without having the third eye. He could record scenes as well. Thus, BZ could be the one teleporting across dimensions while Kaguya performing ninjutsus to change landscape.


IV. The tree of knowledge of good and evil vs the tree of life.

Disclaimer: For those who hate religion, and specially christianity, you may stop reading at this point.

Now, everyone knows that the Shinju tree is the source of the Sharingan that Kaguya has.

Kaguya's eye is the fruit that come out the flower of the Shinju
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So as you can see, by eating the Shinju, or the tree of knowledge of good and evil, one obtain the eye that can give power to dominate over everything through IT. However, I think the Shinju does not give power over life and death. Just as Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden after they ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, I think Kaguya failed to obtain the fruit or power that could have given her control over life and death.

Just as in the garden of eden, I think there is another tree, or something else that give power over life and death. This means once you obtain such power, you can move across all realms including the realm of the dead, the living, and the gods. This lead me to the hypothesis above:

Hypothesis: Hagoromo was the only one who could scratch the power to control life and death. This power is manifest to those who can fully control his Rinnegan. It is also becoming clear that he did not get his Rinnegan from his mother as well. The source of his Rinnegan is yet to be revealed.

I know you will say it is Ashura and Indra's chakra, but this is not true. I am talking about the original power that gave Hagoromo the Rinnegan. Also, I believe there is a reason why Hamura disappeared from the record to leave Hagoromo has the sole hero.

V. Conclusion

In this thread, I did my best to show that Hagoromo's Rinnegan is the greatest dojutsus so far shown in the manga. I also raised a doubt on the ability of Kaguya and Sasuke's eye to produce new power besides vision field and the IT. similarly, I showed that there is no evidence as to whether Kaguya is using her third eye or not, and that her current power is the result of many source of justsu other than dojutsu including Juubi, BZ, and human chakra collected using IT.

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1. I think ure right that hagoromo's rinnegan is not related to kaguya !
2. I agree that sasuke's new visual jutsu is not a rinnegan ! He hasn't shown any rinnegan power up till now.
 

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As the title states, in this thread, I will talk about the various dojutsus mentioned, and their order. First, I will prove that Rinnegan is greater than all the other dojutsus. The reason I want to do this is that many people on the base think Kaguya's eye is the father of all eyes when actually it is not true. I believe that Rikudo's Rinnegan was not inherited from his mother unlike what people are saying because his mother did not have such power. Before we begin, I want to say that every time I mention the word Rinnegan, I mean the eyes of Hagoromo, not any other eye.

I. Kaguya's eye is a subset of the Hagoromo's Rinnegan

Hagoromo's Rinnegan as awakened by Madara
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So as shown above, Hagoromo's Rinnegan is the one Nagato, Madara, Obito and Hagoromo himself have shown so far. This Rinnegan can control all the six realms that have been so far in the Narutoverse - that is animals, humans, hell, etc. The most important is that Madara Uchiha has shown that once someone has the Rinnegan, he can also open a third eye once he get close to the moon.

The third eye source made plain and crystal clear
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So, as we can see here, while we know Kaguya had, and has the same third eye as Madara, it is obvious that this third eye is not the source of the Rinnegan. Rather, those who have the Rinnegan can also open this third eye if they want. The reason Hagoromo initially wrote the stone tablet was to avoid such situation in case someone awaken his Rinnegan. From here, I draw my first thesis/conclusion:

Thesis 1: Hagoromo's Rinnegan is more powerful than Kaguya's third eye because the owner of the Rinnegan can also open the same third eye. In fact, in mathematics, we would say that Kaguya's third eye is included, or a subset of Hagoromo's Rinnegan.


II. Sasuke's eye: A Sharingan or a Rinnegan?

Well, Madara called it Rinnegan as we can see below:

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As we can see above, Sasuke's eye has nothing to do with Hagoromo's Rinnegan. However, Madara called it the Rinnegan, and therefore, all the fanbase who was dying to see Sasuke with a Rinnegan has widely accepted this fact. Unfortunately for them, Sasuke has not shown any noticeable Hagoromo's Rinnegan effect yet, and therefore, they keep making prediction to prove that Sasuke's eye is powerful than Hagoromo's. In the first point above, I have shown that Sasuke's rinnegan cannot even come close to hagoromo's Rinnegan because it has at best a subset of Hagoromo's eye. Now, let check the Sharinnegan very close.

Sasuke showing both Sharingan and Sharinnegan (right and left eye)
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Notice in this image that in the right eye, Sasuke has the Sharingan (3 tomoes). What are the characteristic of this sharingan?

