[Suggestion] Replacing Hottest Threads to promote better threads

[ImNoOne]

I had this idea that would be fairly easy to implement and has the strong keys of having the whole community as an insurance that it can not be exploited for trolling and stuff. The idea is well explained in a thread I started in Naruto Discussion. And transcribed here:

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It's not important at all, it's just the perversion of the system. I scan the threads by the number of posts in it. Every time a threads get's bumped it goes up and therefore besides new threads all others are threads with massive posting. At least half of these threads are like the one I used for example, where 7 out of every 10 posts are posts disproving the theory.

What ends up happening is that in a mater of a day or less highly interesting theories get buried in page 4 with only 10 or 20 posts... If there was a mod to organise threads by the amount of thanks and likes on them it would work pretty much better.
12-11-2012, 06:38 PM3MESSIAH
Re: How to be on the top!
lol this is so true...some people work their ass off to do an amazing theory or sth,but it goes by unnoticed while someone just types sasuke pwns naruto and reaches hottest threads.this is lame
12-11-2012, 06:39 PMlabiancareality
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH
lol this is so true...some people work their ass off to do an amazing theory or sth,but it goes by unnoticed while someone just types sasuke pwns naruto and reaches hottest threads.this is lame
exactly ahahahaha sad but true
12-11-2012, 06:40 PMnaruman
Re: How to be on the top!
ok i don't know if i am talking stupid , can't it be done that moderator decide which thread to go to the hottest ...? based on thing like
1 => how much proof does it have
2 => if it's trying to put a flame war
3 => trying to hurt particular set of people (religiously)
and many more .!!
12-11-2012, 06:40 PMBlackDude
Re: How to be on the top!
Its funny how everyone bash it even though I showed manga pages

No one has yet to prove it wrong!
12-11-2012, 06:41 PM-Kuro-
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH
lol this is so true...some people work their ass off to do an amazing theory or sth,but it goes by unnoticed while someone just types sasuke pwns naruto and reaches hottest threads.this is lame
People love to post on troll-bait threads. :|
12-11-2012, 06:42 PMTheBrightSide
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by BlackDude
Its funny how everyone bash it even though I showed manga pages

No one has yet to prove it wrong!
Many people have. You are just delusional.
12-11-2012, 06:44 PM-Kuro-
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by TheBrightSide
Many people have. You are just delusional.
Most fanboys are.
12-11-2012, 06:45 PMImNoOne
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by 3MESSIAH
lol this is so true...some people work their ass off to do an amazing theory or sth,but it goes by unnoticed while someone just types sasuke pwns naruto and reaches hottest threads.this is lame
Precisely, and the worst part is that it could be easily avoided by a little bit of code. All that is needed in order to properly rate the threads on their content is already in place, you can rate them on a scale from 0 to 5, you can like them and you can even thank them. NB has already the best way to do this without any effort, THE COMMUNITY ITSELF is a rating program! It would make much more simple to find interesting threads.

For threads older than a weak this could go off so they would gradually be buried down...
12-11-2012, 06:46 PMnaruman
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by BlackDude
Its funny how everyone bash it even though I showed manga pages

No one has yet to prove it wrong!
please any one can make out of your thread what were you trying to do , flame war nothing else .
12-11-2012, 06:46 PMTheBrightSide
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by ImNoOne
Precisely, and the worst part is that it could be easily avoided by a little bit of code. All that is needed in order to properly rate the threads on their content is already in place, you can rate them on a scale from 0 to 5, you can like them and you can even thank them. NB has already the best way to do this without any effort, THE COMMUNITY ITSELF is a rating program! It would make much more simple to find interesting threads.

For threads older than a weak this could go off so they would gradually be buried down...
I dont know if you could, but perhaps you could propose this to someone who can do something about it. Because that is a really good idea.
12-11-2012, 06:49 PMnaruman
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by ImNoOne
Precisely, and the worst part is that it could be easily avoided by a little bit of code. All that is needed in order to properly rate the threads on their content is already in place, you can rate them on a scale from 0 to 5, you can like them and you can even thank them. NB has already the best way to do this without any effort, THE COMMUNITY ITSELF is a rating program! It would make much more simple to find interesting threads.

For threads older than a weak this could go off so they would gradually be buried down...
by any chance you can make people who run this site think on it....?
12-11-2012, 06:50 PMImNoOne
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by -Kuro-
People love to post on troll-bait threads. :|
Yes, and there is nothing wrong on doing so but people do not usually thank/like for troll/fanboy threads. But they do when they see a nice and well thought theory. Replacing the Top posted for the top rated+liked+thanked would make it much more interesting and would be much harder to skim your way up into exposure. Either you make good threads and many people agree on that or you wont get much exposure.
12-11-2012, 06:53 PMImNoOne
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by TheBrightSide
I dont know if you could, but perhaps you could propose this to someone who can do something about it. Because that is a really good idea.
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Originally Posted by naruman
by any chance you can make people who run this site think on it....?
I wonder who should I send it to, or where should I post it... I reckon there must be mods rumbling these forums somewhere and they should probably stumble on this eventually... But maybe I'm just wishful thinking.
12-11-2012, 06:54 PM-Kuro-
Re: How to be on the top!
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Originally Posted by ImNoOne
Yes, and there is nothing wrong on doing so but people do not usually thank/like for troll/fanboy threads. But they do when they see a nice and well thought theory. Replacing the Top posted for the top rated+liked+thanked would make it much more interesting and would be much harder to skim your way up into exposure. Either you make good threads and many people agree on that or you wont get much exposure.
You keep posting that idea, but we can't do anything about it.

If you really want that system implemented, make a thread in the Questions/Suggestions thread and see what the mods and community say about it.

