Rin or Sakura ?

[Raekwon26]

Ok one page obviously wouldn't show everything I agree that was exaggeration at its finest...but just from how she treats obito there you see the stark difference in them. Sakura constantly called naruto an idiot and never acted like she believed he could do what he claimed he wanted to do. Well i'm not gonna go through all the measures to link page and what not but just that one page where obito says he's going to become hokage...she has no proof of that he's pretty much low tare as an uchiha but she does the most important thing as a good friend and team mate - and believes in him and his dream and motivates him. Something sakura didn't do...so yeh that one page said worlds about her.

So, because Rin believed in Obito and Sakura didn't always believe in Naruto, that means she has more depth as a character?

Really?

 

[xcoyote]

Ok one page obviously wouldn't show everything I agree that was exaggeration at its finest...but just from how she treats obito there you see the stark difference in them. Sakura constantly called naruto an idiot and never acted like she believed he could do what he claimed he wanted to do. Well i'm not gonna go through all the measures to link page and what not but just that one page where obito says he's going to become hokage...she has no proof of that he's pretty much low tare as an uchiha but she does the most important thing as a good friend and team mate - and believes in him and his dream and motivates him. Something sakura didn't do...so yeh that one page said worlds about her.

Tbf,Sakura did motivate Nardo in her own way at least.

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[ghostsoldier3]

Ok one page obviously wouldn't show everything I agree that was exaggeration at its finest...but just from how she treats obito there you see the stark difference in them. Sakura constantly called naruto an idiot and never acted like she believed he could do what he claimed he wanted to do. Well i'm not gonna go through all the measures to link page and what not but just that one page where obito says he's going to become hokage...she has no proof of that he's pretty much low tare as an uchiha but she does the most important thing as a good friend and team mate - and believes in him and his dream and motivates him. Something sakura didn't do...so yeh that one page said worlds about her. If anyone does any kind of motivating it would be the other way around as Naruto motivates her.

 

[Erin]

Again, fine.
I don't take a couple of chapters, flashbacks of a smile as deep as others.

And you continue to insult me? Ok then, I never once insulted you for your view on it but alright.

You're right, I'm sorry. That was to harsh and unkind of me. U_U

Here is a proper criticism:
Your view is heavily skewed by the lack of observation that you have displayed. Which is deeply reflective of your inaccurate statement. This causes a horrible measurement bias in your opinion, which makes it an invalid and near baseless.

As far as your overall reason, "I don't take a couple of chapters, flashbacks of a smile as deep as others."

You are missing very essential points, two of these being that Kakashi Gaiden was one of Kishi's only chances to show these kid versions of Kakashi, Obito and Rin (Meaning he literally packed situations that showcase each characters traits into these 5 chapters, unlike normal naruto chapters); and that there is clearly much more and much deeper content being displayed in Obito and Kakashi's flashbacks than simply a smile.

 

[ghostsoldier3]

Tbf,Sakura did motivate Nardo in her own way at least.

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rightttt....yet never actually saying this to him helps how?? It's little things that characters do can have a huge impact. A better example is when she was cheering naruto on in the early fights and telling him to get up...although I think he'd have gotten up anyway cuz he was fighting a battle with himself more than anyone else but it wasn't the real personal type 'i believe in you' stuff - it didn't have the same depth as something as simple as showing someone outright that you believe in them.

 

[ghostsoldier3]

In a way yes...think of what it takes to be willing to have that for someone and the understanding required for it.
Think of the dedication that's required for something of that nature. The power to enable people and give then strength is part of the reason Naruto is a great character and she exhibited those things in that one panel - which is why people said the whole one page vs chapters thing. Think about it...if there was something so noteable that came from sakura don't you think people would remember it? It's not blind hate for her, she just hasn't done any truly noteable feat that people find worthy of remembering as a serious turning event moment for anyone - that's sad and true. The closest and I do mean closest one I recall is when both naruto and sasuke were KO'd and she fought for them -- literally that's it. If there were other moments that I may have forgotten somehow please enlighten me.

