Rinnegan = Mokuton (good evidence and reason)

[Minator93]

Well now that you mention it, I think there's a possibility. In many ways I thought that the WS was OP. Also its unique to Hashirama or rather was, However the manga suggests that you need Mokutan in order to activate the Rinnegan. That puts the Rinnegan above it.

But still I can see the comparisons, nice thread!

 

[KingHashirama]

Just like placing Hashirama's DNA into someone elses enables them Mokuton.. There is no difference. Hashirama being the first Mokuton user means nothing in which you've included at the bottom of your response for some apparent reason.

All in all. The Rinnegan is what allowed Mokuton to exist. Without the existence of The Rinnegan, Mokuton would be nothing. That's all I wanted to establish.

So Hashirama's dad > Hashirama?

Fact: Rinnegan has nothing to do with Mokuton, even in Naruto its more valuable then the Rinnegan.

Unless you have something besides your assumptions to prove your point, this is pointless to argue about it from your basis. However, placing Hashirama's DNA into someone doesn't enable them with the full ablilities of the Mokuton, which can only be done by Hashirama. However, Rinnegan is a different story.

And implanting Mokuton is different then combining Senju and Uchiha dna to get the Rinnegan...

Well now that you mention it, I think there's a possibility. In many ways I thought that the WS was OP. Also its unique to Hashirama or rather was, However the manga suggests that you need Mokutan in order to activate the Rinnegan. That puts the Rinnegan above it.

But still I can see the comparisons, nice thread!

No you misread my friend, Manga states you need SENJU DNA.... not specifically Hashirama's dna.. but SENJU dna...

However, Hashirama's dna > Senju dna why? due to Mokuton itself.

Considering the only way to get the rinnegan besides transplanting it is to combine senju and uchiha DNA and even then there's a big chance you will not get it you can't say they are equal. You could make similar comparisons with other kkg. The rinnegan should be better, but they are all ninja tools anyways, it's up to the user. We can't prove that hashirama isn't just using shape manipulation and that he can change how the wood release techniques work, as in suppressing tailed beast chakra or putting life in them. Almost any ninjutsu can be a map changer with enough chakra, even taijutsu. Kimimaro and haku can do the similar attacks to make multiple extensions as arms and hands.

Because they are different types of KKG. However, if you transplant the rinnegan... then its the same as transplanting Hashirama's Dna. And you actually can't make same comparisons with other KKG.. due to these 2 being the TOP.

You can't even ASSUME hes shape manipulating without any evidence...

Name a KKG that can change the map immediately like the Rinnegan and Mokuton on a grad scale.

Haku can't do similar attacks..... that have something to do with his arms changing.... Kimimaro pops out his bones.... O-o... different thing..While these 2 turn the user's arms into something different entirely.

 

[DrProof]

Well now that you mention it, I think there's a possibility. In many ways I thought that the WS was OP. Also its unique to Hashirama or rather was, However the manga suggests that you need Mokutan in order to activate the Rinnegan. That puts the Rinnegan above it.

But still I can see the comparisons, nice thread!

I don't believe it was mentioned you needed Mokuton (although I see your relating Hashirama's DNA) to use the Rinnegan. You simply had to have a combination of Senju (meaning any Senju Clan member), and the Sharingan.

So Hashirama's dad > Hashirama?

Fact: Rinnegan has nothing to do with Mokuton, even in Naruto its more valuable then the Rinnegan.

Unless you have something besides your assumptions to prove your point, this is pointless to argue about it from your basis. However, placing Hashirama's DNA into someone doesn't enable them with the full ablilities of the Mokuton, which can only be done by Hashirama. However, Rinnegan is a different story.

And implanting Mokuton is different then combining Senju and Uchiha dna to get the Rinnegan...

.. Now I understand why Sir Derp Obito calls you KingMoron. A title in which you're worthy of.

 

[Minator93]

No you misread my friend, Manga states you need SENJU DNA.... not specifically Hashirama's dna.. but SENJU dna...

