Someone just said Rikudou chakra itself is Senjutsu? Thar not right.
Rikudou chakra is Yin+Yang+basic elements. Thats the chakra Hagoromo and Hamura have in base.
If Rikudou chakra is Senjutsu, Rinn Tensei Madara with one Rinnegan+Hashi SM should have/can produce TSB. Its a fact when you possess Rikudou Senjutsu you can create TSB and fly like Hago and JJ.
For Sasuke he has Senjutsu chakra he received from Hagoromo powerup. But he couldnt manipulate it to become RSM naturally because he never have perfect SM. He just utilize it until the Senjutsu chakra run down. Similar to Rinn Tensei Madara
Edit: Why people used Hiden here for proof? Does this Novel canon or Kishi own words?
Someone just said Rikudou chakra itself is Senjutsu? Thar not right.
Rikudou chakra is Yin+Yang+basic elements. Thats the chakra Hagoromo and Hamura have in base.
If Rikudou chakra is Senjutsu, Rinn Tensei Madara with one Rinnegan+Hashi SM should have/can produce TSB. Its a fact when you possess Rikudou Senjutsu you can create TSB and fly like Hago and JJ.
For Sasuke he has Senjutsu chakra he received from Hagoromo powerup. But he couldnt manipulate it to become RSM naturally because he never have perfect SM. He just utilize it until the Senjutsu chakra run down. Similar to Rinn Tensei Madara
Edit: Why people used Hiden here for proof? Does this Novel canon or Kishi own words?
now i am wondering why is naruto rasangan never were black lol so wat you people say who ever have senjutsu there jutsu turned black
then the big q is who has Senjutsu mod lik naruto his jutsu never were turned black when he he use sage chakra then that meen naruto dont have sejutsu cuz his jutsu never turned black as your logic
All Hagoromo did was awaken what already was their in their DNA. After all Naruto and Sasuke are Hagoromo descendants just as Hinata is Hamura’s descendant.
Either having Rikudou Chakra or Rikudou Senjutsu doesn't cause you to have Rikudou Sage Mode. Rikudou Senjutsu is the marking shown on the back of the Sage (Madara, Obito, Naruto, Hagoromo etc) and what grants TSBs and the other visual features. It doesn't generate solely by having Rikudou Chakra, but by being a JJ (Rikudou Juubi Coffin Seal) or entering SM with your Rikudou Chakra (Rikudou Sage Mode).
Rikudou Chakra is simply Otsutsuki Chakra already balanced with NE (like Juugo's in the CM case) gainining Senjutsu properties. How the hell can Sasuke touch TSBs and Madara? Kaguya beat Hagoromo (Onmyoudon user)? Naruto enter modes in istants? Because it's Senjutsu Chakra already. It comes from the Shinju, the "walking" NE monster. How could it not be related to Senjutsu?
Either having Rikudou Chakra or Rikudou Senjutsu doesn't cause you to have Rikudou Sage Mode. Rikudou Senjutsu is the marking shown on the back of the Sage (Madara, Obito, Naruto, Hagoromo etc) and what grants TSBs and the other visual features. It doesn't generate solely by having Rikudou Chakra, but by being a JJ (Rikudou Juubi Coffin Seal) or entering SM with your Rikudou Chakra (Rikudou Sage Mode).
Rikudou Chakra is simply Otsutsuki Chakra already balanced with NE (like Juugo's in the CM case) gainining Senjutsu properties. How the hell can Sasuke touch TSBs and Madara? Kaguya beat Hagoromo (Onmyoudon user)? Naruto enter modes in istants? Because it's Senjutsu Chakra already. It comes from the Shinju, the "walking" NE monster. How could it not be related to Senjutsu?
Sasuke maybe received Sage senjutsu from his power up not just Yin power and Rinnegan. His body can accept Senjutsu as he already shows us many times. Just he couldnt obtained TSB bcus he not perfect Senjutsu user like Naruto. Same with Rinn Tensei SM one eye Rinnegan Madara. Madara have Senjutsu(Hashirama) and Six Path chakra(Senjutsu chakra as you called it)but why no TSB? Inside his body exist two type of Senjutsus.