At the same time there is no way possible as there are two things missing.
1) more information
2) a time lapse as people can change over time.

 

[Raekwon26]

In a way yes...think of what it takes to be willing to have that for someone and the understanding required for it.
Think of the dedication that's required for something of that nature. The power to enable people and give then strength is part of the reason Naruto is a great character and she exhibited those things in that one panel - which is why people said the whole one page vs chapters thing. Think about it...if there was something so noteable that came from sakura don't you think people would remember it? It's not blind hate for her, she just hasn't done any truly noteable feat that people find worthy of remembering as a serious turning event moment for anyone - that's sad and true. The closest and I do mean closest one I recall is when both naruto and sasuke were KO'd and she fought for them -- literally that's it. If there were other moments that I may have forgotten somehow please enlighten me.

At the same time there is no way possible as there are two things missing.
1) more information
2) a time lapse as people can change over time.

1. That is not DEPTH when describing a character and that alone is not enough to outshine a whole character.

2. Really? I seem to remember Sakura fighting with all her might to protect Sasuke AND Naruto in the Forest of Death. That is more than enough, even equal too. Because it showed she was willing to give up her life to protect the people that she cared for. The power of self-sacrifice is something that other female characters in this Manga are lauded for, but when Sakura did it?
"Oh, it's no big deal, it doesn't mean much"
Oh please.

 

[ThemsKoko]

Why?
Because you know other people can't?

Excuzes-moi, monsieur,
Hell yes, I can answer that question, so can many other people

- She was kind towards ALL her teammates
- She encouraged BOTH her teammates
- She sacrificed herself for Konoha
- She did not mess around with Obito's feelings by lying to him (something Sakura did)
- At least, she kind of played the role of a peacemaker between Kakashi and Obito, while Sakura nearly always bashed Naruto and looked up at Sasuke like a sick fangirl
- She did NOT fangirl over Kakashi like an idiot
- She was obviously very skilled, especially in comparison to Sakura when they were the same age, as she healed her comrades at an age Sakura didn't even start medical ninjutsu yet
- She was also very skilled, as she became a chuunin at a very young age
-She was determined as hell, as was shown when she let herself get killed by Kakashi
- She was incredibly loyal to her village and before you go ahead and say that many ninja's are loyal to their village, I remember the time that Sasuke left and Sakura was crying and saying she wanted to go with him

Most of the things you said about Sakura are laughable, but I won't bother with since other members already made nice comments about that.

:bye:

 

[ThemsKoko]

On a side note, there are many reasons why a lot of people dislike Sakura over here, it has a lot to do with her attitude towards Naruto. And there's a good reason many people like Rin, because she was not like that towards Obito.

 

[Disquiet]

I don't see what more people want from Rin's personality. She's kind, and not selective with it either. She's supportive, decisive, and strong-willed (she was ready to die without a moment's hesitation). She's also mature, intelligent, and selfless.

We've seen enough of her character to know how she would act in certain situations. I mean, look at Shino, Chouji, and a large part of Konoha 11. Their personalities are consistent; unchanging in the majority of their panels. I can sum up Shika as a lazy genius, though his character can be broken down in depth, we don't see it unless he's in a stressful situation or empathizing with his fellow Konoha peers. Same could be said of rest of Konoha 11. Shino is very quiet, but intelligent. However, he's almost always that way in all his panels. Heck, I could even go as far as to say that Rin has more of a personality than Shino (according to the vague definition of personality that some seem to possess). Out of the entire K11 (excluding a few), I honestly couldn't tell you they'd be so willing to sacrifice their life on the spot with no hesitation.

I think many is confusing personality with known abilities, and a background story.