However, Hashirama's dna > Senju dna why? due to Mokuton itself.

I know it says Senju DNA, but till this date only Hashi's DNA has been used. But "Technically" you're right. Also there's one more thing that should support you're thread, this panel :

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Juubi was being controlled on the basis of Rinnegan alone but after its transformation the WS was required.

 

[KingHashirama]

.. Now I understand why Sir Derp Obito calls you KingMoron. A title in which you're worthy of.

And no wonder your the worst debater out of all the major ones.. and usually rely on your assumptions to back you up. I suggest backing up your username.

I know it says Senju DNA, but till this date only Hashi's DNA has been used. But "Technically" you're right. Also there's one more thing that should support you're thread is this panel :

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Juubi was being controlled on the basis of Rinnegan alone but after its transformation the WS was required.

Just shows Mokuton is stronger in taming/controlling...

 

[bigfatloser]

wow I came into this thread to call you an idiot but this actually was a pretty nice topic. good job.

 

[Retsu]

I dunno, their differences between their overall power is staggering tbh, yamato demonstrated a chakra suppression ability, but he couldn't stop kisame from breaking free, if anything this just goes to show how versatile mokuton is, but I wouldn't say mokuton equals rinnegan though, hashirama is needed to make mokuton op, rinnegan grants the user control over all elements just for starters. Nice thread though.

 

[Waltz]

Conclusion:

Before people spam out, READ THIS! Mokuton and Rinnegan are possessed by the 2 God of Shinobi. Even you don't want to admit it their lifes are also similar. These 2 KKG specialize in different things, where the other doesn't. Also, they have alot of things similar.

THIS IS COMPARING OF THE KKG , NOT THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES.

Key word in your sentence is doujutsu. And if your really gonna say Rinnegan superior.. then you really have no proof to back it up.

False.

It is evident that you are attempting to convey that Mokuton overall is Superior to or on equal terms with the varying attributes rooted within the Rin'negan, the Rikudo's Doujutsu. I'll enlighten you. With the Rin'negan; Rikudo and even to the extents of Madara were able to bring forth physical-beings wielding flesh and blood out of nothingness, piling on to that, the Rin'negan is able to read minds and extract souls via Ningendō, revive souls via Gedō: Rinne Tensei no Jutsu (a connection between the Pure and Unpure world). A Doujutsu originally associated with a Man who became known as a God, Created the Moon at will and discerned the true meaning of Chakra via these eyes as with them, the wielder is able to learn any elemental technique regardless of chakra nature; to the extents of In'Youton. Can Mokuton grant such abilities? Has Mokuton accomplished anything remotely near the level of the Rin'negan? In actuality mokuton is merely a combination of Suiton, Doton and Yoton which completely subtracts the seriousness of your argument.

 

[KingHashirama]

I know it says Senju DNA, but till this date only Hashi's DNA has been used. But "Technically" you're right. Also there's one more thing that should support you're thread, this panel :

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Juubi was being controlled on the basis of Rinnegan alone but after its transformation the WS was required.

wow I came into this thread to call you an idiot but this actually was a pretty nice topic. good job.

Lol

I dunno, their differences between their overall power is staggering tbh, yamato demonstrated a chakra suppression ability, but he couldn't stop kisame from breaking free, if anything this just goes to show how versatile mokuton is, but I wouldn't say mokuton equals rinnegan though, hashirama is needed to make mokuton op, rinnegan grants the user control over all elements just for starters. Nice thread though.

Of course cause its Hashirama's lol. While the rinnegan isn't specific to 1 person. Mokuton is. And that is why I put the rinnegan above in that category of elements. But then Mokuton smashes on rinnegan with Taming.

False.

