Rikudou Killer Bee vs DMS Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

Just take away 'Benjermin' and 'e' from your name and that sums up the consensus on your posts.

Bruh. Name calling gets you nowhere. If you don't agree, Prove me wrong or stfu.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Just take away 'Benjermin' and 'e' from your name and that sums up the consensus on your posts.

Lmao. Kaaant. Stop.

 

[Rιver]

Bruh. Name calling gets you nowhere. If you don't agree, Prove me wrong or stfu.

Take it to Kaaant fam. It wasn't me.

 

[Rιver]

Bruh. Name calling gets you nowhere. If you don't agree, Prove me wrong or stfu.

Lmao this guy

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lmao this guy

So you're done. Discussion over. Next.

 

[RustledJimmies]

The gap between the weakest PS ever seen in this Manga by far (Sasuke's) and Hachibi is humongous first of all, let alone Madara's.

Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o's best feat is cutting a Shinju branch that's barely mountain sized. I'm pretty sure Hachibi's standard Bijuu Dama can vaporize a mountain. The gap between them is far from humongous

So Kakashi doesn't need an equal boost if he wants to shit on Hachibi.

He might not, but not because of the reasons you listed in the post I quoted previously.

Second of all the bold is literally based off of nothing considering the gap in power between Sasuke and Kakashi doesn't reflect "negligible" in any way,

Kamui is what shortens the gap between them, Kakashi's PS alone isn't enough to even pose a challenge to Sasuke's.

Despite his chakra being less in quantity than Naruto and Sasuke's, his PS still shows speed feats close enough to their level where I can confidently say that Hachibi stands no chance.

1- What would those speed feats be? Grabbing Sakura? Please don't bring that argument here.
2- Why would his PS being comparable in speed to Naruto and Sasuke's constructs matter? PS can't blitz Hachibi, especially when the latter also gets a speed boost of his own; And even if Kakashi's PS is faster, why would it matter when it still can't dodge a Bijuu Dama close to the power of the one Naruto used in VotE? PS can't dodge an AoE that huge.

Not to mention Kakashi's PS has abilities outside of raw power.

And they are irrelevant, considering I'm replying to your "PS alone is enough to shit on Hachibi" point.

What you should be comparing is the strength of the chakra anyway, not the size of it.

What? Are you implying that just because both get Rikudo's chakra, they get the same boost? If so, then how is Rikudo stronger than Naruto and Sasuke individually? Obviously because he has twice their (Rikudo) Chakra.

And yes, Hagoromo's chakra is >>Madara's when it comes to strength, but enough for me to say Hachibi takes out Kakashi? No.

Well, considering that Hagoromo's chakra >>> Madara's, and the fact that Bee in this scenario has far more Rikudo Chakra than Kakashi has Madara's in this scenario, yes, it is enough to take out his PS. Inb4 "but normal PS>>>>>>> Hachibi", we have nothing that would even hint how strong Kakashi's PS would be without Rikudo chakra (it's likely that he wouldn't even have it), Kakashi's "normal" PS being > Hachibi is nothing but a baseless assumption.

Hachibi's Bijuu Dama would be only half of what Naruto can pull of at VoTE at the most.

I'm pretty sure Naruto used a standard Bijuu Dama, and I'm also pretty sure all Bijuu have shown that standard Bijuu Dama is equal for all of them. So Bee's Bijuu Dama will likely be equal, or at the very least close to Naruto's.

Please tell me how he's breaking through Perfect Susanoo with his Bijuu Dama when RSM Naruto wouldn't be able to fodderize Kakashi's Susanoo with a single Bijuu Dama.

I'm pretty sure RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama would deal heavy damage to Kakashi Susano'o, if not outright destroy it, considering Sasuke's far superior PS took moderate damage. Even if Hachibi's Bijuu Dama isn't exactly equal to Naruto's, it would deal at least as much damage to Kakashi's PS as Naruto dealt to Sasuke's. Which means continuously using Bijuu Dama on his PS would eventually break it.

Even if you want to give Hachibi feats only Kurama has and say that he can supercharge his Bijuu Dama,

Wasn't intending to.