(a) Three tomoes inscribed in on a circle​
(b) One additional circle without any tomoes​

This leads to a second thesis.

Thesis 2: Both Sharingan and Rinnegan can possess circle. More precisely, in a Sharingan, every triple of tomoes is located on a circle.

According to this, if a Sharingan as nine tomoes it will have at least 4 circles, where the outter circle will have no tomoes. If a Sharingan has 6 tomoes, it will show at least three circle, where the third circle has no tomoe. From this, we could hypothetically say that Sasuke's current eye is a giant Sharingan with sometime 6 tomoes and some other times 9. However, I will not engage in such discussion, and therefore, I leave the topic of Sasuke having Rinnegan opened, but state this:

Thesis 3: Unless Sasuke is shown using six paths techniques, which are the signature of Hagoromo's Rinnegan, I maintain that Sasuke's eye is a giant Sharingan with Infinite Tsukyomi power.

Of course, this third thesis is not stating that there is nothing more about Sasuke's eye. Rather, I am comparing its power to Hagoromo's power.

III. Kaguya's Sharingan vs Sasuke's Sharinnegan

While I don't care about the generally non-justified argument from the Sasuke fanbase, I think it is too soon to related or compare Sasuke's eye with Kaguya's eye. This being said, I have notice that Sasuke's fanbase is really depressed and hungry for power, and therefore, they are out to make any comparison that can keep their hope alive. One such comparison is always related to Kaguya.

First, they look at everything Kaguya can do, then they relate Sasuke's eye to her eye, and finally conclude that Sasuke will have similar power. However, there are many flaws in their arguments:

(a) Kaguya has Sharingan as stated by Hagoromo, and they claim that Sasuke has Rinnegan.
(b) There is no evidence that Kaguya has ever used her third eye to perform a Jutsu other than IT
(c) They ignore that Kaguya has Juubi's power, Byakugan, and the chakra that she get from IT.​

Basically, I am saying that Kaguya may not even be using her Sharingan to teleport. She may not even be using a dojutsus but pure ninjutsu. Thus, all the comparison of Sasuke's eye with Kaguya's eye are mostly baseless, and are not back up by any action or fact. Even BZ could move through things such as earth, trees, etc without having the third eye. He could record scenes as well. Thus, BZ could be the one teleporting across dimensions while Kaguya performing ninjutsus to change landscape.


IV. The tree of knowledge of good and evil vs the tree of life.

Disclaimer: For those who hate religion, and specially christianity, you may stop reading at this point.

Now, everyone knows that the Shinju tree is the source of the Sharingan that Kaguya has.

Kaguya's eye is the fruit that come out the flower of the Shinju
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So as you can see, by eating the Shinju, or the tree of knowledge of good and evil, one obtain the eye that can give power to dominate over everything through IT. However, I think the Shinju does not give power over life and death. Just as Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden after they ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, I think Kaguya failed to obtain the fruit or power that could have given her control over life and death.

Just as in the garden of eden, I think there is another tree, or something else that give power over life and death. This means once you obtain such power, you can move across all realms including the realm of the dead, the living, and the gods. This lead me to the hypothesis above:

Hypothesis: Hagoromo was the only one who could scratch the power to control life and death. This power is manifest to those who can fully control his Rinnegan. It is also becoming clear that he did not get his Rinnegan from his mother as well. The source of his Rinnegan is yet to be revealed.

I know you will say it is Ashura and Indra's chakra, but this is not true. I am talking about the original power that gave Hagoromo the Rinnegan. Also, I believe there is a reason why Hamura disappeared from the record to leave Hagoromo has the sole hero.

V. Conclusion

In this thread, I did my best to show that Hagoromo's Rinnegan is the greatest dojutsus so far shown in the manga. I also raised a doubt on the ability of Kaguya and Sasuke's eye to produce new power besides vision field and the IT. similarly, I showed that there is no evidence as to whether Kaguya is using her third eye or not, and that her current power is the result of many source of justsu other than dojutsu including Juubi, BZ, and human chakra collected using IT.

Your thoughts are welcome.
Didn't read much of this, but it's nonsense. Both Kaguya and Sasuke have a rinnegan, as that's what Kishimoto called it. Hagoromo never said Kaguya had the sharingan, but the sharingan's abilities. Madara also does not state that ones who have the rinnegan can proceed to get close to the moon and gain the third rinnegan, but that people who have the power of the ten-tails(Viz) can attain it. The whole story would be pointless if he could have done it the moment he got the rinnegan when he was old. The red rinnegan is the original eye power and carries all the abilities of the six paths as well, since it was said Kaguya can absorb all nin-jutsu. Sasuke may or may not have these as well, but we'll just have to see.
 
