Rinnegan or Sharingan

[peaceful]

Do that, and ill come with my arguement and paste them in your thread.

OK!!! Tomorrow then...

 

[Mugiwara]

OK!!! Tomorrow then...

ITS ON B**** hehehehe

 

[Preta]

Sharingan can control Kuybi. Like rinnegan the bodies.

Yes, but did that statement come with a point? So far the only uchiha we know of that was able to summon the demon fox was Madara, so bringing the fox into the fight is stating a Madara vs, in this case, Pain battle. Which as I stated is a battle that could be swayed by experience and has very little to do with eye techs.

Maybe. I want proof for the powers of Rikoudo however.

If you argue like that then there is no argument to be had. We know of the Sage's power from comments by pain and J-man, to say you are not convinced because we haven't seen it first hand, is the same as me saying "I want proof of Madara's power, can he even summon the fox? That might all be hearsay." See the problem? You can't pick and choose what to believe, its a sign of desperation.

Members are needed for the sealing of the weak bijuus let alone the nine tails. Madara can teleport so your argument is invalid.

What does Madara teleporting have to do with anything? You think Pain would get caught by the fox? We saw how he easily outran the 8 tails, so your argument is invalid(lol). And while they do need people to seal the bijuu, my statement was simply to show that Pain's summon is most likely more powerful than a Bijuu.

Susanoo, kamui etc.

You win, those are far beyond creating the moon or bringing entire villages back to life...yeah.

Useless in a fight between two, a sharingan user and a rinnegan one.

Well he gets to control the sharingan users death. =)

Yes i know. Like being able to perieve the pattern of the enmeys attacks. Copy their attcks, cause confusion. Yes i know.

Hmm, you're not seriously comparing the two? Any skilled ninja can predict the pattern of attacks and the Rinnegan allows its user to learn "copy" new jutsu at a pace beyond even the sharingan(if you remember J-mans story of Nagato's training). And cause confusion? A smoke bomb can manage that...you are really reaching. However a sharingan user, or any ninja for that matter, cannot use all 6 nature types, so there are jutsu they simply cannot do, the same cannot be said for a Rinnegan user.

Kuybi is stronger than Nagato. This is what Kisi told me in chapter 1.

Oh are you listening to Kishi again? So only when it's convenient? The Kyuubi has nothing to do with this argument, as we already discussed, the Rinnegan user can summon many crazy things to fight the fox. So why are you doing this whole nagato vs fox thing? As if he would go punch the fox in the nose rather than combat it with a seal or summon of his own? Just plain silly.

Yes why not?

Why not what? Do you want the quotes? Go find them, they are in the Susanno thread.

No. You fail to understand what Kishi means by god... I will post a thread to make it understandable.

Oh and I suppose by invincible he also means "not invincible." This is becoming so tiresome, what Kishi says is pretty straightfoward, you aren't going to post a thread on what Kishi thinks(as if you know), you are going to post a thread on what Peaceful wishes Kishi thought, come on, this is getting ridiculous.

Lastly, you two going on with the semantics of what J-man said, pulling out dictionary definitions, the whole thing is a joke. Why is it that sleepy got the translation wrong but your guy got it right? I mean here we are again, you believing what you want simply because you want to. Hell how do we know the whole manga hasn't been mistranslated? I mean why does it only get mistranslated when it is convenient for you? And even if J-man said "revered, or sublime," he said it in context to the other eye techniques, so it was what? "The most revered of the three eye techs." I mean anyway you slice it, the meaning is obvious, unless you slice it with an Uchiha fanboy knife, then everything apparently becomes blurry.

 

[peaceful]

Yes, but did that statement come with a point? So far the only uchiha we know of that was able to summon the demon fox was Madara, so bringing the fox into the fight is stating a Madara vs, in this case, Pain battle. Which as I stated is a battle that could be swayed by experience and has very little to do with eye techs.

Because he is the only wielder of ems...

If you argue like that then there is no argument to be had. We know of the Sage's power from comments by pain and J-man, to say you are not convinced because we haven't seen it first hand, is the same as me saying "I want proof of Madara's power, can he even summon the fox? That might all be hearsay." See the problem? You can't pick and choose what to believe, its a sign of desperation

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We have seen signs of his power. Ordering Pain, toying with Kakashi and his team, being the leader of Uchihas, being on par with Shodai, being the leader of Akatsuki... About Rikoudo there is nothing. Just that he was the first ninja and that he probably could create big Chibaku tenseis.

What does Madara teleporting have to do with anything? You think Pain would get caught by the fox? We saw how he easily outran the 8 tails, so your argument is invalid(lol).

WTF? 8tails<<<9tails with full power...

And while they do need people to seal the bijuu, my statement was simply to show that Pain's summon is most likely more powerful than a Bijuu.

Why? He cannot seal it by himself. He cannot do anything with it. How is it stronger?

You win, those are far beyond creating the moon or bringing entire villages back to life...yeah.

I know i win.

Well he gets to control the sharingan users death. =)

You believe that if he wants he can just kill an opponent?

