Reasons why Naruto is more proficient in Sage Mode than Hashirama!

[Anorien16]

Naruto need to sit still in the middle of a battlefield for a few minutes to go SM .... Hashirama can just clap hands and the next second he is in SM. Realistically speaking, this alone trumps all of Naruto's advantages.

Not to mention frog kata is Naruto's training not his SM specialty and sensing is seemingly not Hashirama's perticulr SM's speciality. Also anyone can go SM then his clones can go SM.

PS What about Kabuto eh?

 

[S A G E]

Well your arguments are not exactly the best.

1. I'm not sure if it's correct but I'm too lazy to check lol

2. He can't use frog Kata but instead he can summon giants who can overpower a combination of perfect susanoo and Kurama lol.

3. He didn't have the chance to display any sensor abilities right now since he's in a middle of a war so we have to wait and see.

1. Oh my points here are correct.
2. I'm talking about combining sage mode with Taijutsu applications. What you said seems to be using sage mode just to increase his chakra to summon wood attacks. No taijutsu feats.
3. He never noticed that the juubi or Obito is made of nature chakra, which is a flaw already since he's already in Sage mode while everything is going down.

 

[Xāvî1]

There is reason in what you say.

very right

 

[Ovan]

Just wait till we can see what he got.

 

[Kurama2012]

i say their sage mode is on the same level, people think just because it is hashirama that he is superior in everything when compared to other characters but if you look at what a perfect sage mode is, its when the user takes on as little change as possible and both naruto and hashirama share very similar results which would imply that hashi like naruto has perfected sage mode, but just because they both have perfect sage mode doesnt mean that they will be equal in combat just that their techniques will be at the best that they can be through sage mode.

 

[Byron123]

1. Oh my points here are correct.
2. I'm talking about combining sage mode with Taijutsu applications. What you said seems to be using sage mode just to increase his chakra to summon wood attacks. No taijutsu feats.
3. He never noticed that the juubi or Obito is made of nature chakra, which is a flaw already since he's already in Sage mode while everything is going down.

I see your point.

 

[Tobby17]

Hashirama in sage mode has more destructive power than Naruto

 

[scorezor]

It's not based on assumptions, rather its based on what we know so far and what we haven't seen yet.



Is it that bad to be ahead of the Narutobase pack?
Sorry for being a logical theorist, but that's how I roll.

and that's you're flaw .

 

[KidGamer65]

This is not in terms of power but in terms of how each characters utilize sage mode in battle.

1. Naruto's clones can go Sage mode, while only hashirama's main body can.

Hashirama's SM lasts way longer than Naruto's does.

2. Naruto can apply his sage mode with Taijutsu using frog-kata, something Hashirama has not displayed.

Pretty sure that's a Toad SM ability only. Even if it isn't, where has Hashirama ever fought in CQC while in Sage Mode?

3. Naruto in Sage mode is a great sensor, while Hashirama has not displayed any sensing abilities yet using Sage mode.

Where has Hashirama been in Sage Mode where sensing would make a difference or even be helpful?



In short, this is a fail thread. You assumed Hashirama can't sense despite being a perfect Sage. You say Naruto is better at SM cause he has Frog Kata, a Toad SM ability, and somehow you have Naruto's clones being able to use SM as a point for him being more proficient, despite Hashirama's lasting way longer.

 

[S A G E]

Hashirama's SM lasts way longer than Naruto's does.


Pretty sure that's a Toad SM ability only. Even if it isn't, where has Hashirama ever fought in CQC while in Sage Mode?


Where has Hashirama been in Sage Mode where sensing would make a difference or even be helpful?



In short, this is a fail thread. You assumed Hashirama can't sense despite being a perfect Sage. You say Naruto is better at SM cause he has Frog Kata, a Toad SM ability, and somehow you have Naruto's clones being able to use SM as a point for him being more proficient, despite Hashirama's lasting way longer.

Dude your arguments are always weaksauce, and clearly not enough to discredit my claims.

1. I never said its a matter of how long. I already explained the importance of Shadow clones in Sage mode on my previous posts, read it for you own sake.

2. This point is about Hashirma not shown to have any sort of Taijutsu application with his sage mode. Of course frog kata is exclusive to the frogs, the name pretty much gives it. Lol

3. Hashirama while in sage mode, was in the same battlefield as Obito, yet he's never sensed the natural energy that makes up the juubi, something that is relevant and useful to the Shinobi alliance. If he did sense it, why did he never relay this vital to the alliance, and instead waited for Naruto to notice it?

No mangapage indicate otherwise that Hashirama has shown these feats. Where is that, mangapage or it didn't happen attitude that you always ask people? You surely are a walking contradiction. Before commenting on my threads, please provide valid counterarguments, otherwise I'll now add you on my ignore list. Have a nice day!

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude your arguments are always weaksauce, and clearly not enough to discredit my claims.

1. I never said its a matter of how long. I already explained the importance of Shadow clones in Sage mode on my previous posts, read it for you own sake.

Nothing you said has nothing to do with the proficiency of Sage Mode at all. It also doesn't matter if you said it was a matter of how long, the point you are trying to make is that Naruto is more proficient at SM than Hashirama.

