Rinnegan Obito VS Vote Madara

[KidGamer65]

1. Yea in 1 scan, not whole fight. Susanoo hasn't shown to make a mountain size blade till that scene.
2. That explosion would to bigger if it was.

What do you mean "All" arguments. All I see is 1 opposing argument.

1. Because no BD was ever that size. Irrelevant point.
2. What?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. Because no BD was ever that size. Irrelevant point.
2. What?

1. BD was irrelevant from the beginning of the fight. When he strictly use PS swords, before Hashirama ran away. Why wasnt it irrelevant to make the sword mountain size then?

2. 2 Chodama's made this scale of explosion [

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[KidGamer65]

1. BD was irrelevant from the beginning of the fight. When he strictly use PS swords, before Hashirama ran away. Why wasnt it irrelevant to make the sword mountain size then?

2. 2 Chodama's made this scale of explosion [

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1. No need to make a larger one when a smaller one fits the BD. Not to mention those BD, nor is Full Kurama or SS's hand Mountain sized.

2. That doesn't even begin to rival what happened at VoTe.

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12 standard Bijuu Dama are not going to make an explosion anywhere near half of that. Not when they are the size of Mountains each.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. No need to make a larger one when a smaller one fits the BD.

Read it again. I said before BD was using with Kurama+Susanoo combo. Meaning these: [

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Not to mention those BD, nor is Full Kurama or SS's hand Mountain sized.

@Bold, apparently this scans show they are[

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2. That doesn't even begin to rival what happened at VoTe.

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12 standard Bijuu Dama are not going to make an explosion anywhere near half of that. Not when they are the size of Mountains each.

You barley circled the mountain in VOTE. And the water view is more consistent of scale then the mountains are.

Anyway this scan is much more clearer here:

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If blue circle is the scale on how a mountain buster should be like. Draw 12 of those and it will definitely look like that scene from the final explosion (which SS is also contributing).

 

[Unorthodox]

Was about to say, think you been talkin to orthodox for to long

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat did i do? Lol and i know PS gets mangled by all 9 bijuu tha phuck lol but you always trying to slide some sneaky shit in there i'll have to end your career you keep talking shit

 

[KidGamer65]

Read it again. I said before BD was using with Kurama+Susanoo combo. Meaning these: [

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@Bold, apparently this scans show they are[

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You barley circled the mountain in VOTE. And the water view is more consistent of scale then the mountains are.

Anyway this scan is much more clearer here:

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If blue circle is the scale on how a mountain buster should be like. Draw 12 of those and it will definitely look like that scene from the final explosion (which SS is also contributing).

Which is still irrelevant because making it larger wouldn't have changed the fact that Hashirama caught it, and that the horizontal swing wouldn't have hurt him.

No, it's close, but it's not Mountain sized. The hand of SS isn't taller or wider than the Mountain nor can it hold the entire Mountain in one of it's palms.

I barely circled the Mountain because that is the Mountain. If Mountains compared to that explosion look tiny as hell while Mountains compared to Flash BD combo explosion look much larger in comparison, it's clear which one is larger. Your post doesn't even address that because you are drawing a comparison that I didn't even attempt to make because it doesn't prove anything.

And Lol 12 of those is nothing to that when I can circle 12 Mountains in the explosion panel and still come up nowhere near the explosion size itself.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Which is still irrelevant because making it larger wouldn't have changed the fact that Hashirama caught it, and that the horizontal swing wouldn't have hurt him.

So Hobi would have caught a mountain size blade regardless? The horizontal swing panel was pointed that the sword has its own screen time of its usage, not that the swing motion itself was.

No, it's close, but it's not Mountain sized. The hand of SS isn't taller or wider than the Mountain nor can it hold the entire Mountain in one of it's palms.

How does it debunk my point when you can conclude it being close? So its a few inches off. And in other scans, dont even come close.

A single hand over laps Wood golem and dragon. Yet doesn't to Kurama when Kurama = Golem.

So which scan am I suppose to believe here, since they are all apparently consistent.

I barely circled the Mountain because that is the Mountain. If Mountains compared to that explosion look tiny as hell while Mountains compared to Flash BD combo explosion look much larger in comparison, it's clear which one is larger. Your post doesn't even address that because you are drawing a comparison that I didn't even attempt to make because it doesn't prove anything.

