Rikudou Sennin Is Definitely An Uzumaki

[Reuky]

Perhaps + rep.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Perhaps + rep.

Merci

 

[hamer34]

Very probable
Nice thread!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Very probable
Nice thread!

Thanks!

 

[Chuggs]

Ok so I just called Kishimoto to comfirm this information, so everything stated below is 100% accurate.

Uchiha = So6P's Eyes.
Senju = So6P's Body.

An Uchiha needs a Senju body to awaken the Rinnegan, while a Senju needs a Sharingan to awaken the Rinnegan.
There is no DNA mixing in the eye it is just the Senju chakra flowing through the sharingan that awakens its true potential and becomes the Rinnegan but its DNA remains exactly the same, Uchiha DNA.

All that happened when Madara gave Nagato his eyes was a Rinnegan being transplanted from a Senju body into a different Senju body.

Also arguing that the Rinnegan was unique to Rikudou contradicts your idea of the Uzumaki having both Senju and Uchiha DNA, since that specific genetic mutation he passed on to the Uchihas was his alone and the Uzumakis shouldn't have it.
Its also the same with that other theory of the So6P gaining the Rinnegan from the Juubi, which would make those eyes his alone.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Ok so I just called Kishimoto to comfirm this information, so everything stated below is 100% accurate.

Uchiha = So6P's Eyes.
Senju = So6P's Body.

An Uchiha needs a Senju body to awaken the Rinnegan, while a Senju needs a Sharingan to awaken the Rinnegan.
There is no DNA mixing in the eye it is just the Senju chakra flowing through the sharingan that awakens its true potential and becomes the Rinnegan but its DNA remains exactly the same, Uchiha DNA.

All that happened when Madara gave Nagato his eyes was a Rinnegan being transplanted from a Senju body into a different Senju body.

Also arguing that the Rinnegan was unique to Rikudou contradicts your idea of the Uzumaki having both Senju and Uchiha DNA, since that specific genetic mutation he passed on to the Uchihas was his alone and the Uzumakis shouldn't have it.
Its also the same with that other theory of the So6P gaining the Rinnegan from the Juubi, which would make those eyes his alone.

You called Kishi? Did he really say there's no mixing of DNA in an eye awakened from the body possessing both dna's? Do please tell me what Kishi said, can I have his number?


And also I did not claim that the successive Uzumakis were all of direct patrilineal descent from the Sage but rather they are related from the sage through common and not direct ancestry, so there is no contradiction if Rikudou's direct descendants are able to awaken it while his clan's other descendants couldn't

 

[MarkPaul]

Good Job Derp

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Good Job Derp

Thanks!

 

[Naruto insane killer]

I believe in ur theory and thus the explanation why nagato can use reingann without ill effect like kakashi has while using sharingan and MS because nagato contained both uzumaki and uchiha blood.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think it's a foolish assumption that Madara's Rinnegan is comprised solely of Uchiha DNA, if this Rinnegan is a copy of the original Rinnegan possessed by the Sage, who has the combined DNA composition of his two sons, then the Original Rinnegan is definitely a combination of both Uchiha+Senju DNA, and if Madara emulated that process, then Madara's Rinnegan is a perfect copy if the Sage's Rinnegan, that which ontains uchiha and senju's genetic material, what others have posted that Madara's Rinnegan eye remained comprised purely of Uchiha DNA while the body wielding it is different from the eyes' genetic composition by possessing only Senju DNA is absurd.

 

[Honord Sage]

Fact their were no Uchiha and Senju when the SO6P was alive,Fact the SO6P Created Ninjutsu and the Clan System, Fact SO6P Establish The First Clan His Clan and it was not the Uchiha nor the Senju, then Who? Adding Senju and Uchiha DNA Is Reverse Engineering back to the SO6P DNA,thats a fact. What do all this fact add up to along with now more and more information being uncovered in just about every issue of Manga? Conclusion is SO6P Was an Uzumaki. Uzumaki are the parents of the Uchiha and the Senju.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Fact their were no Uchiha and Senju when the SO6P was alive,Fact the SO6P Created Ninjutsu and the Clan System, Fact SO6P Establish The First Clan His Clan and it was not the Uchiha nor the Senju, then Who? Adding Senju and Uchiha DNA Is Reverse Engineering back to the SO6P DNA,thats a fact. What do all this fact add up to along with now more and more information being uncovered in just about every issue of Manga? Conclusion is SO6P Was an Uzumaki. Uzumaki are the parents of the Uchiha and the Senju.

Agreed

 

[Crow.]

Very compelling morning read my friend.
I agree on all points.

I'd like very much to add to your theory.

