Rinnegan Sasuke vs. BSM Naruto

[SenseiSama]

If Sasuke awakens a normal pair of Rinnegan then Naruto should NOT be having RSM, just the 9 bijuu's chakra with SM.

 

[NarutoX28]

If Sasuke awakens a normal pair of Rinnegan then Naruto should NOT be having RSM, just the 9 bijuu's chakra with SM.

Naruto doesn't have the 9 Bijuus Chakra. His BSM remains the same except the only difference in Scenarios 2 and 3 is that he has all of Kurama's power as opposed to just having half of it.

 

[Warlocks]

Scenario 1 naruto wins
Scenario 2 naruto wins
Scenario 3 sasuke wins

 

[SenseiSama]

Naruto doesn't have the 9 Bijuus Chakra. His BSM remains the same except the only difference in Scenarios 2 and 3 is that he has all of Kurama's power as opposed to just having half of it.

BSM is a result of the Sage chakra he receievd from Hagoromo, likewise 6T Rinnegan is from the Sage chakra Sasuke received from Hagoromo. If Sasuke awakens the normal pair of Rinnegan it means that he did not meet the Sage, so the same should apply to Naruto.

Without the Sage chakra Naruto should have full Kurama + the chakra of 9 bijuu which gives him BSM with 8 KKG. That's more than enough to put him on par with double Rinnegan Sasuke who won't have any of the Sharingan or EMS abilities like you said.

 

[NarutoX28]

BSM is a result of the Sage chakra he receievd from Hagoromo, likewise 6T Rinnegan is from the Sage chakra Sasuke received from Hagoromo. If Sasuke awakens the normal pair of Rinnegan it means that he did not meet the Sage, so the same should apply to Naruto.

No, BSM is the mode he used against Juubito by combining his own Senjutsu Chakra with Naruto's Bijuu Mode.

I will concede though as Naruto technically did have some of the Bijuu's Chakra, but he didn't seem to possess as much control over their Chakra as he did after meeting with Hagoromo.

Without the Sage chakra Naruto should have full Kurama + the chakra of 9 bijuu which gives him BSM with 8 KKG. That's more than enough to put him on par with double Rinnegan Sasuke who won't have any of the Sharingan or EMS abilities like you said.

Well, Sasuke has his PS in this scenario and it's his EMS PS that's boosted by Rikudou Chakra (And the boost depends on the person that's debating IMO).

Though now that I think of it, you're somewhat right here, but I'll simply have BSM Naruto not having access to any of the Bijuu's Chakra as he never showcased those feats with his BSM.

 

[oxtopus]

I love your sig.... take my rep

Saitama solos

 

[Risuna23]

Saitama solos

Yes he does U_U

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

This is a stomp match in Sasuke's favor.
Scenerio 1: Sasuke's Susanoo > should be much superior to BSM Avatar since OP scales his powers to his Rikudou level. Sasuke's Susanoo will tank anything Naruto throws at him. RSM could barely dodge Sasuke's ameno rush so BSM is definitely not dodging. Sasuke Ameno + Sword or Ameno + Human path, and thats it for Naruto.

Scenerio 2 and Scenerio 3 is a stomp in Sasuke's favor. Sasuke uses Gedo Mazou like Madara did in chapter 660, and Naruto dies, simple as that.

Sasuke low diffs S1 and no diffs S2/S3

 

[Pyro NB]

Sharinne Sasuke destroys BSM Naruto

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Christ. People saying Naruto wins. By manga. EMS Sasuke = BSM Naruto so anything above that eats him alive. Sheesh.

Ameno neggs. CT neggs.

 

[Michael]

Please provide an in-depth explanation or don't post at all.

Because Michael said so, deal with it.

 

[NarutoX28]

Because Michael said so, deal with it.

Not good enough.

 

[Eng nawashi]

You have barely restricted anything from sasuke ,you have just restricted hagormo chakra half which sasuke doesn't have and replaced his one eyed rinnegan with double regular Rinnegan ,which is nearly the same .so this basically manga rinnegan sasuke .he shits all scenarios.

 

[TheSages456]

Sasuke doesn't have half of Hagoromo's chakra in the 1st place, so there is no restriction there.
Sasuke possessing a Rinnegan like Madara instead of the one that Hagoromo gave him means that he doesn't possess Amenotejikara.
For some reason, you took away his Sharingan abilities, so he doesn't possess Amaterasu or Enton either, though these wouldn't be a factor in this fight regardless.

In S1, Sasuke kills Naruto easily with PS.

S2 and S3 are basically Rinnegan Sasuke vs The Last Naruto. PS & 100% Kurama clash as they did before.
The Mokuryu is useless. 100% Kurama already destroyed it easily with a standard Bijudama. Naruto can win via attrition.

 

[NarutoX28]

You have barely restricted anything from sasuke ,you have just restricted hagormo chakra half which sasuke doesn't have and replaced his one eyed rinnegan with double regular Rinnegan ,which is nearly the same .so this basically manga rinnegan sasuke .he shits all scenarios.

Well, in this scenario, Sasuke never received directly received Hagoromo's chakra.

