Rikudou Killer Bee vs DMS Kakashi

[BenjerminGaye]

The mode grants flight.

Also, why do people insist on him using BM? He should get RSM just like Naruto did.

Rsm grants flight. Killer be dosen't even have sage mode so why would he get RIKUDO(the multipler) sage mode(somthing naruto already had)?


See what I'm talking about?

 

[Kagustuchi]

Rsm grants flight. Killer be dosen't even have sage mode so why would he get RIKUDO(the multipler) sage mode(somthing naruto already had)?


See what I'm talking about?

Obito didn't have Sage Mode yet he got the Rikudo's Senjutsu and was capable of flight.

(If that's what you guys were talking about)

 

[Rιver]

Also if Ashura also got RSM why not B here since he gets same buff as Naruto? I like men

 

[Kagustuchi]

Also if Ashura also got RSM why not B here since he gets same buff as Naruto?

Ashura probably had a super potent chakra like Hagoromo's that acted as Senjutsu without the need of gathering nature energy.

If anything this is a Bee with a similar speed/strength/chakra potency boost to Naruto's and can fly as well. Although I have my own theory on the full buff that Naruto and Sasuke got, but Half of Hago's chakra is easily enough for him to take out Kakashi who only has a touch of JJ Madara's chakra and a little of Rikudo Naruto's (when he tried to revive Obito he kept pumping chakra into him repeatedly). Even if it's not quite the boost Naruto got (which again goes back to my theory)

 

[Rιver]

Ashura probably had a super potent chakra like Hagoromo's that acted as Senjutsu without the need of gathering nature energy.

If anything this is a Bee with a similar speed/strength/chakra potency boost to Naruto's and can fly as well. Although I have my own theory on the full buff that Naruto and Sasuke got, but Half of Hago's chakra is easily enough for him to take out Kakashi who only has a touch of JJ Madara's chakra and a little of Rikudo Naruto's (when he tried to revive Obito he kept pumping chakra into him repeatedly)

But since B gets the chakra that Hagoromo had, shouldn't he also get the potent chakra and Senjutsu? And the dig bick obviously

 

[Kagustuchi]

But since B gets the chakra that Hagoromo had, shouldn't he also get the potent chakra and Senjutsu?

Yea, just no Sage Mode benifits like sensing. His chakra would still be on tier with Naruto and Sasuke after they got it, although a little weaker. (Kurama's being stronger than the Hachibi, and my theory on their Ashura and Indra chakra)

 

[Raykyryn]

Also if Ashura also got RSM why not B here since he gets same buff as Naruto?

Bee doesn't have the 9 bijus chakra nor the juubi's. He can't use RSM lol.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Obito didn't have Sage Mode yet he got the Rikudo's Senjutsu and was capable of flight.

(If that's what you guys were talking about)

He was a juubi jin. He gets flight via juubi since it's natural enegry. Which is essentially what sm is.

Sasuke can't fly even tho he has rikudo chakra, kakashi can't fly even tho he has rikudo chakra. Why? They don't have sage mode or they don't have all 9 beasts inside of them. It's 1 of the 2.

Why would killer be fly?

 

[Raykyryn]

He was a juubi jin. He gets flight via juubi since it's natural enegry. Which is essentially what sm is.

Sasuke can't fly even tho he has rikudo chakra, kakashi can't fly even tho he has rikudo chakra. Why? They don't have sage mode or they don't have all 9 beasts inside of them. It's 1 of the 2.

Why would killer be fly?

So Naruto could fly even without the presence of the 9 bijus? Im a bit confused now.

 

[Kagustuchi]

He was a juubi jin. He gets flight via juubi since it's natural enegry. Which is essentially what sm is.

Sasuke can't fly even tho he has rikudo chakra, kakashi can't fly even tho he has rikudo chakra. Why? They don't have sage mode or they don't have all 9 beasts inside of them. It's 1 of the 2.

Why would killer be fly?