Not to mention Hashirama has had SM far longer than Naruto has had his SM, but again, not surprised you didn't factor that in. And don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Hashirama is better at it nor am I saying that Naruto is better at it. I'm just showing you why your reasoning is garbage.

2. This point is about Hashirma not shown to have any sort of Taijutsu application with his sage mode. Of course frog kata is exclusive to the frogs, the name pretty much gives it. Lol

Again, you are stupidly assuming that he has to have some kind of Taijutsu application with his Sage Mode. Does Kabuto have that? Nope. You are basically saying here that Naruto is better at SM than Hashirama simply because he has something Hashirama shouldn't have, again shit reasoning.

3. Hashirama while in sage mode, was in the same battlefield as Obito, yet he's never sensed the natural energy that makes up the juubi, something that is relevant and useful to the Shinobi alliance. If he did sense it, why did he never relay this vital to the alliance, and instead waited for Naruto to notice it?

Its not important for him to tell everyone that its made up of Natural Energy cause what are they going to do about it even if they knew? Not to mention Naruto had figured that out before he was even revived.

Not to mention he's kind of busy fighting Madara at the moment, lmao. Read the damn manga.

No mangapage indicate otherwise that Hashirama has shown these feats. Where is that, mangapage or it didn't happen attitude that you always ask people? You surely are a walking contradiction. Before commenting on my threads, please provide valid counterarguments, otherwise I'll now add you on my ignore list. Have a nice day!

Learn the difference between a debate and a discussion. There are reasons why some things need scans when used in debate, otherwise its an unknown variable, not used in debate. Not to mention there is no proof some people have something or can use them correctly.

Your whole thread is based on the fact he hasn't shown something that we know he has (Perfect Sages can sense that's a manga fact, not disputable), but just hasn't shown yet. This is far different from a debate so I suggest you don't try and compare the two in any way shape or form.

Basically you are making a conclusion based off of inconclusive evidence, but I'm not going to bother wasting my time here. I've already concluded long ago that you are a massive idiot.

 

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Nothing you said has nothing to do with the proficiency of Sage Mode at all. It also doesn't matter if you said it was a matter of how long, the point you are trying to make is that Naruto is more proficient at SM than Hashirama.

Not to mention Hashirama has had SM far longer than Naruto has had his SM, but again, not surprised you didn't factor that in. And don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Hashirama is better at it nor am I saying that Naruto is better at it. I'm just showing you why your reasoning is garbage.


Again, you are stupidly assuming that he has to have some kind of Taijutsu application with his Sage Mode. Does Kabuto have that? Nope. You are basically saying here that Naruto is better at SM than Hashirama simply because he has something Hashirama shouldn't have, again shit reasoning.


Its not important for him to tell everyone that its made up of Natural Energy cause what are they going to do about it even if they knew? Not to mention Naruto had figured that out before he was even revived.



Learn the difference between a debate and a discussion. There are reasons why some things need scans when used in debate, otherwise its an unknown variable, not used in debate. Not to mention there is no proof some people have something or can use them correctly.

Your whole thread is based on the fact he hasn't shown something that we know he has (Perfect Sages can sense that's a manga fact, not disputable), but just hasn't shown yet. This is far different from a debate so I suggest you don't try and compare the two in any way shape or form.

Basically you are making a conclusion based off of inconclusive evidence, but I'm not going to bother wasting my time here. I've already concluded long ago that you are a massive idiot.

Utilizing a technique such as Sage Mode in many possible applications such as the ones presented in this post, shows the expertise of Naruto that gives him an edge when compared to how Hashirama uses his Sage mode.

Wow you bothered to typed so much, yet the actual content of this post is nothing but blabber without providing a valid counterarguments. Do you actually think that the length of your post determine the values of your arguments? If you think you can debate just because you have the time and energy to post wall of text, then you are more foolish than I thought.

I'm done with you, clearly you are just an angry kid who attacks the debater rather than the points the person is making. You better reflect who is acting and sounding more of an idiot before insulting someone. Base on my encounter with you and your post to other users, I can now conclude that you are not level headed enough to be doing debates.

 

[KidGamer65]

Utilizing a technique such as Sage Mode in many possible applications such as the ones presented in this post, shows the expertise of Naruto that gives him an edge when compared to how Hashirama uses his Sage mode.

Wow you bothered to typed so much, yet the actual content of this post is nothing but blabber without providing a valid counterarguments. Do you actually think that the length of your post determine the values of your arguments? If you think you can debate just because you have the time and energy to post wall of text, then you are more foolish than I thought.

I'm done with you, clearly you are just an angry kid who attacks the debater rather than the points the person is making. You better reflect who is acting and sounding more of an idiot before insulting someone. Base on my encounter with you and your post to other users, I can now conclude that you are not level headed enough to be doing debates.

As I expected. You have no reply so you come here and whine. You are definitely going on my ignore list, won't have to see anymore of your stupid posts.

 

[S A G E]

As I expected. You have no reply so you come here and whine. You are definitely going on my ignore list, won't have to see anymore of your stupid posts.

Well glad to see that the feeling is mutual, your clearly worst than most trolls here and I have seen better post from them as well.

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

hashirama is older than naruto, he have gained more experience than naruto in sage mode, you think that naruto can perform a massive top transformed buddha in his frog sage mode?