@Bold, It isnt the mountain above your red circle was bigger. I didn't addressed your mountain drawing comparison because the lake is the only thing consistent in length/size in the whole VOTE fight.

And Lol 12 of those is nothing to that when I can circle 12 Mountains in the explosion panel and still come up nowhere near the explosion size itself.

Only if you go back to the scan you prefer to prove you point. Where as I am going to where SS look like compare to the lake, before and after the explosion.

 

[KidGamer65]

So Hobi would have caught a mountain size blade regardless? The horizontal swing panel was pointed that the sword has its own screen time of its usage, not that the swing motion itself was.



How does it debunk my point when you can conclude it being close? So its a few inches off. And in other scans, dont even come close.

A single hand over laps Wood golem and dragon. Yet doesn't to Kurama when Kurama = Golem.

So which scan am I suppose to believe here, since they are all apparently consistent.



@Bold, It isnt the mountain above your red circle was bigger. I didn't addressed your mountain drawing comparison because the lake is the only thing consistent in length/size that that whole VOTE fight.





Only if you go back to the scan you prefer to prove you point. Where as I am going to where SS look like compare to the lake, before and after the explosion.

The length of the blade isn't going to change the amount of power behind it.

Not sure if blind or just lying about the Manga to avoid a concession, but it's pretty damn clear that SS's hand is NOT as large as that Mountain nor can it hold the Mountain in it's hand.

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In reality it isn't even close because we can't even see the whole Mountain and it's still larger.

Then don't bother replying. If all you can do is throw "inconsistent" at every single thing you can't counter with real evidence then you are doing nothing but wasting my time. And what I circled IS a Mountain. I'll just do it

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Except that is the only scan that needs to be used. your only argument so far is inconsistency, backed with no evidence of such. The lake is completely irrelevant in a comparison between both explosion sizes nor does it change the fact that the Mountains compared to said explosion are smaller than the Mountains compared to Flash BD's explosion.

The lake and the Mountains are all zoomed out to show the full scale of the explosion. Not even sure what in the hell you are using the lake for in the first place.

 

[Mohamed Nabil]

Rinnegan Obito couldn't beat Naruto and Bee

do you think he would beat Madara? No

Madara wins both scenarios

 

[Kagustuchi]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat did i do? Lol and i know PS gets mangled by all 9 bijuu tha phuck lol but you always trying to slide some sneaky shit in there i'll have to end your career you keep talking shit

Wouldn't have have surprised me if you thought it did. You were the one that came into my threads talking shit first too mind you.

How are you gonna "end my career"? Got to much weed to smoke and to many scrubs wanting that rematch in mvc to call what little time I spend here a "career"

 

[Unorthodox]

Wouldn't have have surprised me if you thought it did. You were the one that came into my threads talking shit first too mind you.

How are you gonna "end my career"? Got to much weed to smoke and to many scrubs wanting that rematch in mvc to call what little time I spend here a "career"

This is why we should not be so quick to judge im the smartest debater on the site not best but the smartest and whats mvc? lol you thought i literally meant career?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The length of the blade isn't going to change the amount of power behind it.

More like the length and width. And yes it will, since it carries more weight and mass.

Not sure if blind or just lying about the Manga to avoid a concession, but it's pretty damn clear that SS's hand is NOT as large as that Mountain nor can it hold the Mountain in it's hand.

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You showed that the mountain is longer... How is this lying? The handbox clearly is capable of yanking out that mountain as if it was a toy truck.

In reality it isn't even close because we can't even see the whole Mountain and it's still larger.

And the arm is for SS? Both not relevant.

Then don't bother replying. If all you can do is throw "inconsistent" at every single thing you can't counter with real evidence then you are doing nothing but wasting my time. And what I circled IS a Mountain. I'll just do it

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Stop with this crap. The only argument you attempt to use is base on one scan where mountains are smaller compare to SS and the Lake. When they are more then scenarios that shows the explosions were SS scale (with debris a bit above it) and TBB compare to SS arms in a closer view:

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Except that is the only scan that needs to be used. your only argument so far is inconsistency, backed with no evidence of such. The lake is completely irrelevant in a comparison between both explosion sizes nor does it change the fact that the Mountains compared to said explosion are smaller than the Mountains compared to Flash BD's explosion.