It is evident that you are attempting to convey that Mokuton overall is Superior to or on equal terms with the varying attributes rooted within the Rin'negan, the Rikudo's Doujutsu. With the Rin'negan; Rikudo and even to the extents of Madara were able to bring forth physical-beings wielding flesh and blood out of nothingness, piling on to that, the Rin'negan is able to extract and revive souls via Gedō: Rinne Tensei no Jutsu a connection between the Pure and Unpure world. A Doujutsu originally associated with a Man who became known as a God, Created the Moon at will and discerned the true meaning of Chakra via these eyes as with them, the wielder is able to learn any elemental technique regardless of chakra nature; to the extents of Yin-Yang release. Can Mokuton grant such abilities? Has Mokuton accomplished anything remotely near the level of the Rin'negan? In actuality mokuton is merely a combination of Suiton, Doton and Yoton which completely subtracts the seriousness of your argument.

Thank you for mentioning that, now I can tell you how Mokuton simply trolls on a Tailed beast. The largest structure created is from Mokuton. The shaping of the Moon is still not clarified, so I can't really say anything. But if that moon is the same as the real moon, then its totally false.

Does Rinnegan enable the person to travel through land? Does it enable the person to create the strongest clones in Naruto-verse? Does it enable the person to grab a Bijuu bomb? Does it enable the person to regenerate?

Clearly rinnegan is outclassed in that.

And at what you called me wrong in.. you really have to be joking me. Saying that they aren't similar at all. Underrating Mokuton even though it created a being bigger then the Juubi is a bloody joke.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Those two are the true powers of So6P! Nice thread.

 

[Retsu]

Lol, Obito tamed multiple beast with spikes using rinnegan, if someone like hashirama had rinnegan I'm sure he could probably tame the juubi with a black rod. I doubt we will ever see yamato or danzo control even 1 bijuu using mokuton.

 

[KingHashirama]

Those two are the true powers of So6P! Nice thread.

SO6P only has Rinnegan bro.

 

[Draphsin]

Mokuton doesnt absorb chakra, it suppresses it.

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Preta path still absorbs it, therefore it can tank any form of mokuton.

 

[KingHashirama]

Mokuton doesnt absorb chakra, it suppresses it.

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Preta path still absorbs it, therefore it can tank any form of mokuton.

:eww: reread the Obito fight, with Mokuton Dragon amigo.

 

[Blackie Chan]

So Hashirama's dad > Hashirama?

Fact: Rinnegan has nothing to do with Mokuton, even in Naruto its more valuable then the Rinnegan.

Unless you have something besides your assumptions to prove your point, this is pointless to argue about it from your basis. However, placing Hashirama's DNA into someone doesn't enable them with the full ablilities of the Mokuton, which can only be done by Hashirama. However, Rinnegan is a different story.

And implanting Mokuton is different then combining Senju and Uchiha dna to get the Rinnegan...
It was stated that with the rinnegan you can use wood release which puts it at the very top anyways. Kimimaro launched an attack while submerged in sand that covered a huge area, with enough chakra he could make it even bigger, haku could do the same with ice or snow if he wanted to. Considering wood release is a nature change in chakra, when it changes shape also it is shape manipulation, just like kirin, or when Sasuke's fireball looked like a dragon. Explosion release could be big enough to change the map, it's all about chakra. You can say kimimaro is just popping the bones out, but he is still changing the properties and making it grow out, it's all the same thing just a slightly different process, that's how kishi uses techniques, just like jinchuriki using tailed beast chakra, bee changing his hand to the 8 tails hand, Naruto extending his 9 tails chakra arm. It's all the same concept, the only difference is what is being used not how, it just looks different. Rinnegan is the top for now, and it's all about amount of chakra and its release, just like everything has a weakness and can be scaled


No you misread my friend, Manga states you need SENJU DNA.... not specifically Hashirama's dna.. but SENJU dna...

However, Hashirama's dna > Senju dna why? due to Mokuton itself.



Because they are different types of KKG. However, if you transplant the rinnegan... then its the same as transplanting Hashirama's Dna. And you actually can't make same comparisons with other KKG.. due to these 2 being the TOP.