I do also wonder, being that one unlocks hire teirs of
the sharingan through pain and suffering, would it make sense
that after having bothe strains of DNA a person also has to have
some sort of psychological stimulant equal or perhaps even greater
than the previous suffering?

I think that one needs to have a change of heart to unlock the full
potential of the rinnegan. As Madara never did.

And the fact that you need the DNA of feuding clans
to recreate the rinnegan supports my theory.
As both sides ideally are cooperating to create it.

Will post more in a few hours,
I'm at work.

 

[Vegeta]

Agreed, nice thread man!

 

[Hori]

I find it very hard to agree with your theory, the fact that Uzumaki use seals and Rikudou used seals that can never be solid proof that he belonged to the Uzumaki clan. Infact I believe that although the Sage used sealing techniqiues he only used tools to seal, where in the other hand the Uzumaki use just seals as how Minato use and also the Hokage Senju brothers.

There are too many plot holes that need to be covered before anyone claims something like that. I still belive So6p was not an Uzumaki rather belonged to some other clans.I believe this because we were never told about the Sage before he captured Juubi, but only after he caught it we were told by him.

(Off Topic): So6p was really wicked why did he teach people ninjutsu because if he did it for the sake of peace then he was an idiot xd

 

[Stark]

Yes I agree, nice break down and analysis. Don't forget manga reader has the best translations so always go to them for scans. xd

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Actually the Moon is a weak seal since the normal summoning technique could break it.

 

[EliteRamenNinja]

Uzumaki > all, BAWS CLAN so yeah this is for sure possible!
+ reps

 

[Twin Steps]

Nice thread, though I'd like to clear something up.

Saying the Sage is an Uzumaki means he's from the Uzumaki clan, which isn't true.

It's more like the Uzumaki's inherited the MOST of the Sage's DNA/blood/genes when compared to the Senju, Hyuga, & Uchiha.

 

[KingHashirama]

Ok, thanks bye, anyways


My position on the matter is this: The Sage of the Six Paths was the progenitor of the Senjus and

Uchiha Ancestors, and since the original Rinnegan was his, then the biological and genetic

composition of the Original Rinnegan is comprised of both Senju and Uchiha DNA, and if the

method of awakening them in a new eye is combining both Senju and Uchiha DNA in one body,

then the biological and genetic composition of Madara's awakened Rinnegan must also be the combined

DNA of the Senjus' and the Uchihas', and since the original wielder of the Rinnegan is the Sage,

who has both the two DNAS, and the awakened Rinnegan of Madara's is comprised of both Senju

and Uchiha DNA that awakened from his body that have both DNAs, then it only logically follows

that Madara's Rinnegan itself mutated into having both Senju and Uchiha DNA like the original's,

therefore, if that is so, and the awakening of the Rinnegan and the summoning of the Gedo Mazo

requires the Rinnegan wielder to possess both DNAS, then it only naturally follows that Madara's

chosen successor: Nagato, must have both Uchiha and Senju DNA within him, since, the

implanting of the Rinnegan does not make Nagato's body as a combination of both Uchiha and

Senju DNA, since that is only achieved by the injection of Uchiha or Senju DNA cells within oneself

which is the method Madara used to awaken the Rinnegan in his eye in the first place. So in

conclusion, it's most probable that the body of Nagato, the host, which has Senju dna through his

Uzumaki Heritage, must also have Uchiha DNA prior from the implantation of the Rinnegan

in him, to be faithful to the emulation of the genetic composition of the wielder of the original Rinnegan: Rikudou Sennin. The question therefore of the Uzumaki bloodline is resolved by the theory that the Uzumaki blood contains both the dna material of

Senju and Uchiha which links their heritage to the Sage of the Six Paths who is most probably an Uzumaki himself.

If they have Uchiha Dna, then they also have the Sharingan.

Nice thread, though I'd like to clear something up.

Saying the Sage is an Uzumaki means he's from the Uzumaki clan, which isn't true.

It's more like the Uzumaki's inherited the MOST of the Sage's DNA/blood/genes when compared to the Senju, Hyuga, & Uchiha.

Manga disagrees.

Fact their were no Uchiha and Senju when the SO6P was alive,Fact the SO6P Created Ninjutsu and the Clan System, Fact SO6P Establish The First Clan His Clan and it was not the Uchiha nor the Senju, then Who? Adding Senju and Uchiha DNA Is Reverse Engineering back to the SO6P DNA,thats a fact. What do all this fact add up to along with now more and more information being uncovered in just about every issue of Manga? Conclusion is SO6P Was an Uzumaki. Uzumaki are the parents of the Uchiha and the Senju.

You sir must be reading the wrong Manga.. The Sage's sons established clans. Not the Sage himself.