[VS] Rinnegan Obito vs Hashirama

[TheAncientCenturion]

Manga intel is just iffy. I want to lean in for Obito, just due to his surprise warping. But I also feel like Sage Mode and Mokutons should counter it, and as the battle intensifies hashirama would be able to deduce Obito's technique to at least the basics.

 

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Smh... So, how may times am I going to have to tell you how useless FTW is before you finally realize it for yourself? U_U

Nope, it shits on obitos 5min kamui limit, and obito has no way of taking out the pollen,
so id say that its not useless at all

They hardly 'counter Kamui hard' considering Hashirama knows fck all about the technique.

Lets see, with the clones out, the moment obito solidifies to attack he gets gang banged by the multiple clones,
and if he warps one of the clones, then he is getting raped from both dimensions

and with SM reactions and reflexes on the agenda, obito is certainly not the one landing the blows, and even if he does, the only blow thats worth mentioning is the kamui warp yet that just confirms his death, anything else is just garbage

Knowledge means so much here; he has no reason to assume Moku Bunshins are the key.

the moment hashirama sees that he can only attack obito when the latter comes to attack, then he uses the clones to rape him, seeing how he would have the sense to attack obito with diversions

I'm not buying Flower Tree World either as Obito could quite easily warp within sight of the battlefield and catch his breath in any five-minute interval.

Nope, he cant destroy the forest, and hes not evading the forest worth of pollen either, and the pollen would just increase even more over time, meaning that the moment obito comes out, he gets put to sleep,, prolonging it, is just making it worse for him
and the clones would just confirm that he dies,



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[Draphsin]

You never countered KidGamer's response to you Lol

What counter?

Info isn't needed, Hashirama will need SM to deal with the Bijuu,

He gets blasted with multipe bijuudamas as he preps SM, or gets warped away.

Sage Mode increases sensing, reflexes, and reaction time

None of which help hashirama escape kamui. Unless you have proof that hashi can sense faster than karin then he isn't anticipating a warp from behind, much less sensing it beforehand.

Minato's reflexes > SM hashirama's, this isn't even debatable. Minato sensed obito after he was already behind him, all obito has to do is the same thing he did against fuu & hashi can't escape. Combine that with the fact that minato is a sensor himself & had just as much info as hashi does then it's clear that he isn't escaping.

(so much so that it shat on FTG, which shat on Kamui)

Striking speed =/= reaction speed, tobirama was slow & that allowed madara to sense him & counterattack. Obito simply needs to touch him & warp him away, & since he was able to warp sasuke away without sensors realizing then hashi falls victim to the same treatment. Obito managed to touch minato & that was after he was already behind him, nothing tells me that hashi can do any better, & thus he gets caught.

and considering Base Gai managed to overwhelm Obito,

Never once happened, obito tried to go for a head-on warp which is a completely different method of attacking & completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Not to mention the terrain was disadvantageous for obito as well and on top of that he had to worry about surprise attacks from kakashi, naruto, & bee [all of which had info & still failed to touch him].

Gai is a bad example, as I said in another post, prove that gai can evade a surprise warp.

Obito isn't warping a SM user so easily.

He most certainly is, they aren't faster sensors than anyone else, they simply have sensing & better reaction time [which doesn't help if you get warped before you realize it].

Once Hashirama sees Obito is a S/T user, the clones will come out

He will never see obito use kamui, not once. He'll appear behind hashi whenever the time may be right & that's the end of that.

Nope, it shits on obitos 5min kamui limit, and obito has no way of taking out the pollen
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Tell me you're not serious...

Obito phases underground & away from the pollen, then he resets his limit. A bijuu blows the forest up, a juubi sized katon roasts it, the GM takes it out, & uchiha kaenjin prevents the pollen from harming him.

Chomei can fly for god's sake...U_U

 

[ARGUS]

Tell me you're not serious...

Nah im serious

Obito phases underground & away from the pollen, then he resets his limit.