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III. Kaguya's Sharingan vs Sasuke's Sharinnegan

While I don't care about the generally non-justified argument from the Sasuke fanbase, I think it is too soon to related or compare Sasuke's eye with Kaguya's eye. This being said, I have notice that Sasuke's fanbase is really depressed and hungry for power, and therefore, they are out to make any comparison that can keep their hope alive. One such comparison is always related to Kaguya.

First, they look at everything Kaguya can do, then they relate Sasuke's eye to her eye, and finally conclude that Sasuke will have similar power. However, there are many flaws in their arguments:

(a) Kaguya has Sharingan as stated by Hagoromo, and they claim that Sasuke has Rinnegan.
(b) There is no evidence that Kaguya has ever used her third eye to perform a Jutsu other than IT
(c) They ignore that Kaguya has Juubi's power, Byakugan, and the chakra that she get from IT.​

Basically, I am saying that Kaguya may not even be using her Sharingan to teleport. She may not even be using a dojutsus but pure ninjutsu. Thus, all the comparison of Sasuke's eye with Kaguya's eye are mostly baseless, and are not back up by any action or fact. Even BZ could move through things such as earth, trees, etc without having the third eye. He could record scenes as well. Thus, BZ could be the one teleporting across dimensions while Kaguya performing ninjutsus to change landscape.

a he never said she had the sharingan but the powers of the sharingan. he never explicitly called it a sharingan.
b there is plenty of evidence

soryy to burst your bubble but kaguya is indeed using her third eye to switch dimensions as shown here

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as you can see, in the first scan, the eye is explicitly zoomed into and we can see some lines around it which indicate that a jutsu is being used from it. next scan then shows that she has ported them to an ice dimension. so yh it was her third eye that enables her switch dimensions.

want further proof? ok then lets look at sasuke who has the same eye.

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from here you can see sasukes eye being zoomed exactly the same as when kaguyas eye was zoomed, look at the motion lines are surrounding the eye, it shows sasuke is about to use a jutsu. and he did

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so you see, sasukes eye is same kaguya, to showcase that they were about to use a jutsu with their sharinnegan, kishi zoomed and both times, jutsus were executed-kaguya switching dimensions and sasuke putting a sword in madaras chest.

also its no coincidence the same eye which is wielded by both parties produce a similar type of jutsu which is teleportation. in kaguyas case she can switch dimensions with her eye while sasuke can port an object into ones body or port into hes attack like he did to madara and kaguya. that is the ability of the eye but of course kaguyas jutsu is off a much greater scale than sasuke than sasukes which shouldnt be surprising. however it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that sasukes next power upgrade will involve aspects of kaguyas own teleportation. he will be able to use the potential of the jutsu to the max, theres a reason kishi gave him the eye and theres a reason kishi is showing kaguyas abilities through the same eye which is similar to sasukes but on a greater scale. however sasukes potential is for him to be able to master the ability to the point of kaguyas, maybe not on her scale but at least close to it. he will get the full potential of the eye as its entirely logical.
 

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I agree with most parts but i also disagree with some points as well. it's a good read.
 

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I agree with some points made

I think Kaguya's powers is here sharingan powers

The rinnegan with tomoe is just a doujustu that always you to use your uchiha powers with your rinnegan activated.

Like Sasuke using perfect Susanoo, Amatersu, and Enton with his rinnegan.

While on Madara's behalf, he can't use his sharingan powers with his rinnegan activated.

He will need to deactivate to his MS before he can use Susanoo.

Note: Sasuke activated his rinnegan through Itachi's eyes

While Madara changed back to his MS eyes after using one EMS for Inzanagi
 

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a he never said she had the sharingan but the powers of the sharingan. he never explicitly called it a sharingan.
b there is plenty of evidence

soryy to burst your bubble but kaguya is indeed using her third eye to switch dimensions as shown here

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as you can see, in the first scan, the eye is explicitly zoomed into and we can see some lines around it which indicate that a jutsu is being used from it. next scan then shows that she has ported them to an ice dimension. so yh it was her third eye that enables her switch dimensions.

want further proof? ok then lets look at sasuke who has the same eye.

