Religion
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I dislike them too. My point is that there are many religious people that aren't like that, and they don't deserve to be disrespected or be called stupid because of what some other people do. Religius people are different from each other.
As I said, there are even atheist fanatics, and they do the same: they disrespect other people's opinion anf push their's into people's throat.
Did you read everything? Did you agree?
foxyladyland
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my thoughts on : religion or god or the universe origins or something related lol
we were born from our parents, they were born from their parents, and they were even born from their parents. If we keep going back far enough we see that everyone was born from someone else. Going back even further could reveal that someone had to be the" first parents ever" .
So then would be the next question which is " how did the first parents ever" get here and if they were the "first parents ever", then how were they born or created ?
My thinking is you don't need religion to wonder about God or the creation of man or the universe because if you ask the right questions you will wonder about these things on your own whether you have ever heard of God or not.
Its okay to not be religious because you weren't born religious and its okay to not believe in God because its just hearsay as far as you could possibly know or think.
There's no proof that humans actually die - maybe they just change forms. Well the body does actually die so forget that part. There's no proof that there is an after life - maybe you actually die and stay dead.
All of that is a-ok because in order to be religious , you must first practice religion. *_*
we were born from our parents, they were born from their parents, and they were even born from their parents. If we keep going back far enough we see that everyone was born from someone else. Going back even further could reveal that someone had to be the" first parents ever" .
So then would be the next question which is " how did the first parents ever" get here and if they were the "first parents ever", then how were they born or created ?
My thinking is you don't need religion to wonder about God or the creation of man or the universe because if you ask the right questions you will wonder about these things on your own whether you have ever heard of God or not.
Its okay to not be religious because you weren't born religious and its okay to not believe in God because its just hearsay as far as you could possibly know or think.
There's no proof that humans actually die - maybe they just change forms. Well the body does actually die so forget that part. There's no proof that there is an after life - maybe you actually die and stay dead.
All of that is a-ok because in order to be religious , you must first practice religion. *_*
OMGitsShakra
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have you ever thought that maybe alotta people in the world have it wrong? God is there, he is apart of everything but he has no part in destiny or fate. God doesn't "kill" people or purposely give others the lottery, just because king james version gives us that impression (and other religious texts/extremists) doesn't mean its true. God is the highest, purest form of conscience and intelligence, but we are on this earth, in this reality for a reason and that reason is most likely to learn to distinguish the truths from the faults and become better people ourselves. If God held our hand throughout everything, there wouldn't be any point in coming here in the first place.
We are made in God's image. We have power and knowledge just like God, we just have to figure out what it is and what is important and not. We control our own lives, so if you decide to drink and drive for instance, and you killed that 2 yr old because of your decision, is it God's fault you drank and drove? No. Its your fault for doing that, and it should be lesson learned once it happens. If it isnt, then the universe will test you in other ways. Did that 2 year old know his purpose was for that? Not on earth, but before he got here he did. We have millions of purposes on this planet, and all our decisions directly effect ourselves and others, God doesn't directly control anything.
If God is the creator of the universe he is more serious and more complicated creation than whole universe. you only do is double this question
OMGitsShakra
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Do you think you just were immaculately conceived? Creation of human life is one of the ultimate miracles in this world. JUST LIKE GOD (ironically) we are able to create life, ideas, concepts, ways of life, etc. Just like God we can put an end to a life, to an idea, to whatever. Like God we can learn, learn as much as possible and experience as much as possible or if we want, we can stay closed minded and hidden and not try to learn other possibilities or accept them. God and spirituality accept science but science is constantly trying to prove God wrong. What if....science cannot prove God wrong because God created the ability for us to even have science or measure scientific feats in the first place. If this world ceased to exist, wouldn't science? If we already were place on earth with a understanding for how it all works, would science still exist or be needed? No. science is humans way of explaining something or stuff we normally don't understand.
Honestly, if your life was in question...would you want your life to be as simple as decided by chance? by the flip of a coin? Do you think there wasn't any complexity behind your creation? Your parents bodies doing things without their knowledge? (like the egg dropping into the Fallopian tube and your fathers sperm being able to survive (a small portion of it, because portions of sperm die once they hit the vaginal wall unless the sperm is released near the cervix) long enough to travel up to the egg and fertilize it? Thats only in the first 48 hours of conception and thats an elementary description of it. My point being, as Crystal Chakra mentioned, logically, something cannot exist without something making it exist in the first place and that existence alone is enough scientific evidence to prove their is a God like being or conscience behind the works of this amazing world.
