[Discussion] Reason why Sanji is not strong as current Zorro right now
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Tomato God
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1. Zoro is gonna have An extreme diff fight guaranteed (Like a luffy Vs Lucci fight)
2. Zoro beating everyone is proof he is the number 2
You ever see Afro samurai? I suggest you go watch it. Its about a guy trying to be the number one killer and he basically merks everyone because he wears the number 2 head band. He can be challenged for his head band by anyone. But to challenge the person with the number 1 head band you have to be the number 2. He is basically a god till he fights the number one. Its still good just a slow build up.
I feel like thats what odas going with. Still giving us bad ass fights but just not with lots of damage for zoro.
Wow that makes a lot of since, and I have watched a little of it. I'm gonna have to get more into it though. Maybe that is the route he's trying to go with Zoro like you said. I wonder where does Zoro rank compared to all the swordsmen in one piece,we need more impressive swordsmen.
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believe me there is alot of people here waiting for zoro to get his defeat but they are going to wait for ever
Tomato God
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Zoro wont get defeated, He swore to never lose again. Not saying he can't be but he wont be beat.
Shanks
Mihawk
Fujitora (Apparently he became an admiral without DF which means that his swordsmanship alone puts him on admiral class)
Rayleigh
The guy who's responsible for Fujitora's blindness (Most likely a SM)
Vista
Zoro has a really really long way to go.Lol
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Pervy Wrath
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Pretty much this. Sanji's either been fighting Wadatsumi or Doffy. He was way out of Wadatsumi's league, and Doffy is out of Sanji's league. Waiting for him to fight Pekoms/Tamago.
Yeah that list is kind of short, but watch we get some Wano swordsman who are stronger. Would be totally insane if they had 5 samurai stronger than Zoro. Will be fun watching him surpass all of them too. Lol
Yeah Oda better not disappoint, I want Pekoms and Tamago to be seriously injured, or maybe captured. I also better get one hell of a showing for Sanji in Wano.
How do you know how strong Ryuma was? You realize that his thriller Bark zombie wasn't even close to his strength in real life, right? He was only using Brook's fighting style and techniques, but because his soul was originally stronger, it made Brook's techniques stronger than they actually were. Zoro himself admitted after winning that he never won against the real Ryuma
It's because his soul was stronger like i've said. So he was using Brook's strength and techniques better than him. Post-timeskip Brook can now use a similar adobe coup droit that he couldn't pretimeskip. Just look at it this way. Even a fodder like Kinemon can easily cut steel, something that was a long time difficulty for Zoro pretimeskip, so someone considered a legend like Ryuma should do much better than this. Post-timeskip Zoro also had to use Shishisonson to decapite a dragon that real life Ryuma could cut in one swing. Kinemon isn't respecting Zoro at the moment thinking he doesn't deserve Shusui. The reason i'm waiting for the Wano arc is that he accomplish great feats there allowing Kinemon and likely other swordsmen from Wano to recognize him as the real owner of Shusui, recognize his swordsmanship and strength as well, learning their special cutting move(like Kinemon's fox fire ability) and maybe why not insert a comparison with the real Ryuma somewhere
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Pervy Wrath
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I'm not sure if I have that high hopes for Sanji that arc. All I know is that I will be pissed if Oda decides to make the main antagonist of that arc be Luffy's opponent instead of Zoro's. Wano has to be Zoro's arc. But depending on the story, Sanji can also have a very strong opponent. Either way, I hope Luffy takes a backseat. He knows Zoro's goal is to be the strongest Swordsman in the world, so if the strongest person on Wano is a Swordsman, then Luffy better step back. Sanji can fight the strongest ninja ;D
I see you've been informed about the whole shadow thing and that it actually held back Ryuma, but I have to add that, as mentioned also, he cut down a dragon in one try. Zoro had to pull out a pretty strong move for a fake dragon. Now, Zoro didn't actually use blackened CoA on it, so it's hard to say how much easier it could've been. But I doubt that the mechanical dragon was anywhere near the strength of a real one, which speaks volumes for Ryuma. But it's also just me guessing, so take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah I agree completely, if the strongest person there is a swordsman, I want Zoro to beat the main for once. Luffy can just not do anything but eat meat for all I care. I want this swordsman to be at least stronger than Vista too. I expect this arc to tie in with Kaido and thus really long. I expect the M3 to be really strong when its all over. And that ninja part is genius btw, I never even thought about that. Sanji fights the strongest ninja or something. Lol sounds good to me long as they are really strong.
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Hmmm, I'm not sure if he'll be stronger than Vista. It would make sense, since he'll be the leader of Wano, but I think that might be too high of a level for Zoro to be at right now. But I guess it depends on how Oda goes on with the story. If all they're going to do now going forward is defeat Yonko, then it would make sense for Zoro to be very close to Vista's level.
Yeah, I'd like it if there were ninjas there. People are thinking there might be a female uprising there, too, since they seem to look at women as inferior. So I could see Sanji siding with them
Well I guess it depends on where you place Vista, I viewed him at first stronger than Doflamingo, but the majority seems to think he's weaker. Which should place him either a little weaker than DD or Luffy and Laws level, though he should be stronger than both. And if the alliance is indeed going after Kaido, then I expect Zoro to fight the first mate which should definitely be stronger than Vista who appears to be the #3.Hmmm, I'm not sure if he'll be stronger than Vista. It would make sense, since he'll be the leader of Wano, but I think that might be too high of a level for Zoro to be at right now. But I guess it depends on how Oda goes on with the story. If all they're going to do now going forward is defeat Yonko, then it would make sense for Zoro to be very close to Vista's level.
Yeah, I'd like it if there were ninjas there. People are thinking there might be a female uprising there, too, since they seem to look at women as inferior. So I could see Sanji siding with them
Yeah I think that's a great idea, Sanji tries to win her over majority of the arc fighting off her enemies. Makes sense and sounds Oda like. But like always he wont get the girl. U_U
Pervy Wrath
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I find him, Jozu and Marco kind of hard to place. I'm one of the few who actually thinks Jozu is stronger than Doffy, though
But honestly, I don't think Zoro is on that level yet. Vista even clashed with Mihawk and walked away with no injuries. But they obviously weren't going all out. Actually, we haven't seen Zoro's strongest move yet, either. I'm waiting for him to use Asura and just instantly becoming Admiral level xDBut I definitely don't see him fighting a 1st Mate. Imo, Zoro has to help with defeating Kaido. Well, it depends on who will take part in this. If theories are correct and Drake joins, then I can picture Luffy, Law and Drake fighting Kaido together, while Zoro, etc. handle the Commanders.
Poor guy... He needs to get some.
Yeah Zoro has got a while. But I pitted him up against a Yonko FM because I do believe X Drake is going to end up helping. Though I bet he will act reluctant at first.I find him, Jozu and Marco kind of hard to place. I'm one of the few who actually thinks Jozu is stronger than Doffy, though
But I definitely don't see him fighting a 1st Mate. Imo, Zoro has to help with defeating Kaido. Well, it depends on who will take part in this. If theories are correct and Drake joins, then I can picture Luffy, Law and Drake fighting Kaido together, while Zoro, etc. handle the Commanders.
Poor guy... He needs to get some.
I know man, Oda can give Sai a girlfriend but can't give Sanji one? I wonder what happened to the BA Sanji in the baraie arc who acted like Mr. Steal yo girl. After that he couldn't even look at a beautiful woman without a nose bleed.