And what good is that doing exactly?, its still back to phase 1, where he has to hide in the kamui mode for all the time when he cant do anything at all,

A bijuu blows the forest up,

its clearly being used after the bijuus are taken care off from myojinmon/mokuryu and kakuan nitten suishu combo

a juubi sized katon roasts it

It does the opposite, as shown when madara used his katons to increase its effects
not to mention that it failed to go through v1 chakra cloak, when jukai kotan (which has a size comparable to FTW) alone needed several rasengans to take it out,
katon is not doing shit

, the GM takes it out,

Lol, Myojinmon just pins it down with ease

& uchiha kaenjin prevents the pollen from harming him.

Whats the barrier going to do exactly?, its still not allowing the mazo from attacking so ur whole example of it being able to destroy the pollen is invalid, not to mention that it doesnt even have the feats to bust forest level mokutons/objects
hashirama can still pin the mazo down with myojinmon and absorb its chakra with mokuryu

Chomei can fly for god's sake...U_U

Its not fast enough to evade myojinmon, it has incredibly slow flying feats,
and once its pinned down, mokuryu either sucks it dry, and hashirama just removes its stakes through his clones,
or puts it to sleep with kakuan nitten suishu

 

[Demonic.]

What counter?

He must have deleted it. It was on an alt while banned Lol

He gets blasted with multipe bijuudamas as he preps SM, or gets warped away.

You keep saying "while he preps SM" but the 4th databook has confirmed Hashirama enters Sage Mode instantly, it should have been obvious from the manga too. So that's not happening.

None of which help hashirama escape kamui. Unless you have proof that hashi can sense faster than karin then he isn't anticipating a warp from behind, much less sensing it beforehand.

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Minato's reflexes > SM hashirama's, this isn't even debatable.

Based on what? With Sage Mode, Madara reacted to FTG twice. Minato was caught by the God Tree and drained, while Hashirama dodged the branches without even looking at them. And this was KCM Minato.

Minato sensed obito after he was already behind him,

Minato, like Karin,

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yet Minato still reacted to him.

With Sage Mode, Hashirama will know Obito is behind him the second he materializes, and easily react to him. Not to mention, I'm not even sure if Minato actually sensed him, he could have just felt his presence.

all obito has to do is the same thing he did against fuu & hashi can't escape.

Comparing 2 fodders getting warped away to the God of Shinobi w/ Perfect Sage Mode are we? Lol

Combine that with the fact that minato is a sensor himself & had just as much info as hashi does then it's clear that he isn't escaping.

Read above

Striking speed =/= reaction speed, tobirama was slow & that allowed madara to sense him & counterattack. Obito simply needs to touch him & warp him away, & since he was able to warp sasuke away without sensors realizing then hashi falls victim to the same treatment. Obito managed to touch minato & that was after he was already behind him, nothing tells me that hashi can do any better, & thus he gets caught.

Obito managed to do this:

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Again, that's not happening with a Sage Mode user. Hashirama would overwhelm Obito with increased reflexes, sensing, reaction time,

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, and strength (

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r).

Obito's versatility was off the charts considering he had been trained by Madara, but SM Hashirama being on par (slightly above) Madara would end up besting Obito in CQC.

Never once happened, obito tried to go for a head-on warp which is a completely different method of attacking & completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Not to mention the terrain was disadvantageous for obito as well and on top of that he had to worry about surprise attacks from kakashi, naruto, & bee [all of which had info & still failed to touch him].

Gai is a bad example, as I said in another post, prove that gai can evade a surprise warp.

He most certainly is, they aren't faster sensors than anyone else, they simply have sensing & better reaction time [which doesn't help if you get warped before you realize it].

All irrelevant..you think Obito can surprise Hashirama in SM because other sensors have been surprised, but that won't be the case with Sage Mode sensing.

Also,

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. No surprise attacks are happening. And as you've said multiple times, Obito isn't warping anyone here without doing it by surprise.

