Haha, not at you, but the general flow of the conversation itself. And also at myself, for not being able to properly arrest and steer it.
Okay then, allow me to go into details.
On one side you speak of social perspective (being forced, but still there nonetheless) but on the other you treat *** workers like they're literal aliens to society, not being born within it and therefore sharing the same 'social consciousness'. Doesn't work out.
Again, why did the Romans choose it? Because it resonates. As I've already noted, plenty of peoples stick to their own stuff despite a history of western oppression, so it can't just be about what was forced on people. Hence my belief (which is subject to change, given evidence) that those who stick with it do so because it resonates. An example would be Africans who were oppressed, justified by a misinterpration of Genesis chapter 10, yet they still stick to Christianity.
Again, its part of their job to talk nicely to you. You know what its like to have a pimp who watches your every move? I respect the inside you have with them, but if it were that simple then you wouldn't have special police forces in almost every society that specifically monitor the *** industry. At best, I can say that the ones who say they enjoy it may be exceptions.and that's just among the ones on social media etc. Most *** workers aren't the fancy porn stars avalilable online. They're the girls who freeze on cold winter streets only to be hired by a stinking drunkard . . . Like, there are things I can't even say on THIS website because I know some people are watching me. Can you imagine if those people were actual pumps and gang hangers? And if my livelihood depended on their good mood?
You're right that it's not wise to assume, completely correct. You're also assuming that the ones you talk to are the majority . . . (also, next post)
I'm also against any stigma placed on people . . . Next post
Your point on the ancient *** workers is not only covered by my Washington point, but it contradicts the idea you next present of Christian morals being outdated (not that morality is validated by time, anyway).
My understanding of spirituality basically comes down to that we all have a body, a conscience and those two are strongly connected. It teaches that people would rather not even play with someone they don't know, never mind allow said person a direct invasion into their body. So to think that *** workers genuinely enjoy their work in general and that it doesn't doesn't affect their mentality goes against that. We also look for social approval (to the dismay of Exodus 23v2) so the fact that society stigmatises *** work automatically makes it mentally harmful (you've got a point that this stigma can be immoral in its own right, but the fact remains it exists).
Basically, apply the same critical thinking that you put on the anti-*** work side to the pro-*** work side. Actually, go even deeper, with both sides.
That's just looking at it directly. There are also links to drugs, physical abuse, gangs and child prostitution that normal prostitution is almost tied at the hip to.
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Look, I understand that there are many '12yr olds' on the internet who troll and argue sides simply for the sake of arguing (not quite, but simply to support their sides).
So I understand why most people are on the defensive and so do not open up in convos, but simply come in to unload their side of things and don't really consider what the other side is saying. Or even when they are objectively correct, they don't look at where the other side is coming from so as to find common ground.
This is very natural, but it prevents understanding and so is an energy draining trap hole that extremetizes everyone against each other, creating a very deep 'us vs them' scenario,similar to what you have in current USA with the democrats and those other guys.
So it troubles me greatly when charlatons come in,as though to help, but only further the divide. They do this by creating false explanations and labels for categorizing people (and therefore, how one should react to them) instead of understanding them.
So I'm quite aware that from where you're standing, my arguements look very typical of an anti-*** work, anti-liberty, religious extemist kind of guy and that such a guy is only worthy of a pre-set type of reaction, a set play and not a genuine reply.
On account of that, I ask that you not consider me as such.
I do not argue, especially with relative strangers on the internet, simply for the sake of it. Especially when it comes to topics that shape lives and livelihoods, I would not do such a thing. If you want proof of this, the best I can provide is to say look at my avatar and then go into the latest Kakuzu thread. You'll see that I said he might loses to someone of equal standing, because that's my genuine understanding.
For clarity, I'm not arguing against *** workers, but against the trade itself. My point is that the job itself is what is unfair on them and that because it carries many troubles, people should be discouraged from it. Not forbidden, because exceptions exist, but discouraged, because an exceptional situation for one person is a painful mistake and trap for 100 others.
The problem I can't work around (yet) is that the world is too much of a corrupt place for *** work to be genuinely safe and 'normal'. Even putting aside the conscience point, if such work can genuinely be normal work that doesn't harm its workers more than it serves them, the society we currently live in does not allow it to be. If, one day, it does get good enough, then i myself would celebrate anyone doing a job they enjoy. But currently, I have too many reasons to think that only a small portion are satisfied by it and that the majority are crippled by it. I mean, we sometimes here of wives being raped by their own husbands, so can you genuinely say you don't think many,if not all, direct *** workers do not face rape or rape-like scenarios from all those bastards who feel that they own people because they pay for a service? That's my point. The work itself is inhumane. If there are measures and ways to insure the safety of *** workers, then I suport those and if they are sufficient, I'd stop speaking against *** work itself. But currently, such measures do not exist, as evidenced by all the police units dedicated to the industry.
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