Kamui Shuriken would still warp it away.

I'm replying to your argument that PS alone would be enough to take out Hachibi, because "normal PS > Hachibi". Kamui Shuriken has no business here.

Then PS hits him over and over again till he falls.

-No feats from his PS that would allow him to take out Rikudo Hachibi.
-Hachibi retaliates with Bijuu Dama and obliterates Kakashi.

PS and it's weapons are all Kakashi needs to spank B here.

Nope, at least not for the reasons you just gave me.

 

[Demonic.]

Surprised Kakashi fappers aren't calling a headsnipe at the start tbh.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o's best feat is cutting a Shinju branch that's barely mountain sized. I'm pretty sure Hachibi's standard Bijuu Dama can vaporize a mountain. The gap between them is far from humongous

If only the gap in firepower had anything to do with the actual gap in fighting prowess. If that was how we judged this then I'd be saying that the gap between Madara's PS and Hachibi isn't large either.


Who wins in a fight and with how much diff? Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo or Hachibi? I'll answer. Sasuke with ease.

Kamui is what shortens the gap between them, Kakashi's PS alone isn't enough to even pose a challenge to Sasuke's.

Based on what? Cause this is either downplay or wank. Can Sasuke beat Kakashi? Yes. Comfortably without Kamui, but not to the point where Susanoo wouldn't give him a challenge, especially when his strongest attack only equals a regular Bijuu Dama from RSM Naruto. :lol

1- What would those speed feats be? Grabbing Sakura? Please don't bring that argument here.

Can we not do the downplay this early in the discussion? You mean coming from nowhere and outspeeding the same chakra arms that Naruto and Sasuke themselves were having trouble dealing with when they were a few feet from Sakura? Yes. That is a speed feat. Then there's the fact that he did that before Sasuke could use Ameno. (And no, I'm not saying that Susanoo's movement speed>Ameno's teleporting speed or Sasuke's reaction speed in case that is what you were going to reply with) A massive one at that. This reply either shows me that you are ignoring what happened in the Manga or that you didn't read what happened in the Manga.

2- Why would his PS being comparable in speed to Naruto and Sasuke's constructs matter? PS can't blitz Hachibi, especially when the latter also gets a speed boost of his own; And even if Kakashi's PS is faster, why would it matter when it still can't dodge a Bijuu Dama close to the power of the one Naruto used in VotE? PS can't dodge an AoE that huge.

Point obviously flew over your head. None of this is relevant, not to mention I never said it's comparable. If Kakashi's PS is that close in one physical aspect to Sasuke's Susanoo, then the rest of the physical abilities would follow suit in the same exact way.

And what? Lol. RSM Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama>>Hachibi's standard Bijuu Dama w/ half of Hagoromo's chakra. B's standard BD is not over 2x smaller than RSM Naruto's standard BD due to the sheer gap in size between them (and no Hachibi won't grow to match Naruto's Avatar in size if that was what you are thinking, that line of thinking is baseless) Thus it will be over 2x weaker, and Naruto's BD alone isn't enough to wreck Kakashi's PS let alone something 2x weaker.

What? Are you implying that just because both get Rikudo's chakra, they get the same boost? If so, then how is Rikudo stronger than Naruto and Sasuke individually? Obviously because he has twice their (Rikudo) Chakra.

Never once said that. What's worse is that I said the opposite so why are you even asking me this question? And no, Hagoromo is not stronger than Naruto and Sasuke solely because he has 2x the amount of chakra they do, it's because he has the same strength chakra as them and he has the abilities that he gave them on top of others.

But I'll agree that amount plays a part in it.

Well, considering that Hagoromo's chakra >>> Madara's, and the fact that Bee in this scenario has far more Rikudo Chakra than Kakashi has Madara's in this scenario, yes, it is enough to take out his PS. Inb4 "but normal>>>>>> PS > Hachibi", we have nothing that would even hint how strong Kakashi's PS would be without Rikudo chakra (it's likely that he wouldn't even have it), Kakashi's "normal" PS being > Hachibi is nothing but a baseless assumption.