He will never see obito use kamui, not once. He'll appear behind hashi whenever the time may be right & that's the end of that.

Can't find the databook scan, but there's also the fact Yamato managed to create a wooden doll and use the body replacement, in less than a second, before Kabuto managed to touch him. Not that his matters I'm just teasing Lol

 

[10th]

So much wallies.......

Obito beats him. I don't see how Hashirama can keep himself from fighting 6 beasts and worry about getting kamuied at the same time. Also whats up with this clone argument that comes up in every Obito thread? Obito fought a clone spammer in Naruto with 3 others, and he did just fine (was confident even after they figured out his abilities).

 

[KidGamer65]

^ Fighting a clone spammer who didn't spam clones doesn't really mean much. Multiple targets with good enough speed and reflexes make it too hard for Obito to warp anyone without worrying about being attacked by someone else. That's why Obito never warped anyone during his fight with Kakashi, Gai and Naruto. There's also the fact the only way Obito is going to warp Hashirama away, is if he does it by surprise, but you cannot surprise a Sage Mode user. They can sense chakra and they

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. And no, it's not just things with chakra, he sees everything. He was able to tell that his friends are fighting a war by just using his Sage Sensing. How is Obito going to get the jump on Hashirama? He'd see him coming from a mile away (Literally) and then it's only a matter of not getting warped.

Alive Madara is on par with Hashirama physically, give them both Sage Mode and they are on par, physically, once again. Sage Madara reacted to Tobirama's Hiraishingiri and managed to counter. Tobirama>>Obito in every way when it comes to speed. Sage Hashirama reacts to Obito trying to touch him, and then evades with his superior Shunshin or uses a Mokuton Jutsu counter, once he realizes that Obito can slip through things, he simply evades all Kamui attempts.

 

[10th]

No he never warped anyone because of Kakashi, who served as the great Kamui negater of the group (in other words Obito was nerfed by his own power in Kakashi). Without Kakashi Naruto would have been warped here

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and he was fighting Bee as well.

And we have seen Obito react to clones, he won't warp carelessly (negates a lot of dumb clone arguments)

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Nope not by surprise, Hashirama simply can't deal with 6 multiple bijuus while at the same time worry about getting Kamued, even if he can sense Obito as he approaches.
The op didn't even give Hashirama knowledge of Kamui, which makes this all the more easier if you think about it. One touch from a man who was confident at 14 of kamuing a kage level shinobi attempting to use fg within a touch is too dangerous for Hashirama, who is at the same time dealing with 6 bijuu + Gedo Mazo.


Obito has the hax, dc, and knowledge (Obito knows everything about Hashirama, the reverse isn't very true at all) to beat Hashirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

No he never warped anyone because of Kakashi, who served as the great Kamui negater of the group (in other words Obito was nerfed by his own power in Kakashi). Without Kakashi Naruto would have been warped here

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Nope. Chapter 695 detailed the whole skirmish where Obito tried to warp people away, but failed, and that was before Kakashi started exploiting Kamui. Hell, head on Obito couldn't warp Gai, who does not have reflexes superior to SM Hashirama, and that's just Gai. Like you showed us in the scan above, he was about to warp Naruto, but Gai and Kakashi stopped him, only proving my point that Obito is going to have trouble fighting multiple, fast, targets. Lol, have no idea why you are mentioning Kakashi, being the great Kamui negater, when they saved Naruto in the above scan by hitting Obito, forcing him to go ghost mode.

And we have seen Obito react to clones, he won't warp carelessly (negates a lot of dumb clone arguments)

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No one ever said he can't react. The only reason clones weren't an issue is because KCM Naruto only used one clone, and Obito was able to destroy it with his Gunbai. He can't destroy Mokuton clones with his Gunbai, and SM Hashirama reflexes and CQC ability>KCM Naruto's. So no, that doesn't negate any argument.