You can't even ASSUME hes shape manipulating without any evidence...

Name a KKG that can change the map immediately like the Rinnegan and Mokuton on a grad scale.

Haku can't do similar attacks..... that have something to do with his arms changing.... Kimimaro pops out his bones.... O-o... different thing..While these 2 turn the user's arms into something different entirely.

It was stated that with the rinnegan you can use wood release which puts it at the very top anyways. Kimimaro launched an attack while submerged in sand that covered a huge area, with enough chakra he could make it even bigger, haku could do the same with ice or snow if he wanted to. Considering wood release is a nature change in chakra, when it changes shape also it is shape manipulation, just like kirin, or when Sasuke's fireball looked like a dragon. Explosion release could be big enough to change the map, it's all about chakra. You can say kimimaro is just popping the bones out, but he is still changing the properties and making it grow out, it's all the same thing just a slightly different process, that's how kishi uses techniques, just like jinchuriki using tailed beast chakra, bee changing his hand to the 8 tails hand, Naruto extending his 9 tails chakra arm. It's all the same concept, the only difference is what is being used not how, it just looks different. Rinnegan is the top for now, and it's all about amount of chakra and its release, just like everything has a weakness and can be scaled

 

[AngelicYami]

Good work, I Agree with your points.

 

[KingHashirama]

It was stated that with the rinnegan you can use wood release which puts it at the very top anyways. Kimimaro launched an attack while submerged in sand that covered a huge area, with enough chakra he could make it even bigger, haku could do the same with ice or snow if he wanted to. Considering wood release is a nature change in chakra, when it changes shape also it is shape manipulation, just like kirin, or when Sasuke's fireball looked like a dragon. Explosion release could be big enough to change the map, it's all about chakra. You can say kimimaro is just popping the bones out, but he is still changing the properties and making it grow out, it's all the same thing just a slightly different process, that's how kishi uses techniques, just like jinchuriki using tailed beast chakra, bee changing his hand to the 8 tails hand, Naruto extending his 9 tails chakra arm. It's all the same concept, the only difference is what is being used not how, it just looks different. Rinnegan is the top for now, and it's all about amount of chakra and its release, just like everything has a weakness and can be scaled

@ BOLD sure wasn't stated in the manga ;]

With "enough chakra".... hmm he wasn't out of chakra... your making assumptions, with no evidence behind them.

Incorrect, Mokuton gives life... any other element doesn't. Whether its earth or water. So you comparing it to the other elements is a big flaw mate.

And How can it be shape manipulation where there is no manipulation going on?

ok I'm comparing the 2 TOP KKG and your now putting in Tailed beasts in here.. that doesn't go together mate.

 

[Draphsin]

:eww: reread the Obito fight, with Mokuton Dragon amigo.

Lol Pfft, it took over 2 chapters to finally start to show any sort of fatigue from naruto. Preta path is instant absorption, so even if mokuton can absorb, preta path is far more effective.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol Pfft, it took over 2 chapters to finally start to show any sort of fatigue from naruto. Preta path is instant absorption, so even if mokuton can absorb, preta path is far more effective.

hmm.. I never said which was more effective.. considering the fact that a person can still move in Preta path, while binded by Mokuton your getting your chakra absorbed and your binded.

 

[Blackie Chan]

@ BOLD sure wasn't stated in the manga ;]

With "enough chakra".... hmm he wasn't out of chakra... your making assumptions, with no evidence behind them.

Incorrect, Mokuton gives life... any other element doesn't. Whether its earth or water. So you comparing it to the other elements is a big flaw mate.

And How can it be shape manipulation where there is no manipulation going on?

ok I'm comparing the 2 TOP KKG and your now putting in Tailed beasts in here.. that doesn't go together mate.

Didn't jiraiya say nagato mastered 6 different nature changes showing wood as one? I meant shape transformation my bad, and I brought up the others to show how anything can be compared, depending on how you look at it. I gotta wake up for work in a few hours so good thread lol