It's hilarious how you are talking about baseless assumptions when your whole argument is a baseless assumption. and mine lacks a lot of proof, but actually has some kind of comparison to back the point. You are only saying: Far superior chakra, far superior PS, thus Naruto's standard BD one shots Kakashi's Susanoo. You've given no attempt to quantify the gap between Kakashi's PS and Sasuke's PS and the chakra they received to back up your claims.

Whether or not he'd have it is irrelevant to the point. All you have to do is compare the strength of Obito and Kakashi's chakra merged together, to Sasuke's chakra. Unless you think that Obito's chakra is so much weaker than Sasuke's that his PS would be fodder in comparison, a normal PS used by these two is still above the Hachibi.

I'm pretty sure Naruto used a standard Bijuu Dama, and I'm also pretty sure all Bijuu have shown that standard Bijuu Dama is equal for all of them. So Bee's Bijuu Dama will likely be equal, or at the very least close to Naruto's.

Explained above.

I'm pretty sure RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama would deal heavy damage to Kakashi Susano'o, if not outright destroy it, considering Sasuke's far superior PS took moderate damage. Even if Hachibi's Bijuu Dama isn't exactly equal to Naruto's, it would deal at least as much damage to Kakashi's PS as Naruto dealt to Sasuke's. Which means continously using Bijuu Dama on his PS would eventually break it.

Lmao. You can't be serious. How exactly did you come to this conclusion?

-You can't quantify the gap between Sasuke's PS and Kakashi's PS to prove that Kakashi's PS would be obliterated by an attack that can barely do any damage to Sasuke's PS. On the other hand, speed comparisons shows that the gap is not over 3x, thus something that can barely hurt Sasuke's PS isn't going to obliterate Kakashi's.

-Sasuke's PS took damage from the combination of it's attack and Naruto's attack, which were equal. That's a standard BD x2, which is already 4x stronger than Killer B's Bijuu Dama as explained above. So how is Killer B's Bijuu Dama going to one shot Kakashi's Susanoo?

-Not to mention Bijuu Dama isn't as fast as Kaguya's chakra arms, as long as the distance isn't too close, Kakashi would just outright evade a standard Bijuu Dama and retaliate with his attacks. Now, tell me how Hachibi survives PS's onslaught when:

-Madara was about to kill him with a V3 Susanoo blade.
-Gobi can pierce him.
-His tentacles can be cut by Chidori and Shuriken.

Scale that up with the Rikudo Boost and all those attacks are still inferior to what Kakashi can do with his PS. Combine that with the fact that his strongest attack, Bijuu Dama, isn't going to obliterate Kakashi the moment it's used, Kakashi easily closes the gap and embarrasses him in close combat.

You can restrict anything related to Kamui and Kakashi still wins.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Surprised Kakashi fappers aren't calling a headsnipe at the start tbh.

Kakashi sends Bees brain to another dimension

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[Lariatoo]

Kakashi dies a horrible death. And I love fish sticks

You gay fish.

 

[RustledJimmies]

If only the gap in firepower had anything to do with the actual gap in fighting prowess. If that was how we judged this then I'd be saying that the gap between Madara's PS and Hachibi isn't large either.


Who wins in a fight and with how much diff? Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo or Hachibi? I'll answer. Sasuke with ease.

True, but that still doesn't make the difference between Hachibi and Sasuke's PS humongous. In a fight, does Sasuke dominate? Sure, is his PS overall that much stronger than Hachibi? Obviously not.

Based on what? Cause this is either downplay or wank. Can Sasuke beat Kakashi? Yes. Comfortably without Kamui, but not to the point where Susanoo wouldn't give him a challenge, especially when his strongest attack only equals a regular Bijuu Dama from RSM Naruto.

It's neither, Kakashi's PS has zero feats that would allow it to compete with Sasuke's, portrayal and the fact that Sasuke has half of Rikudo's chakra, whilst Kakashi has a piece about as big as the tip of my toe nail should tell you that much.

And RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama would shit all over Kakashi's PS, your point is nowhere to be seen.