Lol nope is just you being in denial by using a scan of a tbb thats only that size in 1 scan then in others. And denying why the lake is relevant to compare the blast. When the lake outright shows how it looks compare to mountains near by it and near by SS.

The lake and the Mountains are all zoomed out to show the full scale of the explosion. Not even sure what in the hell you are using the lake for in the first place.

Nope the lake wasnt zoomed out as much then you think it did, base on the fact how close SS was to the lake. I used the lake because its sized stayated consistent compare to what the mountains did compare to SS.

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Either way, you want to stick to 1 scan to prove your point and claims its reasonable. Not going to waste my time at this point, so agree to disagree, as we arent going to ever convince each other here.

 

[Minator93]

Obito wins both scenarios with relative ease. And he has many ways to defeat VOTE Madara U_U I'll explain a select few because if I were to explain all possible ways then it'd make this one a really long post.

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Uchiha Kaenjin locks Madara's Destruction Incarnate [causing an instant KO]

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Canonically speaking, Madara's Destruction Incarnate rivals a Bijju

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But we've seen two Bijjus fail against Uchiha Kaenjin, it needed Juubi's first form to break it open from the Inside U_U

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The Kamui.

There's NO defense possible against Kamui it is an instant win for Obito.

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The only possible way to barely "Escape" the God's Authority is to use another Kamui or pray that Hiraishin makes it in time as it was with Minato.

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Now,

1. VOTE Madara matched speeds with VOTE Hashirama who is canonically slower than Tobirama.
2. Tobirama is slower than base Minato.
3. BM Naruto was greater than Base Minato in speed.
4. Rinnegan Tobi was comfortably handling top speed of BM Naruto + 7th Gate Gai + Kamui Kakashi.

Which means he is much faster than VOTE Madara, making it far too simple for him to get close to Madara and end him with the Kamui

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And don't forget what the Rinnegan did to Mangekyo Obito [who was a beast to begin with]

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It's as Minato said back then,

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"No one could ever face him without a very UNIQUE set of abilities"​

For Madara or anyone else to even compete with Mangekyo Obito they need at least either,

1. A Jikukan Ninjutsu
2. Rinnegan
3. Rikudou Chakra
4. Perfect Sage Mode
5. 8th Gate

Absence of any of above means a direct loss to Mangekyo Obito let alone Rinnegan Obito U_U

 

[Waltz]

Uchiha Kaenjin locks Madara's Destruction Incarnate [causing an instant KO]

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Makes no sense. Kaenjin burns things that make contact with hit's exterior, not interior. Susano'o will climb out. ​

Canonically speaking, Madara's Destruction Incarnate rivals a Bijju



But we've seen two Bijjus fail against Uchiha Kaenjin, it needed Juubi's first form to break it open from the Inside

You do know that 'Destruction incarnate' refers to the Katana swipes of Madara's Kanzentai Susano'o? Also, to address the reading comprehension here Madara stated that his sword swipes "Even rivals Bjuu" Denoting that his sword swipes expel such tremendous force that it could even affect entities such as the Bijuu. @Bold: Erm..no. The Biju Dama began destroying the barrier the moment it made contact:

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The Kamui.

There's NO defense possible against Kamui it is an instant win for Obito.

The only possible way to barely "Escape" the God's Authority is to use another Kamui or pray that Hiraishin makes it in time as it was with Minato.

Once Madara creates Bunshin's Obito will not be able to differentiate between them and Madara's reflexes are far superior to Namikaze's. The moment Obito solidifies near Madara he'll react accordingly. ​

1. VOTE Madara matched speeds with VOTE Hashirama who is canonically slower than Tobirama.
2. Tobirama is slower than base Minato.
3. BM Naruto was greater than Base Minato in speed.
4. Rinnegan Tobi was comfortably handling top speed of BM Naruto + 7th Gate Gai + Kamui Kakashi.