Half of your argument is some whimsical BS about whether or not it is more emotionally comforting to believe in a god. The burden of proof is on those who assert that god exists. There is no empirical evidence to suggest the existence of god. There are perfectly rational and logical elucidations to naturally occurring phenomenon; do you require god to explain gravity? No. But you use god to elucidate other things. That is hypocritical.
Furthermore, human birth is not exactly a 'miracle'; what of miscarriages? What of the fact the mother incurs pain that is of a higher scale than being burned alive? What of the fact that the removal of the umbilical cord is required? If god was such an intelligent designer, surely he would circumvent such superfluity with a more convenient method?
How is the fact that the universe must have had a cause 'scientific' evidence for the existence of god? Is it verifiable? Is it reproducible? Has such 'evidence' been subject to rigorous peer-reviewed journals? Haha, obviously not. Also, do not attempt to use the argument 'well, you cannot see electrons either'. That is because experiments can be conducted which almost scream the existence of electrons. And, such experiments are repeatable. I think you fundamentally misunderstand what constitutes something as being 'scientific' evidence.
If something cannot exist without something existing before it, then what existed before god? Ah, yes, here comes the 'no true Scotsman fallacy', 'god is special/omnipotent, therefore he transcends such laws; they do not apply to him'. I do not at all appreciate fallacies of any nature.
In the end, there is no evidence for the existence of god. Intelligent design can be refuted in a few sentences, as can virtually any argument a creationist puts forward.
Furthermore, human birth is not exactly a 'miracle'; what of miscarriages? What of the fact the mother incurs pain that is of a higher scale than being burned alive? What of the fact that the removal of the umbilical cord is required? If god was such an intelligent designer, surely he would circumvent such superfluity with a more convenient method?
How is the fact that the universe must have had a cause 'scientific' evidence for the existence of god? Is it verifiable? Is it reproducible? Has such 'evidence' been subject to rigorous peer-reviewed journals? Haha, obviously not. Also, do not attempt to use the argument 'well, you cannot see electrons either'. That is because experiments can be conducted which almost scream the existence of electrons. And, such experiments are repeatable. I think you fundamentally misunderstand what constitutes something as being 'scientific' evidence.
If something cannot exist without something existing before it, then what existed before god? Ah, yes, here comes the 'no true Scotsman fallacy', 'god is special/omnipotent, therefore he transcends such laws; they do not apply to him'. I do not at all appreciate fallacies of any nature.
In the end, there is no evidence for the existence of god. Intelligent design can be refuted in a few sentences, as can virtually any argument a creationist puts forward.
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If you ever read bible or kuran completely you can find many phrases that order to destroy other religions. bible tells to conquer the whole world. so british people destroy our countries. but i,m not hate them. i only have sympathy to them . in my religion those who do bad work shall pray the price by karma.
OMGitsShakra
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I am sure it does, it sounds like you put too much faith in humankind and the image most humans have developed of God. We are capable of alot, but not of the scale of understanding in which is needed to get something like that. Science helps us understand the complexity of the world, that complexity is there in a first place because of....what random chance? Why havent we experienced another big bang in the last billion years? Why haven't we experienced evolution in some aspect happening before our eyes? If it does happen, and its not just adapting to the world around us instead, why can't God be the driving force behind that? Why can't we find that one, just one skull or bone that proves the link between monkeys and humans? If God doesn't exist, then why can we not completely prove it? Does it make sense for humans to have so called free will but for God to intervene and save human life? Why is it God's responsibility to make sure each individual on earth survives or makes good decisions when we have free will to do so? It's easy to not believe in God, thats the easy way out. Its also easy to believe in a God that does make all the decisions for you and controls all aspects of the world...that way humankind conveniently has an excuse when shit goes wrong in their life. Tell me, if you drive drunk..get in a accident and kill a person...is that God's fault? Or your fault for getting in the car when you know drinking and driving can do harm? know for the sake of it we can say you didn't realize drunk driving would cause an accident but does that mean God should have appeared in front of you and warned you before you got behind the wheel? No, otherwise, how would you accurately learn what something like drinking and driving could do to yourself or others without being exposed to that knowledge in the first place?