Can we not do the downplay this early in the discussion?

Not downplaying, just saying what it is.

You mean coming from nowhere and outspeeding the same chakra arms that Naruto and Sasuke themselves were having trouble dealing with when they were a few feet from Sakura? Yes.

Having trouble? They didn't even try to dodge, as Naruto's clone pushed them away before the arm could get close enough

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that's hardly having trouble to dodge, all they did was note it was fast, unless you're trying to tell me that Naruto's clone has better reactions than the original Naruto and Sasuke.

Then there's the fact that he did that before Sasuke could use Ameno. (And no, I'm not saying that Susanoo's movement speed>Ameno's teleporting speed or Sasuke's reaction speed in case that is what you were going to reply with

What is the point of mentioning the bold if you're not trying to imply the underlined?

Point obviously flew over your head. None of this is relevant, not to mention I never said it's comparable. If Kakashi's PS is that close in one physical aspect to Sasuke's Susanoo, then the rest of the physical abilities would follow suit in the same exact way.

It did, as you didn't clarify in your previous post.

And what? Lol. RSM Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama>>Hachibi's standard Bijuu Dama w/ half of Hagoromo's chakra. B's standard BD is not over 2x smaller than RSM Naruto's standard BD due to the sheer gap in size between them (and no Hachibi won't grow to match Naruto's Avatar in size if that was what you are thinking, that line of thinking is baseless) Thus it will be over 2x weaker, and Naruto's BD alone isn't enough to wreck Kakashi's PS let alone something 2x weaker.

You definitely have a point with Hachibi's Bijuu Dama not being as strong, but that doesn't change the fact that the gap between Sasuke and Kakashi's PS isn't anywhere near as narrow as 2x. And RSM Bijuu Dama being able to destroy Kakashi's PS will be clarified later on in my post.

P.S.: I initially missed this paragraph of your post, and since I only realized it was there when I was countering your later points, I have said some things that go against my agreement with this point, so just ignore anything that implies that Bee's Bijuu Dama = RSM Naruto's.

Never once said that. What's worse is that I said the opposite so why are you even asking me this question? And no, Hagoromo is not stronger than Naruto and Sasuke solely because he has 2x the amount of chakra they do, it's because he has the same strength chakra as them and he has the abilities that he gave them on top of others.

But I'll agree that amount plays a part in it.

How is it the opposite? You said that I should take into account chakra strength rather than amount, Hagoromo has the same chakra as them, the fact that he has twice their chakra is obviously the main reason he wins against them individually.

@Bold: concession accepted.

[It's hilarious how you are talking about baseless assumptions when your whole argument is a baseless assumption. and mine lacks a lot of proof, but actually has some kind of comparison to back the point. You are only saying: Far superior chakra, far superior PS, thus Naruto's standard BD one shots Kakashi's Susanoo. You've given no attempt to quantify the gap between Kakashi's PS and Sasuke's PS and the chakra they received to back up your claims.

What the hell? Bee receives the same amount of Rikudo's chakra as Naruto here, Naruto's Bijuu Dama caused moderate damage to Sasuke's PS, Sasuke has half of Rikudo's chakra, Kakashi has a small piece of Madara's chakra, therefore Kakashi's PS takes a lot more damage than Sasuke's did, and considering the gap, it's likely that it gets destroyed. Like I said, Killer Bee receives the same amount of chakra Naruto did, and since standard Bijuu Dama was equal before, it will still be equal now, therefore, Kakashi's PS gets obliterated or gets heavily damaged at the very least.

Whether or not he'd have it is irrelevant to the point.

Never said it is relevant, I was just saying that if he had it for the argument's sake, there's no proof of how strong it would be. But after reading that you said after this, I can agree that it's somewhere between Sasuke and Madara's PS. however that still isn't enough to make up for the wide gap of Rikudo's Chakra between them.

-You can't quantify the gap between Sasuke's PS and Kakashi's PS to prove that Kakashi's PS would be obliterated by an attack that can barely do any damage to Sasuke's PS.

>a chunk of PS's wing, half of its face, one whole arm get destroyed.
>barely any damage.