Hmm, you're not seriously comparing the two? Any skilled ninja can predict the pattern of attacks

No. Sharingan users are better than anyone. This is a biased statement there.

and the Rinnegan allows its user to learn "copy" new jutsu

Learn. Not copy. Sharingan users can copy something during the battle. Rinnegan users cannot learn every jutsu if they do not know how it is done unlike Sharingan users that can even copy rasengan.

And cause confusion? A smoke bomb can manage that...

No. Kakashi caused confusion to Zabuza. His mist which is better than a simple smoke bomb did not.

you are really reaching. However a sharingan user, or any ninja for that matter, cannot use all 6 nature types, so there are jutsu they simply cannot do, the same cannot be said for a Rinnegan user.

Ok.

Oh are you listening to Kishi again? So only when it's convenient?

No. I am always listening to Kishi. I can understand however why he is telling something about something, totally unlike you.

The Kyuubi has nothing to do with this argument, as we already discussed, the Rinnegan user can summon many crazy things to fight the fox.

I have not seen anything yet that can counter a nine tails full power Kuybi.

So why are you doing this whole nagato vs fox thing? As if he would go punch the fox in the nose rather than combat it with a seal or summon of his own? Just plain silly.

And why are you comparing just kuybi with Nagato? As if there wont be the ems sharingan user there.

Oh and I suppose by invincible he also means "not invincible." This is becoming so tiresome, what Kishi says is pretty straightfoward, you aren't going to post a thread on what Kishi thinks(as if you know), you are going to post a thread on what Peaceful wishes Kishi thought, come on, this is getting ridiculous

And you say that i am not open minded.

Lastly, you two going on with the semantics of what J-man said, pulling out dictionary definitions, the whole thing is a joke. Why is it that sleepy got the translation wrong but your guy got it right? I mean here we are again, you believing what you want simply because you want to. Hell how do we know the whole manga hasn't been mistranslated?

Ask a translator. Go to mangahelpers, educate yourself before ridiculing yourself.

I mean why does it only get mistranslated when it is convenient for you? And even if J-man said "revered, or sublime," he said it in context to the other eye techniques, so it was what? "The most revered of the three eye techs." I mean anyway you slice it, the meaning is obvious, unless you slice it with an Uchiha fanboy knife, then everything apparently becomes blurry.

Powerfull is not sublime,revered. Unless you are Rinnegan fanboy and then everything becomes blurry.

 

[Mugiwara]

Would you guys stop comparing madara and nagato? Madara toying around with kakashi and his team was only because of shunshin no jutsu, he just used sharingan to predict the movements....
As zetsu said in itachi vs sasuke fight "A eye tech is only a tool for the ninja, a expert with a rock can still beat a rookie with a kunai" know the meaning of that? than stop comparing the users and start comparing the tools!

 

[zumorikato]

What really goes beyond my ability to comprehend is that certain people really speculate regarding the different do jitsu's in the narutoverse.

I would like to clear up some speculations.

1. Not all the do jituso's share the same abilities. And by that I mean that you cant say that this user could have done this, and thus that user because he shares the same eyes do the same. For instance we have never seen Kakashi use Susanoo? Even though he hae the Msharingan, same as Itachi, he didnt have that ability, neither did Itachi have the ability to transport certain body parts to different dimensions. Same with Sasuke. Did you ever seen him transport certain body parts of the 8 tails?

Thus all arguments regarding, this user could do this, so that user must also have that ability. We call that speculations, and unfortunately you cant win a debate/argument when you speculate.

Thus, concluding from the above, all assumptions made regarding certain this person > that person due to the fact that they share those eyes are also null and void.

Please refrain from comparing users with one another, I know its difficult to exclude the users because its more about how the user is acquainted with how to use their do jitsu, thus you will find that this person pawns that person, not actually due to their do jitsu but to other external factors, to remove speculation again, please refrain from comparing users.


Last but not least, if Kishi says something is so, it is so. He is the creator of the naruto series, and if he says that pigs are the ultimate tailed beast, then it is so in the naruto series.

Another thing, please stop cherry picking certain parts of what users says. Its not a very professional way of debating, and you will find that your opponent will be starting with that same technique, and the outcome will be that of cherry picked parts, and not of the whole argument.

 

[Preta]

Because he is the only wielder of ems...

Yes...I'm well aware, what is your point? I say Madara is the only one who can summon the fox..then you agree and add why? Thanks for solidifying my argument in an attempt to sound smart.

We have seen signs of his power. Ordering Pain, toying with Kakashi and his team, being the leader of Uchihas, being on par with Shodai, being the leader of Akatsuki... About Rikoudo there is nothing. Just that he was the first ninja and that he probably could create big Chibaku tenseis.

Ahh tricky tricky. Well not really. "Ordering" Pain is not a sign of any power...Now this is the part I love, you say that him being the leader of Akatsuki is somehow a sign of power, I guess Tsunade ordering naruto and being the head oh Konoha means she's super powerful? Then you totally dismiss creating the moon and oh yeah inventing ninjutsu itself as small things? LOL. Yeah leading Akatsuki is far more impressive than creating the premise of this entire manga.