Which means he is much faster than VOTE Madara, making it far too simple for him to get close to Madara and end him with the Kamui

Oh really? Provide me a scan of Hashirama's, Minato's or Tobirama's base reflexes rivaling Madara's reflexes here [

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]and then when you're unable to; explain to me why Edo-Tensei Madara was able to pierce Hashirama (who's reflexes according to you are on par) with the chakra rods [

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@Bold: As they say, cool story. ​

And don't forget what the Rinnegan did to Mangekyo Obito [who was a beast to begin with]

Commonly known irrelevant information does not alter anything here.​

For Madara or anyone else to even compete with Mangekyo Obito they need at least either,

1. A Jikukan Ninjutsu
2. Rinnegan
3. Rikudou Chakra
4. Perfect Sage Mode
5. 8th Gate

Absence of any of above means a direct loss to Mangekyo Obito let alone Rinnegan Obito

An amusing personal interpretation and assumptions. As I stated in my previous post All Madara needs to do is utilize the Kyuubi's abilities to bombard Obito with 10 minutes worth of explosions similarly as he did against Shin-Shuusenju which would either force Obito to completely sacrifice Kamui for Izanagi or accept death. If he sacrifices, Madara bombards him again and finishes him off.

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[Lord Tywin]

Waltz you need to prove Madara can spam TBB for 10 minutes straight. If he can't then Obito deactivate and reactivates Kamui, starting the 10 minutes from the beginning.

 

[KidGamer65]

I should take a page out of FT's book and stop arguing with stubborn idiots.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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Once again you face another size inconsistency.

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we see PS Kurama and SS square off and Kurama is much bigger than SS hand yet

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in the very next scan. Not only that in the scan we see those Bijuudama's being bigger than

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this would imply that those Susanoo blades were much bigger than the Susanoo kurama fusion since the Susanoo Kurama fusion is about the size as Mokujin but it's just a tad bigger. .

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. Also in this scan we see SS hands not even half the size of Kurama tails

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the hands are clearly mucher bigger thus this entire little fight scene constantly changed sizes thus posting scans of that is complete and utter non-sense.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again you face another size inconsistency.

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we see PS Kurama and SS square off and Kurama is much bigger than SS hand yet

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in the very next scan. Not only that in the scan we see those Bijuudama's being bigger than

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this would imply that those Susanoo blades were much bigger than the Susanoo kurama fusion since the Susanoo Kurama fusion is about the size as Mokujin but it's just a tad bigger. .

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. Also in this scan we see SS hands not even half the size of Kurama tails

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the hands are clearly mucher bigger thus this entire little fight scene constantly changed sizes thus posting scans of that is complete and utter non-sense.​

If you aren't going to address the main argument, and instead use OTHER inconsistencies to prove my argument wrong, then do me a favor and stop replying to me.

1. Irrelevant to MY scaling argument.

2. SS's hands are only large enough to warp around the Kyuubi's body. Kyuubi is still larger overall.

3. Susanoo's swords have shown to extend.

Please post a real rebuttal or make like EjBlack and stop wasting my time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If you aren't going to address the main argument, and instead use OTHER inconsistencies to prove my argument wrong, then do me a favor and stop replying to me.

1. Irrelevant to MY scaling argument.

2. SS's hands are only large enough to warp around the Kyuubi's body. Kyuubi is still larger overall.

3. Susanoo's swords have shown to extend.

Please post a real rebuttal or make like EjBlack and stop wasting my time.

Trying to ignore the argument i see.

1- I completely debunked your scaling argument.

2- Yes but when they were facing each other before they collided

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3- Show me a scan of Perfect Susanoo blade being 2x the size of Perfect Susanoo?

4- Please counter the arguments and stop crying. Your comparison is completely debunked due to the constant size changing during that fight.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Trying to ignore the argument i see.

1- I completely debunked your scaling argument.

2- Yes but when they were facing each other before they collided

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3- Show me a scan of Perfect Susanoo blade being 2x the size of Perfect Susanoo?

4- Please counter the arguments and stop crying. Your comparison is completely debunked due to the constant size changing during that fight.​

Everything striked out is either a repeat of what was already addressed, or you just attempting to shit talk when you are known as one of biggest retards on this site.

2. It's close enough to the point where it can grab him.

3. Irrelevant. I said that it CAN extend. That panel is just proof of that.

Please counter MY argument instead of bringing irrelevant "inconsistencies" and crying about why my argument doesn't work. Lmfao. Retards stay grasping at straws no matter how many times Manga poops on their assertions. Explosion size and outright size comparisons disagree. Please get a real counter or get lost.