On the other hand, speed comparisons shows that the gap is not over 3x, thus something that can barely hurt Sasuke's PS isn't going to obliterate Kakashi's.

Speed comparisons? All we've seen from Kakashi was grabbing Sakura before a chakra arm hit her, Sasuke flew high up in the sky in a split second. I'm sorry, but your speed comparison doesn't even begin to prove anything.

-Sasuke's PS took damage from the combination of it's attack and Naruto's attack, which were equal.

Sasuke wasn't affected by Chidori, as Chidori doesn't explode (or at least it didn't here), therefore it didn't contribute to the explosion, this is further evidenced when there was no hint of lightning in the explosion

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so no, Sasuke didn't take something 4x stronger than Bee's Bijuu Dama.

-Not to mention Bijuu Dama isn't as fast as Kaguya's chakra arms, as long as the distance isn't too close, Kakashi would just outright evade a standard Bijuu Dama and retaliate with his attacks.

What? So Sakura can evade Bijuu Dama for some time now? And lol, even if that was the case, Bee can simply fire to the ground where Kakashi would be caught in the AoE.

-Madara was about to kill him with a V3 Susanoo blade.

Hurt him? Sure, kill him? Not sure about that. Not that it matters since Bee gets a much larger amount of Rikudo Chakra than Kakashi, if they received the same amount, then V3 blade would translate to PS being able to skewer him.

-Gobi can pierce him.

Superficially.

-His tentacles can be cut by Chidori and Shuriken.

Ok.

Bijuu Dama, isn't going to obliterate Kakashi the moment it's used, Kakashi easily closes the gap and embarrasses him in close combat.

It doesn't obliterate him completely, but since you said yourself that Kakashi is around three times weaker than Sasuke, while Bee's Bijuu Dama is 2x weaker than Naruto's, then Bee should be able to deal to Kakashi at least as much damage as RSM Naruto did to Sasuke.

If PS comes close, it gets a Bijuu Dama laser to the face.

Reply to this post if you wish, this will be my final post, I don't really have the patience to continuously write walls of text anymore.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

True, but that still doesn't make the difference between Hachibi and Sasuke's PS humongous. In a fight, does Sasuke dominate? Sure, is his PS overall that much stronger than Hachibi? Obviously not.

But guess what this scenario refers to?

A. Fight.

So once again you do not have a point here.

It's neither, Kakashi's PS has zero feats that would allow it to compete with Sasuke's, portrayal and the fact that Sasuke has half of Rikudo's chakra, whilst Kakashi has a piece about as big as the tip of my toe nail should tell you that much.

Good thing I never claimed such. Good thing you pretty much didn't answer the question.

And RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama would shit all over Kakashi's PS, your point is nowhere to be seen.

Based on?

Not downplaying, just saying what it is.

Except evading Kaguya's chakra arm, or rather massively outspeeding it=/=Just grabbing Sakura.

Having trouble? They didn't even try to dodge, as Naruto's clone pushed them away before the arm could get close enough

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that's hardly having trouble to dodge, all they did was note it was fast, unless you're trying to tell me that Naruto's clone has better reactions than the original Naruto and Sasuke.

That obviously isn't what happened. The chakra arm came at them, instead of evading Naruto pushed his clone in the way and pushed Sasuke to the side. If evading it was no trouble, Naruto wouldn't have had to use a screen to block the hand from getting him, and if it was no trouble, he wouldn't have said:

"Too damn fast".

What is the point of mentioning the bold if you're not trying to imply the underlined?

It's to show that it's a good feat.

You definitely have a point with Hachibi's Bijuu Dama not being as strong, but that doesn't change the fact that the gap between Sasuke and Kakashi's PS isn't anywhere near as narrow as 2x. And RSM Bijuu Dama being able to destroy Kakashi's PS will be clarified later on in my post.

Which is based on what again?

P.S.: I initially missed this paragraph of your post, and since I only realized it was there when I was countering your later points, I have said some things that go against my agreement with this point, so just ignore anything that implies that Bee's Bijuu Dama = RSM Naruto's.

