Relationship Between the Senju, the Uzumaki, and Rikudō Sennin

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Recently there have been many debates on whether or not the Sage of the 6 Paths may or may not be an Uzumaki. As such I would like to put my two cents in.

First of all we all know the story of the two sons who would later start the Uchiha Clan and the Senju Clan. The definition of clan is a group of people united by actual or perceived kinship and descent. So merely being a part of a clan does not mean you are blood related. The Uzumaki Clan is supposed descendants of the Senju Clan. There are two types of descendants. The first is lineal descendants and the second is collateral descendants. Lineal descendants as the name suggest follow a straight line, such as children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and so on. Collateral descendants are descendants that don't follow a straight line such as cousins and uncles. Zetsu has said that the Uzumaki's are from the Senju lineage. Lineage means a lineal descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree. It can also mean kinship. Kinship is defined as a sharing of characteristics or origins.

I believe that Rikudō Sennin is an Uzumaki. He gifted the elder with the "eyes" also his powerful chakra. He gifted the younger son with the "body" also his powerful life force. The Uzumaki have both powerful chakra and a powerful life force. As shown when Kushina survived the extraction of Kurama, also when Mito lived from before the founding of the village well into Hiruzen's reign. Zetsu said that the Uzumaki were part of the Senju lineage here( ). Which means that they share a lineal descent from an ancestor. However most people believe it is the younger brother. When in fact it is Rikudō Sennin himself. The lineal relationship would still be preserved. Also furthering this idea is all Jinchuuriki's of Kurama have been an Uzumaki. Naruto also possesses closer DNA to Rikudō Sennin than others being able to unconsciously use one of his sealing techniques. Nagato was also able to summon Gedo Mazo which is the husk of the Juubi.
 
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Think of this also: if the Uzumakis are a descendant lineage of the main branch of the Senjus, then why didn't Kushina mention that? Since the setting of Naruto takes inspiration from Feudal Era Japan, and in that time it is disrespectful for an off-branch family to refer to their clan without mentioning descent from the main house, like example we of the x clan, who are descended from the great y house, why did Kushina only say they were relatives of the Senjus without the honorifics required from an off branch family member? Because the Uzumakis were not descendants of the Senjus, they were merely Kin.
 

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True!!! Then can naruto have rinnegan ??? Without being uchiha.??
Im afraid its not that simple, the Uzumaki in question must belong from direct Patrilineal Descent from The Sage to awaken that, meaning he has to be both Senju and Uchiha to awaken the Rinnegan. Nagato may not have been a direct descendant, but his Uzumaki Heritage which probably contains both Uchiha and Senju DNA, is more than sufficient to wield the Rinnegan but not awakening it.
 
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Im afraid its not that simple, the Uzumaki in question must belong from direct Patrilineal Descent from The Sage to awaken that, meaning he has to be both Senju and Uchiha to awaken the Rinnegan. Nagato may not have been a direct descendant, but his Uzumaki Heritage which probably contains both Uchiha and Senju DNA, is more than sufficient to wield the Rinnegan but not awakening it.
Why not? If rikudou is uzumaki then naruto having rinnegan is possible rite without being an uchiha??
 

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Why not? If rikudou is uzumaki then naruto having rinnegan is possible rite without being an uchiha??
Using you train of thought the Senju should be able to awaken a sharingan since they too were descendants of Rikudo Sennin. I think he got the rinnegan from the Juubi than passed it on to his eldest son.
 

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Why not? If rikudou is uzumaki then naruto having rinnegan is possible rite without being an uchiha??
Well it would impose a problem that if the Uzumakis were the original bloodline, then Nagato, Kushina or Karin could by themselves awaken the Rinnegan. Which is farfetched, so only through direct descent from the Sage can the Rinnegan be reawakened. But by virtue of common ancestry of the Uzumakis to the Sage, the wielder of the transplanted Rinnegan like Nagato is sufficient to wield them.
 
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Stretch to say that Naruto has powerful chakra, I mean, how do you compare chakra? We know he has a lot of it, we don't know how potent it is. Don't think he was an uzumaki, don't think he belonged to any clan, he was god pretty much. Uzumaki's alone cannot awaken the Rinnegan, they can wield it because of their chakra reserves and life force, but they need uchiha DNA to awaken it. That alone should be enough proof that the sage was not an uzumaki.
 

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Well it would impose a problem that if the Uzumakis were the original bloodline, then Nagato, Kushina or Karin could by themselves awaken the Rinnegan. Which is farfetched, so only through direct descent from the Sage can the Rinnegan be reawakened. But by virtue of common ancestry of the Uzumakis to the Sage, the wielder of the transplanted Rinnegan like Nagato is sufficient to wield them.
Your old avatar and signature were way better man.
 

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The Elder Son and the Second Son were born Uzumaki, it's their descendants who eventually call themselves Uchiha and Senju who by mating with non Uzumaki thin out the bloodlines and the jutsus to were they are now,with the exception of Madara who recombine the bloodline by adding and combining Senju and Uchiha DNA back to the SO6P.
 

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The Elder Son and the Second Son were born Uzumaki, it's their descendants who eventually call themselves Uchiha and Senju who by mating with non Uzumaki thin out the bloodlines and the jutsus to were they are now,with the exception of Madara who recombine the bloodline by adding and combining Senju and Uchiha DNA back to the SO6P.
Indeed :)
 

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I like how everybody in this thread is certain that the theory is sound xd

OT: If the Sage is an Uzumaki it will be ridiculous. Just because the author made the mistake to make his protagonist a fool, he decides to pull anything, anything out of his ass to make him the strongest fool ever? I don't like that.
 

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I like how everybody in this thread is certain that the theory is sound xd

OT: If the Sage is an Uzumaki it will be ridiculous. Just because the author made the mistake to make his protagonist a fool, he decides to pull anything, anything out of his ass to make him the strongest fool ever? I don't like that.
So you are also saying the First Hokage is also a fool sines now we know that He is a lot like Naruto in personality,Hell it would not surprise me if the SO6P Himself was Naruto like.
 
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