[Theory] Rinnegan and SpaceTime Ability.

[valandil988]

Chakra is driving the technique all way along, hence why the Kamui starts absorbing you at the end of that "wormhole" which means it doesn't matter if you're right next to the eye or a meter away it has the same impact. The jutsu doesn't work if the chakra doesn't reach / help. Besides, Preta Path absorbs ninjutsu not only chakra. So it doesn't really matter.

Ninjutsu is chakra shaped into a technique, lightning chakra is not natural lightning. Hence can be absorbed by petra path. Real lightning cannot be absorbed its like saying the Petra path could absorb a mountain =_= is earth ninjutsu absorb-able? The chakra moving the earth is, however the mass itself won't disappear. So get straight what the petra path actually does, it absorbs the driving force, chakra, that creates ninjutsu whether the ninjutsu itself is wholly created by chakra or not determines petra path's effectiveness.

For example earth techniques and rasengan. Rasengan is ninjutsu and is completely absorbed becuase it is wholly made from chakra, earth techniques manipulate the land that already exists, so if someone drops a mountain on a rinnegan user they could absorb the chakra driving the technique but gravity would take over at the mountain would still squish them in that case they would use Deva path as it would be far more effective.

And no you can't say how Kamui works for certain so that the petra path can absorb it, we have never seen a precise scenario that tells us one way or another. It could be that all chakra is confined to Obito's eye which then manipulates space-time around it, hence Petra path would be useless against it unless the user could directly lay hands on Obito to use the technique. Or it could be as you say that the chakra leaves the eye to drive the technique directly in which case petra path could absorb the technique easily.

I'm not saying your wrong but you have to accept that we can't really say one way or the other. Ultimately we don't know how chakra is used to effect space-time weather it even has to exit the eye (Rinnegan, Obito's sharingan) at all is a question mark. Afterall Kishi orignally said you can't control chakra after it has lost contact with your body, it all depends on connecting with your chakra at a distance.

Interesting analysis of Deva abilities. I understand what you mean in regards to General Relativity. I just think there should be more similarity than just manipulation of space.

At the very least, the Rinnegan should display some form of teleportation ability.

Having Kamui cut space time and Rinnegan only bend space time is just too far of a difference in ability, even if the Sharingan evolves positively in the focal aspect of space manipulation, the difference should not be that pronounced.

Intersting so even in this context Obito's abilities are still Hax

I don't doubt that the Rinnegan can allow its user to teleport, if you can manipulate space on any level its not beyond the realms of possibility. Imagine it like this. The Deva path is more like a 6th affinity added on to the normal 5. You can create any kind of jutsu regarding this affinity if you have the imagination/understanding to do it.

Its more like Obito was handed one of the most complicated and esoteric jutsu of the Deva path on a plate. that he could spontaneously use without even understanding them. Madara with enough time and effort I don't doubt he could recreate Obito's techniques. The Rinnegan grants the ability to learn all ninjutsu after all.....if we take it literally you are 100% correct no technique exists outside its purview.

Even still cutting space-time is like breaking reality messing with blackholes etc. All we have seen from the Deva path indicates a very limited ability to control space-time with much more brute force approaches. Then again that could be just Pain and Madara's crappy skills

Then again the principles of Chibaku tensei are close to what you would have to do to recreate Obito's techniques....

 

[miromiro]

Ninjutsu is chakra shaped into a technique, lightning chakra is not natural lightning. Hence can be absorbed by petra path. Real lightning cannot be absorbed its like saying the Petra path could absorb a mountain =_= is earth ninjutsu absorb-able? The chakra moving the earth is, however the mass itself won't disappear. So get straight what the petra path actually does, it absorbs the driving force, chakra, that creates ninjutsu whether the ninjutsu itself is wholly created by chakra or not determines petra path's effectiveness.

For example earth techniques and rasengan. Rasengan is ninjutsu and is completely absorbed becuase it is wholly made from chakra, earth techniques manipulate the land that already exists, so if someone drops a mountain on a rinnegan user they could absorb the chakra driving the technique but gravity would take over at the mountain would still squish them in that case they would use Deva path as it would be far more effective.

And no you can't say how Kamui works for certain so that the petra path can absorb it, we have never seen a precise scenario that tells us one way or another. It could be that all chakra is confined to Obito's eye which then manipulates space-time around it, hence Petra path would be useless against it unless the user could directly lay hands on Obito to use the technique. Or it could be as you say that the chakra leaves the eye to drive the technique directly in which case petra path could absorb the technique easily.

I'm not saying your wrong but you have to accept that we can't really say one way or the other. Ultimately we don't know how chakra is used to effect space-time weather it even has to exit the eye (Rinnegan, Obito's sharingan) at all is a question mark. Afterall Kishi orignally said you can't control chakra after it has lost contact with your body, it all depends on connecting with your chakra at a distance.

Whether you are in control of your chakra or not after it leaves your body isn't really important. Kamui absorbs it either way. But yeah, we can't say for sure, though I tend to believe that chakra manipulates the whole wormhole, hence it can absorb on a far distance. Why could it absorb on a further distance if there wasn't any chakra to make it do so? I do understand your point about Doton, and never denied it. Techniques like that can't be absorbed with Preta Path, since the moved earth isn't chakra, but for that we have Shinra Tensei. But Kamui is a complete chakra jutsu, since it doesn't use any element. I do accept that it may be one or the other, as long as there is ninjutsu, it can be absorbed by Preta Path, be it close to the eye or far.