Right on.

What the hell? Bee receives the same amount of Rikudo's chakra as Naruto here, Naruto's Bijuu Dama caused moderate damage to Sasuke's PS, Sasuke has half of Rikudo's chakra, Kakashi has a small piece of Madara's chakra, therefore Kakashi's PS takes a lot more damage than Sasuke's did, and considering the gap, it's likely that it gets destroyed. Like I said, Killer Bee receives the same amount of chakra Naruto did, and since standard Bijuu Dama was equal before, it will still be equal now, therefore, Kakashi's PS gets obliterated or gets heavily damaged at the very least.

Still waiting for evidence of this.

Never said it is relevant, I was just saying that if he had it for the argument's sake, there's no proof of how strong it would be. But after reading that you said after this, I can agree that it's somewhere between Sasuke and Madara's PS. however that still isn't enough to make up for the wide gap of Rikudo's Chakra between them.

If you were to compare their firepower side by side, sure. If you were to look at them in an actual fight, then no.

>a chunk of PS's wing, half of its face, one whole arm get destroyed.
>barely any damage.

>Taking an explosion that is basically 2x Bijuu Dama.
>Attributing it to 1 Bijuu Dama alone.

Speed comparisons? All we've seen from Kakashi was grabbing Sakura before a chakra arm hit her, Sasuke flew high up in the sky in a split second. I'm sorry, but your speed comparison doesn't even begin to prove anything.

Sasuke's Susanoo and Naruto's Avatar have no speed feats that are massively above the level of Kakashi's Susanoo, thus I have no reason to believe that the gap between their Avatars is anywhere near as large as you claim it is. What's hilarious is that you downplay Kakashi's feat by saying "before a chakra arm hit her" while ignoring the speed of it, and you post Sasuke flying high into the sky as if it is a feat that dumps on Kakashi's. Lol.

Sasuke wasn't affected by Chidori, as Chidori doesn't explode (or at least it didn't here), therefore it didn't contribute to the explosion, this is further evidenced when there was no hint of lightning in the explosion

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so no, Sasuke didn't take something 4x stronger than Bee's Bijuu Dama.

Nope. Wrong. That clash is exactly the same as:

-Indra's Arrow vs Naruto's final attack
-Chidori vs. Rasengan.
-Chidori Senbon.

No lightning being shown in the attack is irrelevant. Are you going to claim that the explosion of Naruto and Sasuke's final attacks comprised only of Naruto's power? Are you going to tell me that all Rasengan and Chidori clash explosions were Rasengan's power only when Rasengan on it's own doesn't have feats that even begin to compare? I hope not.

What? So Sakura can evade Bijuu Dama for some time now? And lol, even if that was the case, Bee can simply fire to the ground where Kakashi would be caught in the AoE.

Terrible comparison considering Sakura isn't faster than Kaguya's chakra arms and it had to be over 100m away for her to even react in the first place. I commend the effort though.

Even if he does that, the farther from the actual explosion he gets, the less damage he'll take.

Hurt him? Sure, kill him? Not sure about that. Not that it matters since Bee gets a much larger amount of Rikudo Chakra than Kakashi, if they received the same amount, then V3 blade would translate to PS being able to skewer him.

Unless a V3 Susanoo w/o a full body powered by half of Hagoromo's chakra is stronger than Kakashi's PS, it doesn't matter. And considering Sasuke's V3 Susanoo's best feat at VoTE is matching the Gudo Dama's explosion with it's arrows, I'm gonna go ahead and say that

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Superficially.

If it's enough to cause him to yell out in pain, I wouldn't call it a superficial injury.

It doesn't obliterate him completely, but since you said yourself that Kakashi is around three times weaker than Sasuke, while Bee's Bijuu Dama is 2x weaker than Naruto's, then Bee should be able to deal to Kakashi at least as much damage as RSM Naruto did to Sasuke.

Then B stands no chance.

1. It's actually 4x.
2. Even if were 2x, B will be critically injured far more than Kakashi's Susanoo will from B's Bijuu Dama.