In resume it would be to replace the hottest threads with the better rated, and removing them from said top after a week. Also making this mode the default mode to see threads when you open the sub forums. This would grant that on the top there are always thread the community considers to be useful, wise and enlightening rather than fanboy flame wars, piss contest or troll threads.

People are naturally drawn to post on those threads but they don't usually thank them or like them. So this would promote interesting new threads and ideas rather than the same flame threads everyday.

 

[Unbiased]

Most hottest threads generally contain useful information but what if someone just one stars the thread? No reason at all it can easily be abused.

 

[rollin]

It annoys me too that good theories get overlooked by shitty threads

 

[ImNoOne]

Most hottest threads generally contain useful information but what if someone just one stars the thread? No reason at all it can easily be abused.

True, simply rating might be a bad idea. But likes and thanks are much harder to exploit. Not only do they need more people to exploit as the good debaters and proven/respected members of the community will drag you up even if a few trolls/fanboys try to drag you down. Because a like from someone who has big rep will be more valuable then a like from someone who has less. And if there is a good filter for troll is the rep system.

 

[AP2k]

Good ideas are never implemented. The ones that are always suck. Take the like/dislike system, the mods implemented it because they thought it was a good idea. One kid gets butthurt and cries to mods about people not liking his threads and everyone who disliked threads gets banned. POOF! Narutobase logic.

 

[ImNoOne]

Good ideas are never implemented. The ones that are always suck. Take the like/dislike system, the mods implemented it because they thought it was a good idea. One kid gets butthurt and cries to mods about people not liking his threads and everyone who disliked threads gets banned. POOF! Narutobase logic.

We can always hope that they see this as a good idea.

As disliking a thread it has to be analysed in context. Was it a troll/fanboy thread or was it someone who posted a different view on a subject who a particular faction of users disapproved?

I agree everybody has the right to like or dislike a thread, but I've seen threads of a user constantly massed disliked, whatever the topic, because a particular group of fanboys didn't approved of some of the threads of the user. And that might be considered bullying and should be dealt with accordingly.

If it wasn't the case then I might not be fully aware on what to expect from NB.

PS:I'd really like to have some inputs from admins and/or Mods...

 

[Unbiased King]

Long transcription.

But yes, the system could be improved.

 

[Avani]

You are forgetting the users who already seem to have no idea how to use thanks and like buttons properly.

Some of the most stupid threads get thanked and liked just because there circle of friends keep doing it among them for no other reason than getting a green bar or promoting certain fan groups. And the same use dislike button for people whom they do not like for personal reasons- nothing to do with the usefulness or merit of the thread.

In last year and a half they have driven these indicators it into utter uselessness with new users desperate for a lot of green bars even if they joined just yesterday as if they are playing a game and the bar is manna without which the character will die.

Don't be surprised if you end up konnichi wa threads in hot list by your criteria. I have seen people deliberately posting threads for nothing but to collect thanks and reps- they join social groups for such a purpose.

We try our best to organise and give different topics equal visibility but people need to use their common sense. Some users post threads on the topics which has been discussed to death already and yet keep posting same responses back and forth just to keep it in hot list. Do not bump such pointless repetitive threads and the problem of hot list filled with silly comments won't be that much.

Do not make repeat threads even if you feel original post is not up to the mark. OP doesn't make a thread a good thread on it's own. The contribution of the other users to that thread makes it a good one. No matter what a good show piece or tacky an OP is if no post in it is worth reading from any point of view, be it fun or serious discussion, then it's useless.

Yes some may have been working hard on it- but if all you do while working hard is running up and down the stairs you are just getting personal fitness nothing else. Others may admire your determination but that's it. They will move on to do their own thing after saying yeah you are doing just fine.

Hot list only indicate what topic is gearing people to post more that's all. It's never an indicator of quality no matter what is the criteria of putting it in that list.

The users need to be responsible for their actions as well.

True, simply rating might be a bad idea. But likes and thanks are much harder to exploit. Not only do they need more people to exploit as the good debaters and proven/respected members of the community will drag you up even if a few trolls/fanboys try to drag you down. Because a like from someone who has big rep will be more valuable then a like from someone who has less. And if there is a good filter for troll is the rep system.

Seeing the number of people we had to punish in a year for abusing this system it's just too easy to exploit ( even easier than post count method). And since it is directly related with rep system and admins handle that it gives them extra load to take care of along with the site related issues.

Good ideas are never implemented. The ones that are always suck. Take the like/dislike system, the mods implemented it because they thought it was a good idea. One kid gets butthurt and cries to mods about people not liking his threads and everyone who disliked threads gets banned. POOF! Narutobase logic.

I will break it for you for clarity's sake:

1-Practical ideas are implemented , utopian ones cannot be.

2-Mods do not implement ideas like like and dislike buttons on their own whim. Admins decide what plug -ins to add. We just enforce the rules made by them and assist them in organising the boards.

3-People who got banned in that thread earned their punishment because they were breaking several rules and in fact were trolling, flaming and spamming too much.

Even implementing this idea is up to admins not mods. If an admin think it's possible and practical to set it up the way OP is asking they may do so. I don't know the technical aspect of it so I don't know if it can be done, especially seeing so many filters for it. That's why I am not commenting on that part.

I can how ever see the problems with it based on my experience at the base with the alts/trolls/desperate for thanks users and some related issues. Hot list will be an extra charm for the abuse IMO.

Keep you sarcasm to yourself since you obviously have no understanding off the facts whether technical or administrative. Seeing how you are turning a blind eye to the behaviour of the users you are complaining about you are not even capable of giving a subjective opinion on the merit of the suggestions or comment about how mods handle their job.

Please think before commenting on the topics you do not know about if you can really use logic.

 

[ImNoOne]

I see. But wouldn't be easier to detect faulty/abusive rep giving rather than analysing the content of each post?