Nope not by surprise, Hashirama simply can't deal with 6 multiple bijuus while at the same time worry about getting Kamued, even if he can sense Obito as he approaches.
The op didn't even give Hashirama knowledge of Kamui, which makes this all the more easier if you think about it. One touch from a man who was confident at 14 of kamuing a kage level shinobi attempting to use fg within a touch is too dangerous for Hashirama, who is at the same time dealing with 6 bijuu + Gedo Mazo.

Actually, he can, no reason he can't. SS handles Bijuu, and Hashirama evades Obito's Kamui warp attempts due to superior reflexes, and speed, and the ability to see him coming from a mile away. Then there is the fact Hashirama can use clones, Myojinmon, Mokujin and multiple Mokuryu to deal with the Bijuu instead of using SS, only making it easier to deal with Kamui warp attempts.

Obito has the hax, dc, and knowledge (Obito knows everything about Hashirama, the reverse isn't very true at all) to beat Hashirama.

His DC is inferior, his hax isn't hax enough, and knowledge doesn't change the outcome, it only makes it easier or harder for Hashirama to win.

 

[10th]

Nope. Chapter 695 detailed the whole skirmish where Obito tried to warp people away, but failed, and that was before Kakashi started exploiting Kamui. Hell, head on Obito couldn't warp Gai, who does not have reflexes superior to SM Hashirama, and that's just Gai. Like you showed us in the scan above, he was about to warp Naruto, but Gai and Kakashi stopped him, only proving my point that Obito is going to have trouble fighting multiple, fast, targets. Lol, have no idea why you are mentioning Kakashi, being the great Kamui negater, when they saved Naruto in the above scan by hitting Obito, forcing him to go ghost mode.



No one ever said he can't react. The only reason clones weren't an issue is because KCM Naruto only used one clone, and Obito was able to destroy it with his Gunbai. He can't destroy Mokuton clones with his Gunbai, and SM Hashirama reflexes and CQC ability>KCM Naruto's. So no, that doesn't negate any argument.



Actually, he can, no reason he can't. SS handles Bijuu, and Hashirama evades Obito's Kamui warp attempts due to superior reflexes, and speed, and the ability to see him coming from a mile away. Then there is the fact Hashirama can use clones, Myojinmon, Mokujin and multiple Mokuryu to deal with the Bijuu instead of using SS, only making it easier to deal with Kamui warp attempts.




His DC is inferior, his hax isn't hax enough, and knowledge doesn't change the outcome, it only makes it easier or harder for Hashirama to win.

You don't get it, you're thinking that this is just Obito like in chap 595. Hashirama has to deal with 6 bijuus and their fire power, while at the same time worrying about (without to his knowledge even) getting Kamued. Hashirama barley dealt with EMS Madara who was all fire power and who was just essentially one target, he can't replicate it with 6+ targets here with an opponent who has similar if not greater fire power.

Kakashi and Gai came to the battle scene, they weren't apart of the fight beforehand, like Hashirama is ( Hashirama is just one person to deal with as well, despite the clones).

Oh yes it does, and clones have a weaker durability than the original, gunbai isn't the only way to deal with them. And I fail to see the reason why Gunbai can't deal with this wood clone, if he hits the guy hard enough.


He can't see him from a mile away, Obitos chakra appears and re appears with Kamui warp, so it will be an instant (he may be able to react physically, but he has no knowledge of Kamui, and it only takes one improper counter from Hashi to kamui Hashi). I feel as tho that a strategical guerilla like tactics and engagement on the part of the bijuu could hold off those things enough for Hashi to get kamuied, but I'm on my phone going somewhere atm so I will do that later when I can.

His Dc isn't inferior, no way does Hashi have greater pure destructive force than the 6 bijuu + Juubi sized Katon. Hashirama isn't really a incinerating destructive fighter.
Fighting Kamui without knowledge and without space time is like a camel passing through the eye of the needle.

 

[KidGamer65]

You don't get it, you're thinking that this is just Obito like in chap 595. Hashirama has to deal with 6 bijuus and their fire power, while at the same time worrying about (without to his knowledge even) getting Kamued. Hashirama barley dealt with EMS Madara who was all fire power and who was just essentially one target, he can't replicate it with 6+ targets here with an opponent who has similar if not greater fire power.