If PS comes close, it gets a Bijuu Dama laser to the face.

Well, considering the laser is even weaker than the ball, Kakashi's Susanoo guards with it's wings and then obliterates B with a few sword slashes.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Lol why are you addressing Bee's Bijuu Dama being equal to RSM Naruto's points when I told ya to ignore them previously?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Lol why are you addressing Bee's Bijuu Dama being equal to RSM Naruto's points when I told ya to ignore them previously?

I didn't .-.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I didn't .-.

Lol my bad, I skimmed through that post and saw some "2x" thing and immediately thought you were addressing them.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmao. B obviously does not win. Getting Naruto's power means nothing here because Naruto before the power ups is 2-3 tiers above the likes of Killer B. His Bijuu Mode becomes larger, more durable, and the power of his Bijuu Dama becomes only half what Naruto and Sasuke did at VoTE with their first BD-Chidori clash. That's not enough to even seriously damage Kakashi's Susanoo.

-In Bijuu Mode he becomes a large target for Kamui, and Kamui Shuriken especially.
-Standard BD is tanked with some damage.
-Renzoku Bijuu Dama is tanked with some more damage than standard, but nothing serious. Or the balls are warped by Kamui Shuriken.
-Perfect Susanoo still makes short work of the Hachibi. If a normal PS can shit stomp Hachibi (which it can) then a Rikudo PS would shit stomp Rikudo Hachibi. He will be nowhere near Naruto's power so he will never tank Kakashi's attacks.

Once Bijuu Mode is finished, Kakashi obliterates him with Susanoo.



Terrible terrible logic. Strength is comprised out of all abilities, not just chakra. Obito's chakra>>DMS Kakashi's since DMS Kakashi is only using a piece of a Juubi Jin's chakra, yet DMS Kakashi is around Obito's level and would beat him handily in combat. B having half of Hagoromo's power matters naught because even with it, a Perfect Susanoo used by someone with only a portion of JJ Madara's Rikudo Chakra is enough to beat him, with nothing more than moderate difficulty to say the least.

And no, it doesn't go either way, B gets wrecked.

Don't usually agree with you but this time your absolutely correct.

Hagoromo buffed Bee would only get a speed buff and Destructive capability buff which isn't going to help him here. Ps shurikens ruins Hachibi as he's still nearly un-mobile. Ps proceeds to clown his ass.​

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Does Bee have a counter to Kamui? If he doesn't Kakashi wins this

 

[TRE MERCER]

Does Bee have a counter to Kamui? If he doesn't Kakashi wins this

He doesn't...​

 

[Kagustuchi]

obito had onmyuton staff after juubi was removed from him and he still couldn't fly.

That was definitely Madara's that he took from him.

my point is the chakra everyone recieved whether it be from Harogomo, juubi, kaguya, Madara, obito.... its all the same, they all share the same title. Rikudo chakra. DIFFERENT AMOUNTS, but Same shit.

And once again, your just failing to grasp what Im saying to you. Rikudo's Senjutsu is what allows flight and Onmyoton, having SM is not a requirement to use the aforementioned abilities either. Quit thinking im talking about his literal Chakra, I can find scans that specifically referring to what im talking about if you string this out anymore.

@KG

I don't really see Sasuke's PS as being all that far ahead of the Hachibi if at all. Hachibi has big lead in DC while Sasuke's PS likely more durable (disputable when it comes to raw damage) and a little faster in movement speed.

 

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@KG

I don't really see Sasuke's PS as being all that far ahead of the Hachibi if at all. Hachibi has big lead in DC while Sasuke's PS likely more durable (disputable when it comes to raw damage) and a little faster in movement speed.

When comparing their stats, yeah. In a fight? No.

A little faster in movement speed? Pretty sure that BM Kurama moves much faster than Hachibi does, and Sasuke's PS equals BM Kurama in that area. Sasuke has the lead in durability by far considering he gets moderately injured at least by his BD while Sasuke's PS and Naruto's Avatar can be in the explosion of PS Chidori and a Bijuu Dama the size of Full Kurama's and only come out with damage to the arm, wing, and face.