WTF? 8tails<<<9tails with full power...

Yeah I'm well aware it would be more powerful, still a giant beast fairly easy to out manuever. he had zero trouble running from 8 tails, 9 would be what? Small ammounts of trouble?

Why? He cannot seal it by himself. He cannot do anything with it. How is it stronger?

I dunno, it just removes the soul of anything it touches, and it has to be powerful enough to absorb and contain the powers of all 9 bijuu...other than that though, yeah I bet it's just a big whimp.

You believe that if he wants he can just kill an opponent?

Jokes going right over your head?

No. Sharingan users are better than anyone. This is a biased statement there.

Hmm are they? LOL you call me biased, then simply state "sharingan are the best." That's not slightly biased? This has to be a joke. Remeber the fight with J-man? How j-man couldn't touch Pain so he had to create diversions to blind him just to make a move? Pain had perfect timing, perfect reaction, and oh yeah, a perfect 360 field of vision with no weak point. I'd say that's pretty strong proof that a Rinnegan user can maybe, just maybe predict the enemies attacks.

Learn. Not copy. Sharingan users can copy something during the battle. Rinnegan users cannot learn every jutsu if they do not know how it is done unlike Sharingan users that can even copy rasengan.

Wrong again, you are arguing semantics. Why didn't Sasuke just do Chidori as soon as his sharingan saw Kakashi do it? Why did he need to train? Because sharingan allows you to see a justu and understand it, but you still must build the proper control and proficiency to use it. Rinnegan understands all jutsus the instant they are seen by it, and then as we saw in the J-man training, the user becomes proficient in those jutsu's amazingly fast, dare I say faster than the sharingan user? The eyes are probably about even in this category, but, again, because of it's nature limitations the sharingan user simply cannot do some justu's that he sees. I would say the edge very cleary goes to the Rinnegan user here as he does not share those limitations.

No. Kakashi caused confusion to Zabuza. His mist which is better than a simple smoke bomb did not.

I was kidding around with you, but yeah any genjutsu could be called confusion, Pain's chakra rods could obviously be called major confusion. Any decent ninja can cause "confusion," it's a pretty silly thing to argue.

No. I am always listening to Kishi. I can understand however why he is telling something about something, totally unlike you.

When you say you "understand why he is telling something about something"...you really just mean you interpret everything he says to fit your own ideas no matter how far off you are, don't you? Yeah I picked up on that.

I have not seen anything yet that can counter a nine tails full power Kuybi.

I have, the death god summon kicked it's ass and sealed it. I have yet to see anything that can counter the heretical demon statue though. ouch.

And why are you comparing just kuybi with Nagato? As if there wont be the ems sharingan user there.

lol do you now realize how ironic that statement is? Why are you comparing the Ems user and Kyuubi to nagato, as if he won't have his own summon there? Nice objectivity frank.

And you say that i am not open minded.

Are you saying not listening to you make up theories and twist storylines in order to make things work how you want them isn't open minded? I'd say doing so is just plain stupid.

Ask a translator. Go to mangahelpers, educate yourself before ridiculing yourself.

You know what friend, I think instead I'll trust the translation of the guys whom we have been trusting for a very long time. Again I think it is hilarious how you went searching for a rewrite of this one part, it must have phased you sooo bad being the sharingan fan that you are. But why stop there? if you can't trust sleepy on this, you can't trust any of the last 50 chapters right? Go retranslate those for me please, I'm sure we missed something important.

Powerfull is not sublime,revered. Unless you are Rinnegan fanboy and then everything becomes blurry.

Emperors are revered, heroes are revered, God is revered. So do you get to choose which revered it was while also choosing which translation to believe? Watch your step, you're starting to sound like your head is stuck in copius ammounts of sand.

 

[Mugiwara]

Yes...I'm well aware, what is your point? I say Madara is the only one who can summon the fox..then you agree and add why? Thanks for solidifying my argument in an attempt to sound smart.

Ahh tricky tricky. Well not really. "Ordering" Pain is not a sign of any power...Now this is the part I love, you say that him being the leader of Akatsuki is somehow a sign of power, I guess Tsunade ordering naruto and being the head oh Konoha means she's super powerful? Then you totally dismiss creating the moon and oh yeah inventing ninjutsu itself as small things? LOL. Yeah leading Akatsuki is far more impressive than creating the premise of this entire manga.

Yeah I'm well aware it would be more powerful, still a giant beast fairly easy to out manuever. he had zero trouble running from 8 tails, 9 would be what? Small ammounts of trouble?

I dunno, it just removes the soul of anything it touches, and it has to be powerful enough to absorb and contain the powers of all 9 bijuu...other than that though, yeah I bet it's just a big whimp.

Jokes going right over your head?

Hmm are they? LOL you call me biased, then simply state "sharingan are the best." That's not slightly biased? This has to be a joke. Remeber the fight with J-man? How j-man couldn't touch Pain so he had to create diversions to blind him just to make a move? Pain had perfect timing, perfect reaction, and oh yeah, a perfect 360 field of vision with no weak point. I'd say that's pretty strong proof that a Rinnegan user can maybe, just maybe predict the enemies attacks.