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from here you can see sasukes eye being zoomed exactly the same as when kaguyas eye was zoomed, look at the motion lines are surrounding the eye, it shows sasuke is about to use a jutsu. and he did

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so you see, sasukes eye is same kaguya, to showcase that they were about to use a jutsu with their sharinnegan, kishi zoomed and both times, jutsus were executed-kaguya switching dimensions and sasuke putting a sword in madaras chest.

also its no coincidence the same eye which is wielded by both parties produce a similar type of jutsu which is teleportation. in kaguyas case she can switch dimensions with her eye while sasuke can port an object into ones body or port into hes attack like he did to madara and kaguya. that is the ability of the eye but of course kaguyas jutsu is off a much greater scale than sasuke than sasukes which shouldnt be surprising. however it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that sasukes next power upgrade will involve aspects of kaguyas own teleportation. he will be able to use the potential of the jutsu to the max, theres a reason kishi gave him the eye and theres a reason kishi is showing kaguyas abilities through the same eye which is similar to sasukes but on a greater scale. however sasukes potential is for him to be able to master the ability to the point of kaguyas, maybe not on her scale but at least close to it. he will get the full potential of the eye as its entirely logical.

I understand most of the argument you pointed. It is true that showcasing the perspective line around the eyes means the owner has is using that eye. However, does it means that he is using the jutsu of the eye? This is what my argument is. An eye can be seen for vision and Jutsu, and in both case, it is still activated.

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In the picture above, Naruto's eyes are zoomed upon when Kaguya charged on him. Does it means the Jutsus Naruto performed next are from his eyes? Obviously no!

This is my point, and it states that there is no evidence that Kaguya is using any jutsus from his eye. It is simply an assumption that ignore the fact that she has Juubi power, Byakugan, and BZ and juubi's power that she is using as well.

Moreover, Kaguya is not teleporting anything with her eye. She only changing landscapes by using some type of elemental release. When she want to move across space, you cannot tell if she is teleporting or if she is simply opening doors in the element - that is she can move through the ground just like Zetsus, become one with the air, etc. It has been shown that her movement is very slow as it takes many panel to complete.
 
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I disagree with you !
That eye can use the rinnegan and the sharingan power in the same eye , and that's why sasuke can't turn his eye to EMS !!
And the Dimensional shifting is jutsu for the rinnegan and the teleportation also !!!!
You can use the wiki , the informations there are very true !!!!!!!!
 

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a he never said she had the sharingan but the powers of the sharingan. he never explicitly called it a sharingan.
b there is plenty of evidence

soryy to burst your bubble but kaguya is indeed using her third eye to switch dimensions as shown here

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as you can see, in the first scan, the eye is explicitly zoomed into and we can see some lines around it which indicate that a jutsu is being used from it. next scan then shows that she has ported them to an ice dimension. so yh it was her third eye that enables her switch dimensions.

want further proof? ok then lets look at sasuke who has the same eye.

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from here you can see sasukes eye being zoomed exactly the same as when kaguyas eye was zoomed, look at the motion lines are surrounding the eye, it shows sasuke is about to use a jutsu. and he did

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so you see, sasukes eye is same kaguya, to showcase that they were about to use a jutsu with their sharinnegan, kishi zoomed and both times, jutsus were executed-kaguya switching dimensions and sasuke putting a sword in madaras chest.

also its no coincidence the same eye which is wielded by both parties produce a similar type of jutsu which is teleportation. in kaguyas case she can switch dimensions with her eye while sasuke can port an object into ones body or port into hes attack like he did to madara and kaguya. that is the ability of the eye but of course kaguyas jutsu is off a much greater scale than sasuke than sasukes which shouldnt be surprising. however it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that sasukes next power upgrade will involve aspects of kaguyas own teleportation. he will be able to use the potential of the jutsu to the max, theres a reason kishi gave him the eye and theres a reason kishi is showing kaguyas abilities through the same eye which is similar to sasukes but on a greater scale. however sasukes potential is for him to be able to master the ability to the point of kaguyas, maybe not on her scale but at least close to it. he will get the full potential of the eye as its entirely logical.
So true here , thank you a lot man !
 

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So Sasuke has a Sharingan, in a Sharingan, sometimes in another Sharingan? *Head explodes*

This thread gets my seal of approval.
 

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I disagree with you !
That eye can use the rinnegan and the sharingan power in the same eye , and that's why sasuke can't turn his eye to EMS !!
And the Dimensional shifting is jutsu for the rinnegan and the teleportation also !!!!
You can use the wiki , the informations there are very true !!!!!!!!