It's an ability granted by Rikudo Senjutsu. As long as he gets the chakra that Hagoromo gave Naruto, then he can fly. As he gets Rikudo Senjutsu, that doesn't necessarily mean he has to have SM.

The Juubi's chakra was refered to as the power of The Sage of Six Paths and grants similar abilities. So him being a JJ doesn't really change anything. Especially when Hagoromo's chakra that comes directly from him acts as Senjutsu as well.

So Naruto could fly even without the presence of the 9 bijus? Im a bit confused now.

Naruto had a piece of all their chakra, but flight comes from having Hagoromo's Senjutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's an ability granted by Rikudo Senjutsu.

not true sasuke can't fly. Kakshi cat fly. Obito after getting the Juubi extracted but taking some of madara's rikudo chakra can't fly.

As long as he gets the chakra that Hagoromo gave Naruto, then he can fly. As he gets Rikudo Senjutsu, that doesn't necessarily mean he has to have SM.

that's bs as stated above.

The Juubi's chakra was refered to as the power of The Sage of Six Paths and grants similar abilities. So him being a JJ doesn't really change anything. Especially when Hagoromo's chakra that comes directly from him acts as Senjutsu as well.

it was an incorrect referral. Kaguya had these abilities( flight, tsb, etc)prior to haragomo yet her abilities wouldn't be referred to as haragomo/sixpath. He came after.

Naruto had a piece of all their chakra, but flight comes from having Hagoromo's Senjutsu.

inconclusive.

Since not all those that have Harogomo's chakra can fly.

So Naruto could fly even without the presence of the 9 bijus? Im a bit confused now.

It's either or. I'm not sure. But killer be lacks both therefore he isn't flying.

Does killer b have all 9 biju? No he only has one.

Does killer B have sagemode or a sage mode proxy (juubi) no.

So explain to me how he's gonna fly? Its clearly not rikudo chakra alone because sasuke/kakashi/and obito weren't flying despite having it.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

inconclusive.

Since not all those that have Harogomo's chakra can fly.

Naruto flies because he has Rikudo Sage Mode, and that has nothing to do with the Bijuu. Getting Hagoromo's chakra isn't the same as getting Rikudo Sage Mode, that's why they can't fly but Juubi Jins and Naruto can.

So he's right there.

 

[RustledJimmies]

If a normal PS can shit stomp Hachibi (which it can) then a Rikudo PS would shit stomp Rikudo Hachibi.

Based on what, exactly? Would normal PS shit on Hachibi? Sure. Would Rikudo PS shit on Rikudo Hachibi?Sure, if they got the same boost, which is clearly not the case, as Kakashi's Rikudo chakra is almost negligible when compared to Bee's half of Rikudo's chakra. Not saying Bee wins here, but Kakashi beating him with PS alone is pure nonsense.

 

[Raykyryn]

It's either or. I'm not sure. But killer be lacks both therefore he isn't flying.

Does killer b have all 9 biju? No he only has one.

Does killer B have sagemode or a sage mode proxy (juubi) no.

So explain to me how he's gonna fly? Its clearly not rikudo chakra alone because sasuke/kakashi/and obito weren't flying despite having it.

Well the chakra Obito received (and transmited to Kakashi) was senjutsu chakra of the juubi's but he didn't possess the juubi nor the 9 beasts inside and he couldn't fly. So i think one needs both the senjutsu chakra and the beasts/juubi to gain the ability of flight.
Nonetheless Bee has neither lol.

 

[BlacLord™]

Kakashi wins quite easily.

Killer Bee's best feats are in his kenjutsu style... he really struggles to compete with anything on a large scale. His Bijuu Mode is as weak as dishwater I'm afraid and it's also slow and vulnerable.

A well-timed Kamui Shuriken to the head and the fight is over.

 

[Kagustuchi]

not true sasuke can't fly. Kakshi cat fly. Obito after getting the Juubi extracted but taking some of madara's rikudo chakra can't fly.