Wrong again, you are arguing semantics. Why didn't Sasuke just do Chidori as soon as his sharingan saw Kakashi do it? Why did he need to train? Because sharingan allows you to see a justu and understand it, but you still must build the proper control and proficiency to use it. Rinnegan understands all jutsus the instant they are seen by it, and then as we saw in the J-man training, the user becomes proficient in those jutsu's amazingly fast, dare I say faster than the sharingan user? The eyes are probably about even in this category, but, again, because of it's nature limitations the sharingan user simply cannot do some justu's that he sees. I would say the edge very cleary goes to the Rinnegan user here as he does not share those limitations.

I was kidding around with you, but yeah any genjutsu could be called confusion, Pain's chakra rods could obviously be called major confusion. Any decent ninja can cause "confusion," it's a pretty silly thing to argue.


When you say you "understand why he is telling something about something"...you really just mean you interpret everything he says to fit your own ideas no matter how far off you are, don't you? Yeah I picked up on that.


I have, the death god summon kicked it's ass and sealed it. I have yet to see anything that can counter the heretical demon statue though. ouch.


lol do you now realize how ironic that statement is? Why are you comparing the Ems user and Kyuubi to nagato, as if he won't have his own summon there? Nice objectivity frank.




Are you saying not listening to you make up theories and twist storylines in order to make things work how you want them isn't open minded? I'd say doing so is just plain stupid.


You know what friend, I think instead I'll trust the translation of the guys whom we have been trusting for a very long time. Again I think it is hilarious how you went searching for a rewrite of this one part, it must have phased you sooo bad being the sharingan fan that you are. But why stop there? if you can't trust sleepy on this, you can't trust any of the last 50 chapters right? Go retranslate those for me please, I'm sure we missed something important.

Emperors are revered, heroes are revered, God is revered. So do you get to choose which revered it was while also choosing which translation to believe? Watch your step, you're starting to sound like your head is stuck in copius ammounts of sand.

Ouuch.....

 

[zumorikato]

Yes...I'm well aware, what is your point? I say Madara is the only one who can summon the fox..then you agree and add why? Thanks for solidifying my argument in an attempt to sound smart.

Ahh tricky tricky. Well not really. "Ordering" Pain is not a sign of any power...Now this is the part I love, you say that him being the leader of Akatsuki is somehow a sign of power, I guess Tsunade ordering naruto and being the head oh Konoha means she's super powerful? Then you totally dismiss creating the moon and oh yeah inventing ninjutsu itself as small things? LOL. Yeah leading Akatsuki is far more impressive than creating the premise of this entire manga.

Yeah I'm well aware it would be more powerful, still a giant beast fairly easy to out manuever. he had zero trouble running from 8 tails, 9 would be what? Small ammounts of trouble?

I dunno, it just removes the soul of anything it touches, and it has to be powerful enough to absorb and contain the powers of all 9 bijuu...other than that though, yeah I bet it's just a big whimp.

Jokes going right over your head?

Hmm are they? LOL you call me biased, then simply state "sharingan are the best." That's not slightly biased? This has to be a joke. Remeber the fight with J-man? How j-man couldn't touch Pain so he had to create diversions to blind him just to make a move? Pain had perfect timing, perfect reaction, and oh yeah, a perfect 360 field of vision with no weak point. I'd say that's pretty strong proof that a Rinnegan user can maybe, just maybe predict the enemies attacks.

Wrong again, you are arguing semantics. Why didn't Sasuke just do Chidori as soon as his sharingan saw Kakashi do it? Why did he need to train? Because sharingan allows you to see a justu and understand it, but you still must build the proper control and proficiency to use it. Rinnegan understands all jutsus the instant they are seen by it, and then as we saw in the J-man training, the user becomes proficient in those jutsu's amazingly fast, dare I say faster than the sharingan user? The eyes are probably about even in this category, but, again, because of it's nature limitations the sharingan user simply cannot do some justu's that he sees. I would say the edge very cleary goes to the Rinnegan user here as he does not share those limitations.

I was kidding around with you, but yeah any genjutsu could be called confusion, Pain's chakra rods could obviously be called major confusion. Any decent ninja can cause "confusion," it's a pretty silly thing to argue.


When you say you "understand why he is telling something about something"...you really just mean you interpret everything he says to fit your own ideas no matter how far off you are, don't you? Yeah I picked up on that.


I have, the death god summon kicked it's ass and sealed it. I have yet to see anything that can counter the heretical demon statue though. ouch.


lol do you now realize how ironic that statement is? Why are you comparing the Ems user and Kyuubi to nagato, as if he won't have his own summon there? Nice objectivity frank.




Are you saying not listening to you make up theories and twist storylines in order to make things work how you want them isn't open minded? I'd say doing so is just plain stupid.


You know what friend, I think instead I'll trust the translation of the guys whom we have been trusting for a very long time. Again I think it is hilarious how you went searching for a rewrite of this one part, it must have phased you sooo bad being the sharingan fan that you are. But why stop there? if you can't trust sleepy on this, you can't trust any of the last 50 chapters right? Go retranslate those for me please, I'm sure we missed something important.