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My point is I don't think we're going to get much more out of Rin's personality. We could get a story about her origins, and maybe some abilities. But, her personality is there and definitely not lacking. The number of panels doesn't matter much if the writer can depict a personality sufficiently within that amount of panels. So simply saying, "She only had X amount of panels" (which hasn't been doing the true amount of panels justice) only shows that one doesn't care to understand the character.

On a side note, there are many reasons why a lot of people dislike Sakura over here, it has a lot to do with her attitude towards Naruto. And there's a good reason many people like Rin, because she was not like that towards Obito.

@Bold, this has a lot of truth in it.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Wow... 10 Pages to discuss an annoying and poorly developed character against a character who hasn't had nearly enough screen time/ panels to make a fair judgement on. From what we have seen Rin has a better character overall because we have only seen her do nothing but smile and support her team.

 

[Made in Heaven]

How did this even get 10 pages?

 

[Disquiet]

This thread will never die lol. Being on the homepage may have something to do with it.

 

[opticsnm]

Rin all day everyday we havent really got to know the character but i believe any character is better then sakura. # sakura hater for life she is just lame

 

[Erin]

I don't see what more people want from Rin's personality. She's kind, and not selective with it either. She's supportive, decisive, and strong-willed (she was ready to die without a moment's hesitation). She's also mature, intelligent, and selfless.

We've seen enough of her character to know how she would act in certain situations. I mean, look at Shino, Chouji, and a large part of Konoha 11. Their personalities are consistent; unchanging in the majority of their panels. I can sum up Shika as a lazy genius, though his character can be broken down in depth, we don't see it unless he's in a stressful situation or empathizing with his fellow Konoha peers. Same could be said of rest of Konoha 11. Shino is very quiet, but intelligent. However, he's almost always that way in all his panels. Heck, I could even go as far as to say that Rin has more of a personality than Shino (according to the vague definition of personality that some seem to possess). Out of the entire K11, I honestly couldn't tell you they'd be so willing to sacrifice their life on the spot with no hesitation.

I think many is confusing personality with known abilities, and a background story.


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My point is I don't think we're going to get much more out of Rin's personality. We could get a story about her origins, and maybe some abilities. But, her personality is there and definitely not lacking. The number of panels doesn't matter much if the writer can depict a personality sufficiently within that amount of panels.

Thank you U_U

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

Why ask us a question that can't be answered? I can't say who nicer or who's not since there's not as much about Rin since there is to Sakura. So I say both of them

 

[Erin]

Why the face?

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XD

Do you want me to pick Sakura over Rin? It's my choice. IF you want me to I'll mention the only important thing RIn did in Kakashi Gaiden.

Rin's Kindness >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sakura's
Indisputable.
Not a matter of preference.
Nothing to discuss.

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

XD

Rin's Kindness >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sakura's
Indisputable.
Not a matter of preference.
Nothing to discuss.

What's so cool about a plain kind character? THAT'S COMPLETELY BORING!
We need boisterous characters that speak their mind and know how to get to business, not characters that are too kind that they don't. IF RIN WAS SOO NICE THEN WHY SHE HAD TO FRIENDZONE OBITO????

 

[Bogard]

I choose Rin just because of Erin

 

[Erin]

What's so cool about a plain kind character? THAT'S COMPLETELY BORING!
We need boisterous characters that speak their mind and know how to get to business, not characters that are too kind that they don't. IF RIN WAS SOO NICE THEN WHY SHE HAD TO FRIENDZONE OBITO????

1. You and I both know we aren't talking about personal preference. I'm not discussing who is a better character, though I'm sure you can guess my opinion. While I could stand here and tell you all about exactly why I don't find her character boring in the slightest, i'll just leave it alone, in the end both of us are just putting forth opinions, both of which are based on personal preference.
However, what is fact, is that Rin's kindness >>>> Sakura's.

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2. Obito never confessed.

3. If you consider it "Friend zoning" even when they're is a lack of confession, then Sakura did the same thing to Naruto in part 1.