Rikudou Chakra Misconception!

[Alfred Pennyworth]

Black chidori is the evidence that Sasuke has rikudo senjutsu chakra which contains natural energy.

However, bear in mind that having senjutsu doesn't mean having a sage mode. IMO this is analogous to the distinction between regular sage mode and curse mark. Yes they both allow users to infuse natural energy into their attacks, but the physical enhancement from sage mode is superior to that from curse marks. This might be the difference between simply having rikudo chakra and having RSM. Maybe the concentratioin of natural energy is different?

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Again those with Rikudou Senjutsu can manifest gudodama and flight,sensing,etc. Show me sasuke doing any of these, infact sasuke doesn't even possess base sage mode yet faps suggest RSM?

Everyone here tried to Discuss with you on a serious manner and we also provided facts. As usual facts go over you simple minded logic.

Those feats you mentioned with TSB, Flying etc are all benefits resulting from RSM.
And given your post you dont even read our replies as we said, that Sasuke doesn't have Rsm just the god damn Senjutsu Chakra.

You call us faps but what are you doing with people who support their claim with scans?
You literally piss on them like a little child who can't accept that earth is bigger than the moon and biatches 24/7.

Actually you are the fap, not us.

I tried to discuss with you once for real, you lost this privilege. Bye.

 

[Michael]

Black chidori is the evidence that Sasuke has rikudo senjutsu chakra which contains natural energy.

However, bear in mind that having senjutsu doesn't mean having a sage mode. IMO this is analogous to the distinction between regular sage mode and curse mark. Yes they both allow users to infuse natural energy into their attacks, but the physical enhancement from sage mode is superior to that from curse marks. This might be the difference between simply having rikudo chakra and having RSM. Maybe the concentratioin of natural energy is different?

To suggest sasuke contains Rikudou Senjutsu means he could manifest gudodama amongst other things. I could see if they said sasuke has some natural energy thanks to Rikudou Chakra, but Rikudou Senjutsu? No XD

 

[Troyg39]

OP is techically right. I think the problem is how loose the manga is with the word "senjutsu", as it has been used when referring to the actual "Sage Mode" but also when using nature chakra

By definition, "senjutsu" is the art of sensing, absorbing, and blending nature energy with your own chakra, the "blending" part being key as that is how "Sage Mode" is obtained and how "senjutsu chakra" is made. So OP is correct in a literal sense when he says Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu. He had it when he had the curse mark, but without it, he can't sense, absorb, and blend outside nature energy with his, so technically he doesn't have senjutsu.

Now yes, he does have Rikudou chakra, but the key thing here is that senjutsu makes senjutsu chakra. Sasuke was simply given the by-product, since he no longer has curse mark he can no longer sense, absorb, and blend nature energy(senjutsu) to make senjutsu chakra(by-product). He's just using senjutsu chakra that was given to him.

Simply utilizing the chakra alone doesn't technically equate to having "senjutsu" anymore than using a tailed beast cloak Naruto gives you makes you a beast cloak user. To say that he has "senjutsu", like naruto, would mean that he can make his own senjutsu chakra, as that's what senjutsu is. Since he can not do this, he doesn't have senjutsu. He can only apply what he was given to his attacks

 

[Michael]

Everyone here tried to Discuss with you on a serious manner and we also provided facts. As usual facts go over you simple minded logic.

Those feats you mentioned with TSB, Flying etc are all benefits resulting from RSM.
And given your post you dont even read our replies as we said, that Sasuke doesn't have Rsm just the god damn Senjutsu Chakra.

You call us faps but what are you doing with people who support their claim with scans?
You literally piss on them like a little child who can't accept that earth is bigger than the moon and biatches 24/7.

Actually you are the fap, not us.

I tried to discuss with you once for real, you lost this privilege. Bye.

There is a difference between Senjutsu and Rikudou Senjutsu, i'll leave it there. I understand Rikudou Chakra may possess natural energy since it originated from Kaguya/Shinju but Rikudou Senjutsu? No sasuke cannot produce, Now please reread the manga.