Emperors are revered, heroes are revered, God is revered. So do you get to choose which revered it was while also choosing which translation to believe? Watch your step, you're starting to sound like your head is stuck in copius ammounts of sand.

Whoops, I say that is an @ss burnner ; ) I could add to your comments but that would be like trowing mud on a persons face that is already on the ground, picking up their teeth! ; )

Reps for you!!!!!

 

[windrider]

reningan is the strongest offcourse ...no doubt about this ...kishi himself said tht in the manga that reningan is the strongest of the 3 eyes techniques .

if u ask between a reningan user and a sharigan user,who is the strongest...that depends on the users themselves ...one who posses the most powerful weapon may not have to win always...its the strategy and approach which decides the winner ..

for eg naruto has fought and won many villains even though he was not as strong as them...eg naruto vs gaara the first battle ...naruto was not as strong as gaara but his will power alone led to his victory...similarly orochimaru vs the third hokage ...even though the 3rd hokage knew around 1000 techniques ,orochimaru could infiltrate and kill him but this can't prove that orochimaru is stronger than sarutobi right ..

similarly take kakashi a MS user vs pain ...pain didn't even sweat while fighting kakshi and he killed him just like tht ...we haven't seen madara vs pain ...so we can't conclude who is stronger .pain could have captured naruto when naruto went alone to meet him but instead he chose to revive everyone and he died cause of his chakra drain .

As some one said madara may be stronger compared to pain but if it comes to reningan vs sharingan ...I will go will reningan cause reningan is flawess ,it doesn't have any side effects unlike the sharingan which causes blindness .sharingan is flawed and reningan is flawless .Kishi himself said tht reningan his a god's weapon .

 

[Kazamori]

Yes...I'm well aware, what is your point? I say Madara is the only one who can summon the fox..then you agree and add why? Thanks for solidifying my argument in an attempt to sound smart.

Ahh tricky tricky. Well not really. "Ordering" Pain is not a sign of any power...Now this is the part I love, you say that him being the leader of Akatsuki is somehow a sign of power, I guess Tsunade ordering naruto and being the head oh Konoha means she's super powerful? Then you totally dismiss creating the moon and oh yeah inventing ninjutsu itself as small things? LOL. Yeah leading Akatsuki is far more impressive than creating the premise of this entire manga.

Yeah I'm well aware it would be more powerful, still a giant beast fairly easy to out manuever. he had zero trouble running from 8 tails, 9 would be what? Small ammounts of trouble?

I dunno, it just removes the soul of anything it touches, and it has to be powerful enough to absorb and contain the powers of all 9 bijuu...other than that though, yeah I bet it's just a big whimp.

Jokes going right over your head?

Hmm are they? LOL you call me biased, then simply state "sharingan are the best." That's not slightly biased? This has to be a joke. Remeber the fight with J-man? How j-man couldn't touch Pain so he had to create diversions to blind him just to make a move? Pain had perfect timing, perfect reaction, and oh yeah, a perfect 360 field of vision with no weak point. I'd say that's pretty strong proof that a Rinnegan user can maybe, just maybe predict the enemies attacks.

Wrong again, you are arguing semantics. Why didn't Sasuke just do Chidori as soon as his sharingan saw Kakashi do it? Why did he need to train? Because sharingan allows you to see a justu and understand it, but you still must build the proper control and proficiency to use it. Rinnegan understands all jutsus the instant they are seen by it, and then as we saw in the J-man training, the user becomes proficient in those jutsu's amazingly fast, dare I say faster than the sharingan user? The eyes are probably about even in this category, but, again, because of it's nature limitations the sharingan user simply cannot do some justu's that he sees. I would say the edge very cleary goes to the Rinnegan user here as he does not share those limitations.

I was kidding around with you, but yeah any genjutsu could be called confusion, Pain's chakra rods could obviously be called major confusion. Any decent ninja can cause "confusion," it's a pretty silly thing to argue.


When you say you "understand why he is telling something about something"...you really just mean you interpret everything he says to fit your own ideas no matter how far off you are, don't you? Yeah I picked up on that.


I have, the death god summon kicked it's ass and sealed it. I have yet to see anything that can counter the heretical demon statue though. ouch.


lol do you now realize how ironic that statement is? Why are you comparing the Ems user and Kyuubi to nagato, as if he won't have his own summon there? Nice objectivity frank.




Are you saying not listening to you make up theories and twist storylines in order to make things work how you want them isn't open minded? I'd say doing so is just plain stupid.


You know what friend, I think instead I'll trust the translation of the guys whom we have been trusting for a very long time. Again I think it is hilarious how you went searching for a rewrite of this one part, it must have phased you sooo bad being the sharingan fan that you are. But why stop there? if you can't trust sleepy on this, you can't trust any of the last 50 chapters right? Go retranslate those for me please, I'm sure we missed something important.

Emperors are revered, heroes are revered, God is revered. So do you get to choose which revered it was while also choosing which translation to believe? Watch your step, you're starting to sound like your head is stuck in copius ammounts of sand.