Again Rinnegan Sasuke Uchiha having senjutsu not bcus Six Path chakra have Natural Senjutsu but Hago gave him his Senjutsu chakra like how Juugo shared his Senjutsu chakra with Sasuke through CM
Remember NE/Senjutsu chakra not a heredity. Kaguya have Senjutsu bcus she was special case.
Now yes, he does have Rikudou chakra, but the key thing here is that senjutsu makes senjutsu chakra. Sasuke was simply given the by-product, since he no longer has curse mark he can no longer sense,
nature Energy no but Preta Path absorbs senjutsu based attacks
Simply utilizing the chakra alone doesn't technically equate to having "senjutsu" anymore than using a tailed beast cloak Naruto gives you makes you a beast cloak user.
lmao and then Compares a living Entity[of chakra] to chakra :lol
To say that he has "senjutsu", like naruto, would mean that he can make his own senjutsu chakra, as that's what senjutsu is. Since he can not do this, he doesn't have senjutsu. He can only apply what he was given to his attacks
Either having Rikudou Chakra or Rikudou Senjutsu doesn't cause you to have Rikudou Sage Mode. Rikudou Senjutsu is the marking shown on the back of the Sage (Madara, Obito, Naruto, Hagoromo etc) and what grants TSBs and the other visual features. It doesn't generate solely by having Rikudou Chakra, but by being a JJ (Rikudou Juubi Coffin Seal) or entering SM with your Rikudou Chakra (Rikudou Sage Mode).
Rikudou Chakra is simply Otsutsuki Chakra already balanced with NE (like Juugo's in the CM case) gainining Senjutsu properties. How the hell can Sasuke touch TSBs and Madara? Kaguya beat Hagoromo (Onmyoudon user)? Naruto enter modes in istants? Because it's Senjutsu Chakra already. It comes from the Shinju, the "walking" NE monster. How could it not be related to Senjutsu?
People here believe Rikudou Chakra is the same as Rikudou Senjutsu, it's not. Allow me to explain plain and simple.
Rikudou Chakra is the result when you mix Indra and Ashura chakra. Rikudou Senjutsu is the result when you mix Indra and Ashura chakra along with natural energy.
Only Naruto has Rikudou Senjutsu(Rikudou Sage Mode), sasuke only possess Rikudou Chakra(Rinnegan). :Sparks:
@bold Rikodou chakra is not derived by Indra and Ashura's chakra. So you can't say "when you mix Indra and Ashura chakra". Actually, Indra and Ashura's chakra are constituents of Rikodou chakra which is something on its own.
Also note that while it's true that Naruto has Six Paths Senjutsu chakra and Sasuke just has Six Paths chakra, they both have different chakras. Naruto has the Six Paths Yang chakra which grants him RSM, whereas Sasuke has the Six Paths Yin chakra which comes along with the Rinnegan. And Six Paths Yin chakra = Six Paths Yang Senjutsu chakra (in power)
No, Rikudou Chakra isn't senjutsu. Rikudou Chakra is simply Hagoromo's chakra. If what you say were true then everyone with his chakra would possess Rikudou Sage Mode.
I think you misunderstood.
No one here is trying to say that Sasuke has RSM, but rather uses Senjutsu.
There is no way you can deny it not with your logic either, because it is common that
Black Chidori is the result of Senjutsu + Chidori.
And why on earth shouldn't Sasuke be able to hold Senjutsu?
He did in Part 1.
Madara noticed Naruto's Senjutsu Chakra because Naruto was in RSM,
all his abilities were increased to max.
Sasuke doesn't benefit from the Senjutsu he gained, as it is only meant to increase his attack.
Why did you go through all this trouble on a thread that was already over just to not make a counterargument?
@bold: Senjutsu is sage art, which is the act of sensing, absorbing, and blending nature energy from the outside, and combing that with your internal physical and internal spiritual energy to create senjutsu chakra. Senjutsu makes senjutsu chakra. Sage Mode is physical change that results from mixing the natural energy with your internal energy with enough balance that it doesn't completely overtake you.