The God that's being debated about on this thread is usually just a God limited in power to the perception of the individuals who have been exposed to only one method or two of thinking about his existence or possibilities aka religious man made God. Yes, i believe the God most have come to known in our religious texts, the vast majority of them, is proof of nothing more than we are taking things at face value instead of seeing the big picture. Even with proof the King James Bible was altered by the King himself, Christians (not all) still believe everything in that book to be God's exact word? Even when it's full of the contradictions it has? How can you call yourself a Christian and believe despite God saying in his book he loves all his children and creation, he would throw gay people into hell? How can you wear jewelry and have *** before marriage and stuff without feeling extreme guilt? Its because subconsciously we know God wouldn't really damn us for stupid shit like that.
Are you saying there isnt a creation, birth, existence, and death cycle? Is it not true that every human was concieved, birthed either dead or alive, existed for those who were alive, and eventually dead and decomposed back into the earth to create nutrients in which helped give birth to other life like plants or animals? This cycle repeats itself and has repeated itself for as long as we can measure existence. So...earth was just here? by that logic? and these cycles only hold true for everything else in existence, but not for their being an earth creator? Things as big as galaxies and stars have a creation, birth, life, death process that repeats and so does the bacteria living on your body now. Why would earth be the only exception? Or the big bang? You could argue that energy spontaniously created the gases needed for the big bang, but then what created that energy? something was creating that energy. Even if its just energy behind the scenes, wouldn't that technically be God? God is provided a push for life, whether he be an alien, energy, human, plant, cat, gas, star, nothing (because nothing is something still) There is argument logically for a God.
On a different note, all these people that cry proof this proof that for God....why isn't the way the world works acceptable proof? Do you really believe every single complexity that exists is the result of spontaneous chance? I know science can explain how the world works, but it can't explain why God cannot be behind that science, especially when we do not even understand really what God is or cannot prove he does or doesn't exist? How are we supposed to scientifically prove somethings existence that is beyond human comprehension, that cannot be explained by definitive proof? Im really just curious, i find the whole world and every pattern of existence within it more than enough proof to believe this is not all just a result of chance.
Sorry this is long, and no offense is intended. Just asking questions to help further my understanding of the opposite spectrum, because you cannot ever claim to know something is true without understanding all aspects first. I have been in these shoes before, but that doesn't mean i still can't learn stuff.
OMGitsShakra
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Actually the Quran nor the Bible refer to "destroying" other religions or people. They express to fall victim to false idols. The 3 big religions are are very very alike in everything, except the fact that cannot learn to accept the other freakin exists. Extremists want to eliminate other religions, true people dedicated to God, would want to understand these religions so that they can either accurately reach out to others who do not believe the same way, with a method that is more relateable, and not shoving your beliefs down someones throat or if you are truly dedicated to God and you know in your faith you are right and stand good, why does it matter what other people believe? Don't underestimate God's ability to reach out to people. He will do so when the time is right, whether thats in church, the synagogue, the temple...whether it's through a NDE, or at creation or death, or in another lifetime...God will have a way to you at some point in your souls existence.
Religious ppl get attention and called stupid on the Internet because
They start to preach their religion..Some religions preach to kill,murder and crucify or ppl have read abt the bad things that religions had done to theirs or their ppl and naturally others get irritated by it
Compare some sentences in their religius book to some scientific theory and say it matches to it and it was written in that book thousands of years ago blah blah..
Repeatedly saying something scientifc is untrue or because it against their religion or it tells so
In b/w Have you ever seen a scientist creating an extrimist group or strapping bomb on him self and blowing shit up because other didnt agreed to him
They start to preach their religion..Some religions preach to kill,murder and crucify or ppl have read abt the bad things that religions had done to theirs or their ppl and naturally others get irritated by it
Compare some sentences in their religius book to some scientific theory and say it matches to it and it was written in that book thousands of years ago blah blah..
Repeatedly saying something scientifc is untrue or because it against their religion or it tells so
In b/w Have you ever seen a scientist creating an extrimist group or strapping bomb on him self and blowing shit up because other didnt agreed to him