=P Awesome comments =) Rep

 

[peaceful]

Yes...I'm well aware, what is your point? I say Madara is the only one who can summon the fox..then you agree and add why? Thanks for solidifying my argument in an attempt to sound smart.

You are too vague. You made it sound like it was not like that, so i stated and posted that post. The reason i did this is because the only ems user known has used Kuybi whenever he wanted. So what is your point? I agree Madara the ems user controls kuybi like a pet.

Ahh tricky tricky. Well not really. "Ordering" Pain is not a sign of any power...

No it actually is. Pain is not the guy who likes being ordered around. Also the way he talked to Pain is like he was a slave to Madara. So it is actually a sign of power.

Now this is the part I love, you say that him being the leader of Akatsuki is somehow a sign of power, I guess Tsunade ordering naruto and being the head oh Konoha means she's super powerful?

Let me clarify. Konoha is not a bang of mssing nins. It is a village. Power is not the only thing needed to be selected as a Hokage(though most of the times Hokages are powerful). Though in the case of Akatsuki only someone powerfull could keep in control all the members. Do you watch-read Bleach? If yes then espadas are similar to Akatsuki.

Then you totally dismiss creating the moon and oh yeah inventing ninjutsu itself as small things? LOL.

You missed my point. Rikoudo is in fact impressive. But if i had a sniper in the peloponissian war i would too be impressive. Athens was impressive. Is ancient Athens stronger than the current American army? No. Rikoudo was the first to use jutsus so he was admired for being special. And no he did not create the moon. Nagato said that he created something in the size of the moon. I find it fishy however. How does he know so much information about the ancient past while having no education? And if he created something in the size of the moon or the moon itself how is that earth was not destroyed?

Yeah leading Akatsuki is far more impressive than creating the premise of this entire manga.

Madara is far more important for the plot than Rikoudo. Madara is what keeps the plot and the manga go on. Do you want to describe in detail why he is more important?

Yeah I'm well aware it would be more powerful, still a giant beast fairly easy to out manuever. he had zero trouble running from 8 tails, 9 would be what? Small ammounts of trouble?

He will have to avoid blasts of chakra as big as a mountain while at the same time avoiding the ems user. LOL. WHo in the world can do that?

I dunno, it just removes the soul of anything it touches, and it has to be powerful enough to absorb and contain the powers of all 9 bijuu...other than that though, yeah I bet it's just a big whimp.

There must be a procces of three days so as to seal a bijju(i am not sure for the days). So that jutsu will not be powerful enough to do anything to the kuybi... By the way. How do you know he can use it whenever he wants? The last time he used it he got these black rods. What is going to happen the next time?

Jokes going right over your head?

LOL.

Hmm are they? LOL you call me biased, then simply state "sharingan are the best." That's not slightly biased?

The sharingan users are the best percieving the movements of their opponents.

This has to be a joke. Remeber the fight with J-man? How j-man couldn't touch Pain so he had to create diversions to blind him just to make a move? Pain had perfect timing, perfect reaction, and oh yeah, a perfect 360 field of vision with no weak point. I'd say that's pretty strong proof that a Rinnegan user can maybe, just maybe predict the enemies attacks.

No. Sharingan users can see what the other is going to do before he does it. Rinnegan users are like Byakugan without blind spot. However if you blind one of the body the rinnegan user loses the view from the point of the blinded body.

Wrong again, you are arguing semantics. Why didn't Sasuke just do Chidori as soon as his sharingan saw Kakashi do it? Why did he need to train? Because sharingan allows you to see a justu and understand it, but you still must build the proper control and proficiency to use it.

Wrong. Sasuke could no do it, because it was elemental. If it was taijustu for example, an experienced sharinagn user could learn it at the moment.

Rinnegan understands all jutsus the instant they are seen by it, and then as we saw in the J-man training, the user becomes proficient in those jutsu's amazingly fast, dare I say faster than the sharingan user? The eyes are probably about even in this category, but, again, because of it's nature limitations the sharingan user simply cannot do some justu's that he sees. I would say the edge very cleary goes to the Rinnegan user here as he does not share those limitations.

Proof?

When you say you "understand why he is telling something about something"...you really just mean you interpret everything he says to fit your own ideas no matter how far off you are, don't you? Yeah I picked up on that.

Yeah i interpret as my logic says. Like you do. Like everyone does.

I have, the death god summon kicked it's ass and sealed it. I have yet to see anything that can counter the heretical demon statue though. ouch.

I have never seen an ems user die by a genin. I have seen a rinnegan one though, ouch! And generally i have never seen an ems user die though i have seen two rinnegan users die, ouch, ouch!

lol do you now realize how ironic that statement is? Why are you comparing the Ems user and Kyuubi to nagato, as if he won't have his own summon there? Nice objectivity frank.

What summon can compare to kuybi?

Are you saying not listening to you make up theories and twist storylines in order to make things work how you want them isn't open minded? I'd say doing so is just plain stupid.

LOL. who says that?