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Senjutsu makes senjutsu chakra. And techniques that use chakra created from your internal physical and spiritual energy, and nature energy from the outside is senjutsu. Without those three components it isn't senjutsu.
Now what about Fukasaku's words confuses you exactly?
Yeah he can and this is VIZ
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nature Energy no but Preta Path absorbs senjutsu based attacks
Ahhh good find. As I said, I wasn't sure if Sasuke could sense nature energy. The viz makes it more clear, in the non-viz scans on this part of the manga it makes it seem as if Naruto is talking about his own nature energy.
But your preta path statement is irrelevant. You actually defeated your own attempt to grasp at straws with the bold. Now we're seeing who really doesn't understand the topic. Nature energy =/= Senjutsu chakra. Nature energy is nature energy. Senjutsu chakra is the result of mixing nature energy with your internal physical and spiritual energy. Absorbing an attack that has senjutsu chakra in it that has already been molded is not the same thing as absorbing nature energy directly and mixing your internal energy to mold senjutsu chakra.
Again, to my knowledge, Sasuke can not sense, absorb, and blend nature energy to make senjutsu chakra, which is what senjutsu is. If you can't make senjutsu chakra, you can't perfom senjutsu. That doesn't mean you can't use senjutsu chakra that was already molded and given to you or absorbed from someone's attack, but as with the tailed beast cloak reference (which I'll address your odd response in a minute), using chakra already molded and given to you is not the same thing as the art of molding the chakra yourself. Senjutsu is the art of molding the chakra, doesn't get any clearer than that
lmao and then Compares a living Entity[of chakra] to chakra :lol
You do realize that unless you can properly articulate a cohesive argument you can't make a logical point? Simply laughing and then making an irrelevant statement that does nothing to explain your stance isn't a counter .....see how dumb that was?
I used the chakra beast cloak reference because it was another example of someone using molded chakra given to them to enhance their atacks, or do you not remember the war?. Maybe instead I should've just used the Rasengan as my example, that might have suited your needs better eh? But the issue I felt was there was that the Rasengan was a specific attack where the beast cloak was was a source of chakra for the alliance that was adding chakra to their attacks. It more closely fit Sasuke's scenario with having pre-made Rikudou chakra at his disposal though I admit the shroud thing may make it bit more complicated to grasp for some people.
Again, I know it's popular on the base, but you never see anyone with anything of substance saying "too much bullshit to read". The only people that say that are those who have no point. You wouldn't know it was bullshit after all if you hadn't read it :| And you even took the time to bold a statement without being able to address it (something that members who know what they're talking do)
But nevertheless, the point was made. Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu, rikudou senjutsu, etc. He can only utilize the by-product of senjutsu chakra (I already explained the difference) that he is either given or absorbs. Unless you can actually counter that with fact, which you can't as I've already posted Fukasaku's detailed explanation of what senjutsu is, then your full of bullshit
And thus we get to what I'm guessing was supposed to be your point, but was really my point, so I don't know what persuaded you other than your love of Sasuke to post so much fail.
My point. I explained the difference and gave evidence which fits what I originally stated. Sasuke has Rikudou chakra, he doesn't have Rikudou senjutsu, or any senjutsu for that matter since he no longer has curse mark. So what about this goes against that statement? You used a quote that literally said the exact same thing I did. Fail
Either having Rikudou Chakra or Rikudou Senjutsu doesn't cause you to have Rikudou Sage Mode.
Rikudou Senjutsu is the marking shown on the back of the Sage (Madara, Obito, Naruto, Hagoromo etc) and what grants TSBs and the other visual features. It doesn't generate solely by having Rikudou Chakra, but by being a JJ (Rikudou Juubi Coffin Seal) or entering SM with your Rikudou Chakra (Rikudou Sage Mode).
Rikudou Chakra is simply Otsutsuki Chakra already balanced with NE (like Juugo's in the CM case) gainining Senjutsu properties. How the hell can Sasuke touch TSBs and Madara? Kaguya beat Hagoromo (Onmyoudon user)? Naruto enter modes in istants? Because it's Senjutsu Chakra already. It comes from the Shinju, the "walking" NE monster. How could it not be related to Senjutsu?