Well, I don't know what you call Rinnegan, but so far I have not seen any Rinnegan Jutsu from Sasuke. As far as my knowledge of Rinnegan is concerned, I know shubaku tensei, shinra tensei, animal path, preta path, etc. If Sasuke starts to use these jutsus and paths, I will admit that he has Rinnegan.

What I have seen so far is seeing a chakra being that is invisible to normal people, being immune to a genjutsu, perfroming short range fast movement, etc. All these power are not too far from Sharingan powers. Sharingan is known for seeing chakra and we saw Obito stab that Kakashi couldn't see in Kakashi gaiden. Uchiha Shisui was called Shisui of the Shunshin because he Sharingan could allow him to teleport himself, and we already know that Sharingan has Genjutsus power. these tells me that Sasuke has more of a Sharingan than a Rinnegan.
 

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While I don't agree with your theory, I think it makes sense.

I disagree in the point of where you state that Hagoromo's Rinnegan didn't come from Kaguya's Rinnegan (I guess this is completely against your theory). Furthermore, Hagoromo said that Kaguya had Sharingan powers, but not a Sharingan per se (her Rinnegan is not the same as Hagoromo's Rinnegan, nonetheless).

I think that it is natural to assume that Kaguya's Rinnegan subdivided in two sets of Eyes: The Sharingan and the Rinnegan. I don't think her eyes "had to hold the powers of a Rinnegan", but had to hold the potential to adquire these powers given certain conditions.

Hagoromo said that Madara awakened the Purple Rinnegan when Madara combined Ashura's and Indra's chakra. Well... what's the difference between Sasuke's and Madara's Rinnegan then? Sasuke awakened this "Sharinnegan" when he got Ashura + Indra's chakra (the basic requirement for Hagoromo's Rinnegan) + Hagoromo's Moon Mark (Yin overflow + Shizen Energy).

So, probably Kaguya could not use powers of the Six path due the lack of balance in her eye (just as Naruto can't hold Shizen energy when there is no balance of Spiritual and Physical Energy in his chakra network system, as explained by Fukusaku-jiisama during the Sage Mode training).

This, or she simple is not using these powers because she does not need to use them. Anyways, assuming that she can't use them because she has not been using them is a fallacy, and you should take care with this (because if she comes with the use of a Six Path technique from that eye in the following chapters, people might start to tell that Kishimoto did an asspull because they could be sticking way too much with this theory, when in truth there could be more possibilities).

I thanked for the effort, anyways. It was pretty elaboranted, and I liked the workaround.
 

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Well, I don't know what you call Rinnegan, but so far I have not seen any Rinnegan Jutsu from Sasuke. As far as my knowledge of Rinnegan is concerned, I know shubaku tensei, shinra tensei, animal path, preta path, etc. If Sasuke starts to use these jutsus and paths, I will admit that he has Rinnegan.

What I have seen so far is seeing a chakra being that is invisible to normal people, being immune to a genjutsu, perfroming short range fast movement, etc. All these power are not too far from Sharingan powers. Sharingan is known for seeing chakra and we saw Obito stab that Kakashi couldn't see in Kakashi gaiden. Uchiha Shisui was called Shisui of the Shunshin because he Sharingan could allow him to teleport himself, and we already know that Sharingan has Genjutsus power. these tells me that Sasuke has more of a Sharingan than a Rinnegan.
Are you serious ?
The 6 paths are used by two rinnegan , Sasuke cant do that with one rinnegan !
 
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Or sausage can access both rinne and sharingan techs but hasnt learned any six paths eye techs...?????

Madara read tablet, and taught obito,tobi told nagato he was a protecter of those with rinnegan so when akastuchi(too lazy for google sry) was formed tobi most likely taught him.
 

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Are you serious ?
The 6 paths are used by two rinnegan , Sasuke cant do that with one rinnegan !

Show a single manga panel where it is stated that the six paths are used by two Rinnegan. If you do, I will admit it. Otherwise, I will say I am tired of all the asspull reasoning of Sasuke's fanbase. I mean you guys create thread and throw arguments in thread whenever it come to your mind. None of your arguments are based on Manga facts.

Obito never used six paths techniques, and he explained why - He could not control the purple Rinnegan because the power of it was two overwhelming. This is manga fact.
 
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^ i second this even madara used rinbo hengoku or sumtin like that with one eye and obito wasnt welll versed in the techs and he could use kamui instead of rinne absorbtion.
 
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