You know what friend, I think instead I'll trust the translation of the guys whom we have been trusting for a very long time. Again I think it is hilarious how you went searching for a rewrite of this one part, it must have phased you sooo bad being the sharingan fan that you are. But why stop there? if you can't trust sleepy on this, you can't trust any of the last 50 chapters right? Go retranslate those for me please, I'm sure we missed something important.

You keep humiliating yourself. Have a visit Mangahelpers.com and you will see that there are many mistranslation. But you prfer to keep what suits your tardness.

Emperors are revered, heroes are revered, God is revered. So do you get to choose which revered it was while also choosing which translation to believe? Watch your step, you're starting to sound like your head is stuck in copius ammounts of sand

No argument so you have to attck me personally. Sharingan is not revered because it is a tool of evil. DO you know any evel god or hero be revered?

The posters bellow are hilarious saying what they said without waiting my reply. It was logical though seeing who they are...

 

[Mugiwara]

I only see arguements about madara being a powerful ninja, i still dont see any making sharingan better than rinnegan.

 

[peaceful]

I only see arguements about madara being a powerful ninja, i still dont see any making sharingan better than rinnegan.

You are wanting too much at the same time. I have to defend three or four people at the same time, while attacking me personally, and say why Sharingan is stronger than Rinnegan, withou comparing the users... Overload.

 

[Mugiwara]

You are wanting too much at the same time. I have to defend three or four people at the same time, while attacking me personally, and say why Sharingan is stronger than Rinnegan, withou comparing the users... Overload.

the threads intentions were simple, compare the 2 eyetechniques, leaving the users out of it.
you're the one who started this "madara + kyuubi = win" crap

 

[Kazamori]

lol , I don't think you guys will end this discussion easy >.< We need Kishimoto to say the last word

 

[Mugiwara]

lol , I don't think you guys will end this discussion easy >.< We need Kishimoto to say the last word

Call him for me and tell him to answer our question
xD

 

[peaceful]

the threads intentions were simple, compare the 2 eyetechniques, leaving the users out of it.
you're the one who started this "madara + kyuubi = win" crap

No i did not. I said "an ems user plus kuybi=win" truth.

 

[zumorikato]

Call him for me and tell him to answer our question
xD

LOL

I agree with you in the sense that you would want to debate the actual OP of this thread and not the other sub problems that arises from other persons debates.

Just a side note to Peacefull, if you didnt make those comments you would not need to defend them, by moaning that you need to defend your comments and not being able to contribute to the actual debate doesnt justify your answers.

I would give you a word of advise, dont dwell of the topic, to long in an attempt to correct certain individuals, rather state your answer and then proceed with the actual question at hand, I find it strange why certain Philosophers tend to argue about what one another persons said instead of focusing on the topic.

I think in order to continue this debate, we need to list all the positives and negatives of both the do jitus in order to do a better comparison between them, and ps dont add Susanoo with the mirror and the sword, as these are not part of the original jitsu. Rather just add Susanoo, as is.

Shall we proceed with the actual question at hand?
Which is stronger,the rinnigan or sharingan.

 

[Preta]

You are too vague. You made it sound like it was not like that, so i stated and posted that post. The reason i did this is because the only ems user known has used Kuybi whenever he wanted. So what is your point? I agree Madara the ems user controls kuybi like a pet.

I was too vague? I didn't make it clear that madara was the only one so far that would summon the fox when I said something to the effect of, "Madara is the only sharingan user that we know of that can summon the fox, so it is basically him vs. Pain." That was too vague for you to comprehend? I'd hate to see you read a traffic sign.

No it actually is. Pain is not the guy who likes being ordered around. Also the way he talked to Pain is like he was a slave to Madara. So it is actually a sign of power.

First off, you have no idea if Pain cares one way or the other if Madara likes to think he's in charge as Pain had his own goals to worry about. And stating the fact that the group would not tolerate failure from it;s leader is now synonymous with slavery? Stretch any further and your pants will fall off.

Let me clarify. Konoha is not a bang of mssing nins. It is a village. Power is not the only thing needed to be selected as a Hokage(though most of the times Hokages are powerful). Though in the case of Akatsuki only someone powerfull could keep in control all the members. Do you watch-read Bleach? If yes then espadas are similar to Akatsuki.

Funny you should say "only someone powerful could control them," as most were not aware that madara was in control. So why did madara need Pain as the figurehead, was he not powerful enough to control them himself if they knew he was in charge? Uhoh my friend, you have started a decline down a very slippery slope.

You missed my point. Rikoudo is in fact impressive. But if i had a sniper in the peloponissian war i would too be impressive. Athens was impressive. Is ancient Athens stronger than the current American army? No. Rikoudo was the first to use jutsus so he was admired for being special.

Ahh but here is where I tell you that your analogy is terrible. Peaceful, your analogy is terrible. You see because our weapons have progressed far beyond those of the ancient Greece, yet the Sage created Ninjutsu, and they are still using the same ninjustu, not something new. You want a better analogy? Could the creator of Kung Fu take on a Kung Fu artist of Today? I'd say obviously.