I even stated this earlier too in a different post I believe. Rikudou chakra seems to have similar components of senjutsu chakra. But again, senjutsu is the art of creating that chakra by bringing in nature energy from the outside to mold it. If you aren't doing that, you aren't performing senjutsu, you're just applying already molded chakra to your technique. If I'm doing a fire style jutsu, and then you give me senjutsu chakra to add to my attack, I'm not performing sage art, I'm just adding chakra to my attack! Similarly, using molded rikudou chakra doesn't not mean you're performing rikudou senjutsu. You were just given the chakra afterwards!
Now the last bold is probably where you got confused. You say "how can it not be related to senjutsu?" and figured you had a point. Which the answer to that question was in the very first sentence
"Rikudou Chakra /=/ Rikudou Senjutsu /=/ RSM"
They are related but that doesn't mean one is the same as the other
As far as the rest of his post, all chakra comes from the Shinju, not just nature energy. So I wont even bother with that. Think for yourself dude. Peace
For anyone else that comes along and tries to argue against OP, he's right. Fukasaku>any more opinions about what senjutsu is.
He clearly states that senjutsu aka hermit arts is when you blend your internal energy with nature energy coming from the outside to create senjutsu chakra. And techiques that do not come from your internal physical and spiritual energy and energy from nature is not considered senjutsu. Using chaka that was already molded and given to you is not the same thing as perfoming hermit arts
Rikudou chakra does seem to have similar capabilities of senjutsu chakra. But Sasuke doesn't blend his internal physical and spiritual energy with nature energy to mold and manipulate new chakra, which if done in balance is how Sage Mode is achieved.
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He is just using the pool of chakra placed in him by Hago. The hermit arts aka the senjutsu part of molding that chakra was already performed by Hago. Senjutsu=/=Senjutsu chakra. Rikudou senjutsu=/=Rikudou chakra.
I had no idea so many people were this stubborn on this topic
But your preta path statement is irrelevant. You actually defeated your own attempt to grasp at straws with the bold. Now we're seeing who really doesn't understand the topic.
You do realize that unless you can properly articulate a cohesive argument you can't make a logical point? Simply laughing and then making an irrelevant statement that does nothing to explain your stance isn't a counter .....see how dumb that was?
I used the chakra beast cloak reference because it was another example of someone using molded chakra given to them to enhance their atacks, or do you not remember the war?. Maybe instead I should've just used the Rasengan as my example, that might have suited your needs better eh? But the issue I felt was there was that the Rasengan was a specific attack where the beast cloak was was a source of chakra for the alliance that was adding chakra to their attacks. It more closely fit Sasuke's scenario with having pre-made Rikudou chakra at his disposal though I admit the shroud thing may make it bit more complicated to grasp for some people.
Again, I know it's popular on the base, but you never see anyone with anything of substance saying "too much bullshit to read". The only people that say that are those who have no point. You wouldn't know it was bullshit after all if you hadn't read it :| And you even took the time to bold a statement without being able to address it (something that members who know what they're talking do)
I am not a popular poster on base and neither i want to be
No i only responded to the Bull$#!t part no need to Quote the part thats irrelevant and cheapshots aka typical NDS bull$#!t
Yeah can create a great bit of you theory and fanfic but don't try to paste them on others.Oh and btw there is DB translation about CT too but no one is drama queen like you that he will spam it
Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei
It has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a Kekkei Genkai, sealing technique.
Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much Chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic satellite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the Kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them.
I clearly agreed Sasuke can't absorb Natural energy so what da F are moaning about it
Nice :lol
Coming from this guy :lol
So yeah and Rikodo chakra is no senjutsu why becoz using it Sasuke can actually touch Goudama's which is something only Senjutsu users can do.
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I am not a popular poster on base and neither i want to be
No i only responded to the Bull$#!t part no need to Quote the part thats irrelevant and cheapshots aka typical NDS bull$#!t
Yeah can create a great bit of you theory and fanfic but don't try to paste them on others.Oh and btw there is DB translation about CT too but no one is drama queen like you that he will spam it
it's apart of your sig! Still impressive though 