Sasuke and Kakashi don't have Onmyoton (Which was refered to as Rikudo's Senjutsu twice) . Naruto and Obito can fly because they got this power, Obito not being able to fly after having the Juubi extracted further proves this point.

it was an incorrect referral. Kaguya had these abilities( flight, tsb, etc)prior to haragomo yet her abilities wouldn't be referred to as haragomo/sixpath. He came after.

And your point is? Hagoromo's chakra came directly from Kaguya.

Your probably confusing what I'm saying in all honesy. Sasuke/Kakashi got Hagoromo's chakra, which acts as Senjutsu. They didn't get "The Rikudo Senjutsu" in the Sense that JJ Obito and Naruto did.

If Bee gets the same chakra pool that Naruto did then he can fly. If he just gets anything else then the boost is more akin to Kakashi but a lot bigger.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Based on what, exactly? Would normal PS shit on Hachibi? Sure. Would Rikudo PS shit on Rikudo Hachibi?Sure, if they got the same boost, which is clearly not the case, as Kakashi's Rikudo chakra is almost negligible when compared to Bee's half of Rikudo's chakra. Not saying Bee wins here, but Kakashi beating him with PS alone is pure nonsense.

The gap between the weakest PS ever seen in this Manga by far (Sasuke's) and Hachibi is humongous first of all, let alone Madara's.

So Kakashi doesn't need an equal boost if he wants to shit on Hachibi. Not even close. Second of all the bold is literally based off of nothing considering the gap in power between Sasuke and Kakashi doesn't reflect "negligible" in any way, shape or form. Despite his chakra being less in quantity than Naruto and Sasuke's, his PS still shows speed feats close enough to their level where I can confidently say that Hachibi stands no chance. Not to mention Kakashi's PS has abilities outside of raw power. What you should be comparing is the strength of the chakra anyway, not the size of it. And yes, Hagoromo's chakra is >>Madara's when it comes to strength, but enough for me to say Hachibi takes out Kakashi? No.

Hachibi's Bijuu Dama would be only half of what Naruto can pull of at VoTE at the most. Please tell me how he's breaking through Perfect Susanoo with his Bijuu Dama when RSM Naruto wouldn't be able to fodderize Kakashi's Susanoo with a single Bijuu Dama. Even if you want to give Hachibi feats only Kurama has and say that he can supercharge his Bijuu Dama, Kamui Shuriken would still warp it away. Then PS hits him over and over again till he falls.

PS and it's weapons are all Kakashi needs to spank B here.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Rikudou Senjutsu Killer Bee isn't threatening DMS Kakashi in the slightest. He low diffs or stomps

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Sasuke and Kakashi don't have Onmyoton (Which was refered to as Rikudo's Senjutsu twice) . Naruto and Obito can fly because they got this power, Obito not being able to fly after having the Juubi extracted further proves this point.

obito had onmyuton staff after juubi was removed from him and he still couldn't fly.

And your point is? Hagoromo's chakra came directly from Kaguya.

my point is the chakra everyone recieved whether it be from Harogomo, juubi, kaguya, Madara, obito.... its all the same, they all share the same title. Rikudo chakra. DIFFERENT AMOUNTS, but Same shit.

Your probably confusing what I'm saying in all honesy. Sasuke/Kakashi got Hagoromo's chakra, which acts as Senjutsu. They didn't get "The Rikudo Senjutsu" in the Sense that JJ Obito and Naruto did.

They all got the same thing. The only difference is group (a)can apply senjutsu to it because they have sage mode(naruto) or juubi (kaguya, jj obito, Harogomo, madara) and group b can't(sasuke, kakashi, obito after extraction)

If Bee gets the same chakra pool that Naruto did then he can fly. If he just gets anything else then the boost is more akin to Kakashi but a lot bigger.

bruh naruto and sasuke got the same thing. What they can do with it is different(one has sm one doesn't) but it's the same chakra.

 

[Rιver]

Just take away 'Benjermin' and 'e' from your name and that sums up the consensus on your posts.