And no he did not create the moon. Nagato said that he created something in the size of the moon. I find it fishy however. How does he know so much information about the ancient past while having no education? And if he created something in the size of the moon or the moon itself how is that earth was not destroyed?

Oh YOU find it fishy? here we go again, Peaceful believes only what Peaceful wants. So let's actually trust Kishi as you said you did? He created the moon or something that size, you ask how Nagato knows this? He shares eyes that are not passed through bloodline and we have no idea how the eyes are passed nor the knowledge they may hold. You then ask, how was the earth not destroyed? I say why are you asking such a question in a manga, what's next, "how does Sasuke shoot fire out of his throat without burning it?" This is desperation at it's finest. P.S. The moon is much smaller than the earth, you could pull it out of the earth without destroying the earth.

Madara is far more important for the plot than Rikoudo. Madara is what keeps the plot and the manga go on. Do you want to describe in detail why he is more important?

OK my bad, I thought you knew what the word "premise" meant. It doesn't mean important, I never claimed the sage is the most important character, there you go again arguing with yourself. I simply stated that he created ninjutsu, which is the whole foundation of the story, so again, slightly impressive.

He will have to avoid blasts of chakra as big as a mountain while at the same time avoiding the ems user. LOL. WHo in the world can do that?

Who in the world can argue completely one sidedly? Oh wait, I found him! You are once again saying "while trying to avoid an EMS user," as somehow the Rinnegan user is getting double teamed. Why isn't the Rinnegan user using six paths? Why isn't the EMS user running from the soul sucking statue? Why are your scenarios so obviously biased? These are all questions that I must go and ponder upon.

There must be a procces of three days so as to seal a bijju(i am not sure for the days). So that jutsu will not be powerful enough to do anything to the kuybi... By the way. How do you know he can use it whenever he wants? The last time he used it he got these black rods. What is going to happen the next time?

Again, you are arguing with..you. I never said that Pain would use the sealing Justu on the Kyuubi, only that a creature capable of absorbing all 9 bijuu and stealing the soul of anything it touches is a slightly formidable opponent.

The sharingan users are the best percieving the movements of their opponents.

Rinnegan users can kill anyone instantly if they want. Am I doing this right?

No. Sharingan users can see what the other is going to do before he does it. Rinnegan users are like Byakugan without blind spot. However if you blind one of the body the rinnegan user loses the view from the point of the blinded body.

LOL I see, you blind one body and he loses some vision. What happens when you blind a sharingan user? Oh yeah, he doesn't see anything.

Wrong. Sasuke could no do it, because it was elemental. If it was taijustu for example, an experienced sharinagn user could learn it at the moment.

Not if they couldn't use that nature type. Oops. But you know who could no matter what? Oh yeah, those silly Rinnegan users. Oops again.

Proof?

Go read the J-man traning session, I'm not about to go dig up pictures for someone who just wrote 800 words worth of speculation and unsupported theories. This just keeps getting more hilarious.

Yeah i interpret as my logic says. Like you do. Like everyone does.

The difference is some of us try to do it objectively.

I have never seen an ems user die by a genin. I have seen a rinnegan one though, ouch! And generally i have never seen an ems user die though i have seen two rinnegan users die, ouch, ouch!

I've never seen a Rinnegan user die by a Genin either, though I have seen one kill himself reviving an entire village, where did you get your info? Ouch! WHo was the second Rinnegan user we saw die? Or are you just once again making things up so you sound better? We have no idea what became of the Sage or even if he died at all. Ouch! I have heard an EMS user tried to do two things, attack a village, and failed, and fight a hokage, and failed....OUCH

What summon can compare to kuybi?

Apparently the death god summon can more than compare and what summon can compare to the heretical demon statue? Wait didn't we already do this? It's like you're wrapping your arguments in new clothing after they fail the first time..wierd.

You keep humiliating yourself. Have a visit Mangahelpers.com and you will see that there are many mistranslation. But you prfer to keep what suits your tardness.

Aren't you the guy complaining about personal attacks? Can you manage to do one thing without being a hypocrite? I already addressed even if the translation was wrong and how sad it is that you hunted for said info, sooo who is the tard?

No argument so you have to attck me personally. Sharingan is not revered because it is a tool of evil. DO you know any evel god or hero be revered?

Wow a shot and a miss. Satan is revered by satan worshippers, Aries was revered by the greeks...no you;re right though, you aren't desperate and you aren't biased. Oh by the way, who decided the sharingan was evil? There is no "evil" justu, it is dependant on the user, and Rinnegan has the ability to be much more evil than the sharingan because of its power. Christ i'm still reeling from your attempted argument.

P.S. Read that whole "personal attacks," thing you wrote and then look at your post above it and hang your head in shame...silly silly shame.

The posters bellow are hilarious saying what they said without waiting my reply. It was logical though seeing who they are...

Or they knew exactly what you're reply would be....

Anyway I'm gonna get some sleep now. Maybe we can continue tommorow, honestly I hope not as I have yet to see any reason to doubt Rinnegans power, just alot of drivel about Fox's fighting Nagato and Madara teleporting around getting his ass kicked. g'night.