 

[Michael]

OP is techically right. I think the problem is how loose the manga is with the word "senjutsu", as it has been used when referring to the actual "Sage Mode" but also when using nature chakra

By definition, "senjutsu" is the art of sensing, absorbing, and blending nature energy with your own chakra, the "blending" part being key as that is how "Sage Mode" is obtained and how "senjutsu chakra" is made. So OP is correct in a literal sense when he says Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu. He had it when he had the curse mark, but without it, he can't sense, absorb, and blend outside nature energy with his, so technically he doesn't have senjutsu.

Now yes, he does have Rikudou chakra, but the key thing here is that senjutsu makes senjutsu chakra. Sasuke was simply given the by-product, since he no longer has curse mark he can no longer sense, absorb, and blend nature energy(senjutsu) to make senjutsu chakra(by-product). He's just using senjutsu chakra that was given to him.

Simply utilizing the chakra alone doesn't technically equate to having "senjutsu" anymore than using a tailed beast cloak Naruto gives you makes you a beast cloak user. To say that he has "senjutsu", like naruto, would mean that he can make his own senjutsu chakra, as that's what senjutsu is. Since he can not do this, he doesn't have senjutsu. He can only apply what he was given to his attacks

Finally, someone understands.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

To suggest sasuke contains Rikudou Senjutsu means he could manifest gudodama amongst other things. I could see if they said sasuke has some natural energy thanks to Rikudou Chakra, but Rikudou Senjutsu? No XD

Show me manga facts explicitly stating that Rikudo senjutsu alone grants you TSB.

Tell me how chakra infused with natural energy doesn't equal senjutsu.

 

[Michael]

Show me manga facts explicitly stating that Rikudo senjutsu alone grants you TSB.

Tell me how chakra infused with natural energy doesn't equal senjutsu.

The databook states those with Rikudou Senjutsu have universal comprehension of chakra and can manifest gudodama and even fly.

 

[lndra]

Bruh you've made this thread too many times.

OT; I see

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

The databook states those with Rikudou Senjutsu have universal comprehension of chakra and can manifest gudodama and even fly.

That was based on RSM not Rikudo Senjutsu alone.

Either way Manga > DB.
You lose no matter how hard you try. I can provide Scans, you have to use the Databook and that mind of yours.

That's not how a discussion works.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

The databook states those with Rikudou Senjutsu have universal comprehension of chakra and can manifest gudodama and even fly.

Databook says RSM users have universal comprehension of chakra and mastery of Yin Yang release. It also says TSB is composed of YY release and all nature transformation. So RSM alone is not sufficient. We haven't even seen Naruto regenerate the TSB he'd lost.

and once again RSM=/=rikudo senjutsu chakra

 

[Remedy]

OP is techically right. I think the problem is how loose the manga is with the word "senjutsu", as it has been used when referring to the actual "Sage Mode" but also when using nature chakra

By definition, "senjutsu" is the art of sensing, absorbing, and blending nature energy with your own chakra, the "blending" part being key as that is how "Sage Mode" is obtained and how "senjutsu chakra" is made. So OP is correct in a literal sense when he says Sasuke doesn't have senjutsu. He had it when he had the curse mark, but without it, he can't sense, absorb, and blend outside nature energy with his, so technically he doesn't have senjutsu.

Now yes, he does have Rikudou chakra, but the key thing here is that senjutsu makes senjutsu chakra. Sasuke was simply given the by-product, since he no longer has curse mark he can no longer sense, absorb, and blend nature energy(senjutsu) to make senjutsu chakra(by-product). He's just using senjutsu chakra that was given to him.

Simply utilizing the chakra alone doesn't technically equate to having "senjutsu" anymore than using a tailed beast cloak Naruto gives you makes you a beast cloak user. To say that he has "senjutsu", like naruto, would mean that he can make his own senjutsu chakra, as that's what senjutsu is. Since he can not do this, he doesn't have senjutsu. He can only apply what he was given to his attacks

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[Jokule67]

When Sasuke adds Senjutsu to his Chidori it turns Black.
Part 1 Sasuke:

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Part 2 Sasuke received "Rikduo's Chakra" like you said.
And it still turned black.

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What happened with Kakashi after receiving the rest of Rikudo's chakra?
Right, his Chidori turned black as well.