You keep saying this, yet there is literally no reasoning behind any of your statements. He has clones, why can't he handle multiple targets? He barely dealt with EMS Madara because Madara was strong enough to challenge him, where does that imply he can't deal with multiple targets? Especially since Full Kurama and PS's firepower>>>Obito's Bijuu.

Kakashi and Gai came to the battle scene, they weren't apart of the fight beforehand, like Hashirama is ( Hashirama is just one person to deal with as well, despite the clones).

Is that relevant? No, it's not. The point is, multiple people make it hard for him to warp, clones say hi.

Oh yes it does, and clones have a weaker durability than the original,

Shadow Clones? Yes. Mokuton Clones? No. If you want to kill them you need to kill them like you'd kill the original.

gunbai isn't the only way to deal with them. And I fail to see the reason why Gunbai can't deal with this wood clone, if he hits the guy hard enough.

Gunbai isn't a way to deal with them period. They block with weapons or they block with Mokuton tendrils.

Will the Gunbai kill Hashirama if hit hard enough? No, it won't. So it won't kill Mokuton clones either.

He can't see him from a mile away,

Naruto sensing his friends from a country away disagrees with you.

Obitos chakra appears and re appears with Kamui warp, so it will be an instant

Not relevant. Once he goes for the warp, he'll be tangible, thus perceivable.

(he may be able to react physically, but he has no knowledge of Kamui, and it only takes one improper counter from Hashi to kamui Hashi). I feel as tho that a strategical guerilla like tactics and engagement on the part of the bijuu could hold off those things enough for Hashi to get kamuied, but I'm on my phone going somewhere atm so I will do that later when I can.

If Obito tries to touch him, he isn't going to stand there. He hits him with a Mokuton or outright evades, either one means that Obito can't warp, so Hashirama's escaped. Not to mention if he tries to warp Hashirama, this happens and Obito

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Ok.

His Dc isn't inferior, no way does Hashi have greater pure destructive force than the 6 bijuu + Juubi sized Katon. Hashirama isn't really a incinerating destructive fighter.

Lol @ Katon being mentioned.

PS Kurama's Bijuu Dama Blade Barrage>Obito's Bijuu when it comes to firepower, just go look at the explosions the two caused.

Fighting Kamui without knowledge and without space time is like a camel passing through the eye of the needle.

Not really. Fighting Kamui without knowledge is nowhere near as hard as people make it seem. Just don't let your opponent touch you, something that should be obviously.

 

[10th]

You keep saying this, yet there is literally no reasoning behind any of your statements. He has clones, why can't he handle multiple targets? He barely dealt with EMS Madara because Madara was strong enough to challenge him, where does that imply he can't deal with multiple targets? Especially since Full Kurama and PS's firepower>>>Obito's Bijuu.


Is that relevant? No, it's not. The point is, multiple people make it hard for him to warp, clones say hi.


Shadow Clones? Yes. Mokuton Clones? No. If you want to kill them you need to kill them like you'd kill the original.


Gunbai isn't a way to deal with them period. They block with weapons or they block with Mokuton tendrils.

Will the Gunbai kill Hashirama if hit hard enough? No, it won't. So it won't kill Mokuton clones either.


Naruto sensing his friends from a country away disagrees with you.



Not relevant. Once he goes for the warp, he'll be tangible, thus perceivable.



If Obito tries to touch him, he isn't going to stand there. He hits him with a Mokuton or outright evades, either one means that Obito can't warp, so Hashirama's escaped. Not to mention if he tries to warp Hashirama, this happens and Obito

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Ok.


Lol @ Katon being mentioned.

PS Kurama's Bijuu Dama Blade Barrage>Obito's Bijuu when it comes to firepower, just go look at the explosions the two caused.