Instead, his Indra Chakra fused with the Ashura Chakra that he obtained from Kabuto and formed Rikudou Chakra which definitely shouldn't be as much as the amount he received from Hagoromo as Hagoromo's half enabled him to fight on a level comparable to Juubidara (Post-Shinju).

His Tomoe Rinnegan is far superior to a normal pair of Rinnegan as it not only reflects both Rikudou's and Indra's Chakra simultaneously, but the Rinnegan itself amplifies his own Sharingan techniques which he doesn't possess here and of course, due to having less Rikudou Chakra, his Rinnegan techniques are inferior.

Don't forget that Naruto's own boost now that he has Full Kurama should be massive, so take that into consideration as well.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Sasuke doesn't have half of Hagoromo's chakra in the 1st place, so there is no restriction there.
Sasuke possessing a Rinnegan like Madara instead of the one that Hagoromo gave him means that he doesn't possess Amenotejikara.
For some reason, you took away his Sharingan abilities, so he doesn't possess Amaterasu or Enton either, though these wouldn't be a factor in this fight regardless.

In S1, Sasuke kills Naruto easily with PS.

S2 and S3 are basically Rinnegan Sasuke vs The Last Naruto. PS & 100% Kurama clash as they did before.
The Mokuryu is useless. 100% Kurama already destroyed it easily with a standard Bijudama. Naruto can win via attrition.

Ameno is his special rinnegan ability like limbo is madara's. Just because he doesn't get rinnegan directly from Hagaromo does not mean he won't have Ameno.

And no, BSM Naruto that faced juubito but with full Kurama is not the same as the last Naruto.

Sasuke wins all scenarios.

 

[TheSages456]

Ameno is his special rinnegan ability like limbo is madara's. Just because he doesn't get rinnegan directly from Hagaromo does not mean he won't have Ameno.

Amenotejikara:

A ninjutsu using the Rinnegan received from the Sage of Six Paths. With in a certain range, the jutsu user can switch himself with the location of a target object in an instant. If the user switches himself with other objects in close-range combat, the user can evade enemy attacks in an instant, and can also attack by switching himself with a kunai or other weapon.

And no, BSM Naruto that faced juubito but with full Kurama is not the same as the last Naruto.

Sasuke wins all scenarios.

What? Excluding things like focusing his shroud into his hand and fighting separately from Kurama, they are the exact same character. No, Sasuke does not win in all scenarios.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Well, in this scenario, Sasuke never received directly received Hagoromo's chakra.

Instead, his Indra Chakra fused with the Ashura Chakra that he obtained from Kabuto and formed Rikudou Chakra which definitely shouldn't be as much as the amount he received from Hagoromo as Hagoromo's half enabled him to fight on a level comparable to Juubidara (Post-Shinju).

His Tomoe Rinnegan is far superior to a normal pair of Rinnegan as it not only reflects both Rikudou's and Indra's Chakra simultaneously, but the Rinnegan itself amplifies his own Sharingan techniques which he doesn't possess here and of course, due to having less Rikudou Chakra, his Rinnegan techniques are inferior.

Don't forget that Naruto's own boost now that he has Full Kurama should be massive, so take that into consideration as well.

Sasuke never received hagromo chakra half in the manga .
How does Tomoe Rinnegan boost Sharingan techniques while regular pair of Rinnegan doesn't ? Can you elaborate this part ?

 

[NarutoX28]

Sasuke never received hagromo chakra half in the manga .

Please elaborate. Naruto did, so Sasuke did as well and I can show you the scans that prove it.

How does Tomoe Rinnegan boost Sharingan techniques while regular pair of Rinnegan doesn't ? Can you elaborate this part ?

A regular pair of Rinnegan doesn't enhance Sharingan abilities directly as it's not being used with the Sharingan simultaneously and doesn't reflect Indra's Chakra or the Sharingan whereas the Tomoe Rinnegan does. What I mean by this is that the Rinnegan's chakra does enhance the techniques such as Susano'o due to Rikudou > Indra's Chakra, but the eyes themselves don't enhance the Sharingan's abilities.

One example of the Rinnegan enhancing the Sharingan's abilities directly is this:

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Where Sasuke doesn't use his dominant eye in Genjutsu meaning that the only likely conclusion is that Sasuke used the Rinnegan's ocular prowess to strengthen his Sharingan's abillities.

This also explains why Mugen Tsukyomi requires the RinneSharingan (A superior variant of the Tomoe Rinnegan) as it requires the Rinnegan to boost the ocular prowess of the Sharingan.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Amenotejikara:

A ninjutsu using the Rinnegan received from the Sage of Six Paths. With in a certain range, the jutsu user can switch himself with the location of a target object in an instant. If the user switches himself with other objects in close-range combat, the user can evade enemy attacks in an instant, and can also attack by switching himself with a kunai or other weapon.

What? Excluding things like focusing his shroud into his hand and fighting separately from Kurama, they are the exact same character. No, Sasuke does not win in all scenarios.

The Naruto from the last movie still has his rikudou upgrades, whatever mode he caught in during the last does not change that fact. So no, it does not make him the same as the last Naruto. It's just BSM(juubito fight) Naruto with a lot more chakra.

A rikudou Sasuke(even indirect rikudou chakra from mixing Indra and ashura) still slaughters him.