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Juubi Jinchruikis can only be damaged with Senjutsu.

So going by this logic, Rikudo's Chakra is Enhanced Senjutsu.
Please don't be an ass kicker and accept that you lost for once.

You are wrong. Hagaromo's chackra is Six Path's Chakra. Not Senjutsu. Six Paths Chakra is what BOTH naruto and Sasuke recieved.

SIX PATHS CHAKRA IS VITAL TO THERE ASCENSION.

Only the Truth Seeking Orbs are immune to all Ninjutsu. Not the Jinchuriki himself. Even Sakura hurt Kaguya.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

You are wrong. Hagaromo's chackra is Six Path's Chakra. Not Senjutsu. Six Paths Chakra is what BOTH naruto and Sasuke recieved.

SIX PATHS CHAKRA IS VITAL TO THERE ASCENSION.

Only the Truth Seeking Orbs are immune to all Ninjutsu. Not the Jinchuriki himself. Even Sakura hurt Kaguya.

Boy what? No.
Amaterasu didn't even hurt Obito though he was seperated from his TSB, don't come up with Bullshit pls.

And it is common fact that only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work on JJ.

 

[Sage konohamaru]

Hago just patched up sasuke with rinnegan and refilled his chakra with hes. Immediately after vote 2 rikudo chakra was gone for sasuke.

 

[Troyg39]

Boy what? No.
Amaterasu didn't even hurt Obito though he was seperated from his TSB, don't come up with Bullshit pls.

And it is common fact that only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work on JJ.

The other stuff he said aside, he was right about you being wrong

You are wrong. Hagaromo's chackra is Six Path's Chakra. Not Senjutsu. Six Paths Chakra is what BOTH naruto and Sasuke recieved.

SIX PATHS CHAKRA IS VITAL TO THERE ASCENSION.

Only the Truth Seeking Orbs are immune to all Ninjutsu. Not the Jinchuriki himself. Even Sakura hurt Kaguya.

When Sasuke adds Senjutsu to his Chidori it turns Black.
Part 1 Sasuke:

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Sasuke didn't add "senjutsu" to his chidori, he added senjutsu chakra. Senjutsu is the process of making senjutsu chakra by absorbing and blending nature chakra with your chakra. The curse mark naturally absorbing and blending nature energy is the senjutsu. The black chidori is the senjutsu chakra. And the physical appearance of Sasuke is senjutu mode (just stating the difference)

Part 2 Sasuke received "Rikduo's Chakra" like you said.
And it still turned black.

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Here the point is furthered. Sasuke added "Rikudou chakra" as you said, which produced the same results as adding "senjutsu chakra". However he didn't absorb and blend nature energy with his own to mold the rikudou chakra, he simply applied chakra that was already molded and given to him, Similar to the curse mark scenario, the Sage performed the "senjutsu" to mold the rikudou chakra before giving it to Sasuke, just as the curse mark did the molding for him previously. Then Sasuke adds the chakra to his attack. There is no senjutsu mode, however, because again chakra wasn't molded and fused with his own chakra, only with his technique.

What happened with Kakashi after receiving the rest of Rikudo's chakra?
Right, his Chidori turned black as well.

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Juubi Jinchruikis can only be damaged with Senjutsu.

So going by this logic, Rikudo's Chakra is Enhanced Senjutsu.
Please don't be an ass kicker and accept that you lost for once.

And the same thing with the Kakashi reference. So going by the actual logic, Rikudou chakra is enhanced "senjutsu chakra". As such Juubi Jins are damaged by this chakra, which until Hago gave some to Sasuke, was only obtainable by being trained in the sage art or having a curse mark, aka "senjutsu", as senjutsu is the process of making senjutsu chakra

 

[Michael]

Databook says RSM users have universal comprehension of chakra and mastery of Yin Yang release. It also says TSB is composed of YY release and all nature transformation. So RSM alone is not sufficient. We haven't even seen Naruto regenerate the TSB he'd lost.

and once again RSM=/=rikudo senjutsu chakra

The databook states RSM as Rikudou Senjutsu, what don't y'all understand? RSM is Rikudou Senjutsu. :sdo:

 

[TheSages456]

a lot of people here have no idea what they are talking about apparently. :lol

hagoromos chakra is what comes forth when indra and asuras chakra is mixed. both madara and sasuke possess this chakra due to possessing the rinnegan.


hagoromo combines his own six paths chakra with natural energy to produce the six paths senjutsu. hagoromo and hamura are the only characters in the series to produce six paths senjutsu in this manner. only kaguya, hagoromo and hamura can naturally generate six paths chakra.


another way to awaken six paths senjutsu is to become the ten tails jinchuriki. absorbing the juubi is stated to give you the same kind of power that hagoromo possesses. madara and obito are the only characters to awaken six paths senjutsu in this manner(hagoromo became a juubi jin as well but already had six paths senjutsu prior).



another way to awaken six paths senjutsu is to awaken the tenseigan. toneri awakened six paths senjutsu due to possessing the tenseigan and activating tenseigan chakra mode. hamura also possessed the tenseigan, but he already had six paths senjutsu before awakening the tenseigan.



naruto can utilize six paths senjutsu due to being a human pillar for all the biju. hosting all of the biju is basically equivalent to becoming a juubi jinchuriki.
stated in shikamaru hiden.

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"The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now."

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not really sure why people think that sasuke possesses senjutsu when his only source of sage power was the six paths yin seal, which went back to hagoromo after six paths CT. neither naruto or sasuke have any of hagoromos chakra flowing through their bodies.


naruto can access six paths senjutsu when he draws on the power of all the biju and sasukes possesses the six paths chakra produced by his rinnegan.

 

[Michael]

a lot of people here have no idea what they are talking about apparently. :lol

hagoromos chakra is what comes forth when indra and asuras chakra is mixed. both madara and sasuke possess this chakra due to possessing the rinnegan.

hagoromo combines his own six paths chakra with natural energy to produce the six paths senjutsu. hagoromo and hamura are the only characters in the series to produce six paths senjutsu in this manner. only kaguya, hagoromo and hamura can naturally generate six paths chakra.

another way to awaken six paths senjutsu is to become the ten tails jinchuriki. absorbing the juubi is stated to give you the same kind of power that hagoromo possesses. madara and obito are the only characters to awaken six paths senjutsu in this manner(hagoromo became a juubi jin as well but already had six paths senjutsu prior).

naruto can utilize six paths senjutsu due to being a human pillar for all the biju. hosting all of the biju is basically equivalent to becoming a juubi jinchuriki.
stated in shikamaru hiden.

Spoiler

"The Nine Tails was still living inside Naruto. There were also remnants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In that way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails and gained chakra rivalling that of the Sage of the Six Paths. Naruto, who’d taken the bijuu into him as well, had some of the Sage’s power even now."

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not really sure why people think that sasuke possesses senjutsu when his only source of sage power was the six paths yin seal, which went back to hagoromo after CT. neither naruto or sasuke have any of hagoromos chakra flowing through their bodies.

naruto can access six paths senjutsu when he draws on the power of all the biju and sasukes possesses the six paths chakra produced by his rinnegan.

Exactly my point, RSM is Rikudou Senjutsu. These faps think sasuke has Rikudou Senjutsu.

 

[oxtopus]

I don't know why people don't understand this.chakra and senjutsu are two different things,senjutsu is when you're able to use natural energy. naruto and sasuke both have ridokou chakra but senjutsu is another different thing entirely.Naruto has sage mode which allows him to use natural energy while sasuke doesn't,the only time he was seen using senjutsu was when he was using the curse mark with his susanoo which has natural energy. sasuke doesn't have and has never been shown using six paths senjutsu.
All those saying that ninjutsu doent work on jinchurikis, you are mistaken,it is the truth seeking orbs that ninjutsu doesn't work on and why sasuke chidori worked on madara,is because it is because it is a mixture of both ninjutsu and taijutsu. If it was only ninjutsu madara would have been able to absorb it but he can't because it is an attack that covers the hand in lightning and he cant absorb sasuke hand, samething goes for kakashi raikiri against kaguya and sasuke lightning sword he used to cut madara in half.