Not really. Fighting Kamui without knowledge is nowhere near as hard as people make it seem. Just don't let your opponent touch you, something that should be obviously.

It's really not hard to see why he can't handle 6 Bijuu + gedo Mazo while being under a threat he has no knowledge about (Kamui). Assuming that clones come into play so early in the fight, they will be too busy handling the multiple bijuu (if they can that is) while Obito Kamuis the original. And lol, EMS Madara off screened the wood shits without kyuubi and perfect susano (highly suggested), are you now going to claim that ems Madara without kyuubi and Perfect susano (if not used) > Obito?

It is relevant, Kakashi and Gai weren't apart of the battle, but Hashirama is. Obito has knowledge on Hashirama and his wood clone tactics, so he's at least prepared.

I meant when Obito Kamuis into his dimension, his chakra becomes untraceable, even to a SM user such as Hashirama.

His clones durability depends on the chakra he gives them, but they will generally be of lower durability level than the original Hashirama. He needs to expend much chakra to combat the 6 bijuus of course.

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And even then it can be interpreted that giving the wood clones more chakra increases their battle prowess, but not their durability per say. But w/e, we might be pulling at straws here.
It's established that Hashirama > Hashi wood clones in durability, usually by a significant amount.

That wood jutsu that Hashirma did against Juubito wont work, it's too slow. Obito can kamui a Minato who is prepared to use ftg with one touch, and if push comes to shove Obito is fast enough to go to ghost mode and disappears again.

Why did you "lol" at Katon being mentioned when discussing dc?

That's Madaras dc, we were purely talking about Hashis dc here.

It really is that hard. Without being/having juubis jin,hagos chakra, another s/t jutsu, Kaguya there really isn't much you can do against Kamui.

 

[Benjamin King]

Wood riders never cease to amaze me. Obito wraps him low diff.

 

[OnPoint]

Lets see, with the clones out, the moment obito solidifies to attack he gets gang banged by the multiple clones,
and if he warps one of the clones, then he is getting raped from both dimensions

Obito benefits from 7 view points. Even if he's only half-competent with his Sharingan, there's an extremely poor chance of him being taken by surprise or overwhelmed by Moku Bunshins, since he has Kamui and the 3 tomoe's abilities to aid him. It would also be totally out of character for Hashirama to produce anything upwards of around 10 clones for what is essentially one opponent in this scenario.

We've already mentioned that Obito is in control of where in Kamuiland objects are sent, so getting 'raped from both dimensions' isn't really an issue.

You are being very unreasonable with your analysis.

and with SM reactions and reflexes on the agenda, obito is certainly not the one landing the blows, and even if he does, the only blow thats worth mentioning is the kamui warp yet that just confirms his death, anything else is just garbage

Literally, one touch is a loss for Hashirama. CQC, even in Sage Mode, would absolutely be one of the worst approaches to take.

the moment hashirama sees that he can only attack obito when the latter comes to attack, then he uses the clones to rape him, seeing how he would have the sense to attack obito with diversions

Minato thought the same and even he was touched. Hashirama isn't able to put all his energy into deducing the mechanics of Kamui; he's got 6 Jinchuuriki paths to worry about as well. How does their linked vision work? Are they all seeing the same thing? Are they afforded all of the Rinnegan's abilities? Can they use the powers of each Bijuu? What is Gedou Mazou? All of these things will be running through his mind. Now, if you had talked about his reconnaissance-based abilities, you would've gone somewhere. Whether or not the Bunshins can accurately obtain information whilst putting all their efforts into fighting Obito remains to be seen. As it is, you're not looking at the bigger picture. You're oversimplifying this fight far too much and assuming Shodai can complete a range of tasks simultaneously simply because he'd likely be able to do so individually. It doesn't work like that.

Nope, he cant destroy the forest, and hes not evading the forest worth of pollen either, and the pollen would just increase even more over time, meaning that the moment obito comes out, he gets put to sleep,, prolonging it, is just making it worse for him
and the clones would just confirm that he dies,

He's got warping, Juubi sized Katon's, flight etc. Flower Tree World isn't where Hashirama will find success.

 

[VongolaX]

It's funny how people function.

Sm Hashirama couldn't kill EMS Madara with the kyuubi.

Now Hashirama is suppose to magically take on all six full bijuus and the Gedo mazou at the same time?

Are people really that spiteful against Obito that they'll post stupid things like this?

A small ttb with Susanoo sword took out one mountain and ten of those were used to break the SS buddah.

Now how does it compete with a massive tailed beast bomb?:

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One of this would wipe a village clean, and then some.

The buddah can't survive this, it was said in the databook to do combat with one bijuu, two or more would trash that thing.

People are terrible trolls

 

[10th]

It's funny how people function.

Sm Hashirama couldn't kill EMS Madara with the kyuubi.

Now Hashirama is suppose to magically take on all six full bijuus and the Gedo mazou at the same time?

Are people really that spiteful against Obito that they'll post stupid things like this?

A small ttb with Susanoo sword took out one mountain and ten of those were used to break the SS buddah.

Now how does it compete with a massive tailed beast bomb?:

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One of this would wipe a village clean, and then some.

The buddah can't survive this, it was said in the databook to do combat with one bijuu, two or more would trash that thing.

People are terrible trolls

Agreed, tell em brah! It's exactly what I said in my last wallie. Madara off paneled many of Hashiramas "jutsus" that people have said would end Obito without Kyuubi.

 

[Strict]

Sm Hashirama couldn't kill EMS Madara with the kyuubi.

Now Hashirama is suppose to magically take on all six full bijuus and the Gedo mazou at the same time?

Lol. Full Kyuubi armored in PS >>>> The Bijuu and Gedo Mazo.
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(shown) scale. Same goes for Gedo Mazo. It is fodderized.

 

[OnPoint]

Though the usage of clone feints is a common way to grope one's way towards the opponent's unknown abilities. Gakido is mainly designed for absorbing Ninjutsu; absorbing Chakra from an individual would be rather ineffective, as it would assume not only the opponent's immobility but altogether inability to perform any Jutsu, to ensure an unmolested performance. Hence it is even said you need to fight Gaikido physically. In addition, if the clone uses Senchakra, he may turns to stone as well.

I was alluding more to the technique which he used against Madara, although i'm unsure as to the origins of that power.

But I also think that Obito decides where to warp the opponent in Kamuiland. But against multiple Mokuton-Bunshin which are optionally enhanced with Senjutsu, Obito might be outmatched. As I said, the Bijuu should not be a problem with Mokuton and the gates. Once they are restrained, their Chakra is drained.

I agree about the Bijuu themselves not being much of an issue. But the linked vision of the paths will certainly cause Shodai problems, particularly if Obito is hiding and reappearing on a consistent basis. Obito will nearly always have bearings on Hashirama; the same can't be said the other way, even with Sage Mode involved.

 

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It's funny how people function.

Sm Hashirama couldn't kill EMS Madara with the kyuubi.

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Now Hashirama is suppose to magically take on all six full bijuus and the Gedo mazou at the same time?

Are people really that spiteful against Obito that they'll post stupid things like this?

A small ttb with Susanoo sword took out one mountain and ten of those were used to break the SS buddah.

Now how does it compete with a massive tailed beast bomb?:

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One of this would wipe a village clean, and then some.

The buddah can't survive this, it was said in the databook to do combat with one bijuu, two or more would trash that thing.

People are terrible trolls

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Stay banned troll.

It really is that hard. Without being/having juubis jin,hagos chakra, another s/t jutsu, Kaguya there really isn't much you can do against Kamui.

If a fodder lke Konan could kill Obito and force him to use Izanagi, then I highly doubt that.

 

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Stay banned troll.





If a fodder lke Konan could kill Obito and force him to use Izanagi, then I highly doubt that.

Konan preped for loooooooong time to do that, don't twist the circumstances of it bro U_U