Reason why MS Obito is the strongest shinobi alive.
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KidGamer65
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Inexperienced? Are we going to blatantly lie about what's in the manga now? Obito was far from inexperienced with Kamui considering he invaded a whole village undetected and made it to Naruto's birth while killing everyone who got in his way. You are going to need some proof to back up this baseless assumption.
Not being aware didn't change the fact that he couldn't counter it, not to mention he was well aware, he just didn't think Minato would teleport to the Kunai he threw since he tossed it right past him. There is no Hiraishin level 2.
All of who are far slower than Minato w/ Hiraishin.....your point?
It pretty much already happened in the manga, so no its not debatable.
If he had already gotten destroyed, he would have been warped by now. Using 12 Clones just like he did at the start of this war spells Obito's end since he lacks the firepower to destroy them all and can't warp either one of them.
Everything you are discussing right now is a hypothetical situation.
Flower World ends Obito. Period.
it doesnt matter if minato was alive he would pwn him again, thats the arrogance of a uchiha . and i mention plot restrictions when the only reason obito is even a alive is because of a plot restriction from his fight with konan.
Logically Ms obito > hashirama, madara and naruto.
Ms obito vs minato can be heavily debated due to FTG.
Everything your saying is hypothetical, Flower world easily gets countered by kamui as he sends his entire body to the other dimension.
Minato is the only one able to counter Kamui but is debatable as adult Ms obito has exponentially improved.
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Repeating the same nonsense isn't helping you here. Logically they all take a dump on him just like I said. You saying its hypothetical doesn't make sense nor does it refute anything I said, at all. You aren't even using logic so I don't know why you are saying logically Obito is stronger than these people...the only logic I see is fanboy logic. (PNJ is the reason he lost blah blah)
Kamui has a 5 minute time limit, Flower World lasts until its destroyed.
-Repeating the same nonsense isn't helping you at all. Minato vs Obito is not debatable, it already happened. He improved in what? Kamui? lol, not changing the fact that Minato's Hiraishin shits all over it. He can't successfully warp him nor can he evade a Hiraishin blitz.
darkmanure
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So strong that without his one trick pony phasing he had a hole in his chest by Kakashi.
One trick pony.
One trick pony.
Amaterasuice
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1st of all the 5 minutes time limit is not like the 5 second interval on Shinra Tensei in which pain can't do Shinra Tensei until 5 seconds pass...it simply means Obito can pass through solid objects for 5 minutes straight then he becomes solid...the is nothing stating he can't use Kamui 1 second after being solid
2ndly flower world can be avoided, I'm sure Madara was able to avoid it too against his fights with Hashirama...the Gokage avoided it too, Madara had to do a follow up attack to force them back down, Obito would simply jump up too or whatever to avoid it and use Kamui to avoid a follow up attack if necessary...The Data book says he has all the Rinnegan techs, he could absorb the flower powder or blow it away with Shinra Tensei
On the Minato issue I agree with you 100%
Oh I'm aware you will argue that we haven't seen Obito use any of pain's Jutsu, this is the one incident I am forced to say PNJ and I'm so ashamed Lol, It also states that Madara is able to use Shinra Tensei but no one doubts he can use it even though we haven't seen him use it
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1. Hashirama isn't going to stand there.
2. If he goes tangible to warp him away, the Flower World would put him to sleep.
lmao, read and understand my post before you reply. Kamui lasts 5 minutes in a row, FTW lasts indefinitely until its destroyed. Meaning he has to remain intangible or he gets put to sleep, but he can only do so for 5 minutes in a row.
Scans of this?
The Gokage could fly, Obito can't. Try again. If he leaves the whole battlefield (Which is FTW's Area of Effect) he pretty much forfeits if he comes back and doesn't fight.
@bold: So Obito is going to jump up in the air? Then he falls back down and gets put to sleep after 5 minutes, not that hard.
lmao, what are you talking about?
1. This is MS Obito, not Rinnegan Obito.
2. He has no feats with them so don't even mention them here.
3. Databook doesn't even say that.
It was never stated they can use all of them nor was it shown so I'm not even going to consider them.
No.
The flower world doesn't instantly put you to sleep, Onoki was hit with it, fell down had time for memories then got up did Jinton. the jumping up scenario I suggested might have been bad but my point is he has plenty options he could wrap the pollen (he was fast enough to wrap Sasuke out of Jinton that one time, he also wrapped away Konan's explosion during the first few moments of their fight
), he could use Mokuton to stand on higher ground, he could use giant shurikens to cut the flower I don't know but my point is the are many ways of dealing with it
Surely The caster is standing in a safe distance so the must be a FW free area he could Kamui behind the caster
That's true but have the decency to acknowledge that Obito also isn't going to stand around and let himself be put to sleep.
I'm a big Obito fan but I dOn't see him winning against Hashirama, don't get me wrong my argument is not that "Obito can defeat Hashirama" no I'm arguing against the manner in which you suggest he could be defeated
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Doesn't matter how fast it takes effect, once its used Obito is done after his Kamui limit is over.
How is he going to warp the pollen when he can't even grasp on to it in order to initiate the warp? He's not. That makes no sense.
He warped away the paper tags, not the explosion itself, that means nothing here.
Then all Hashirama needs to do is cut it down, though its not like he's shown Mokuton usage to that degree..so its moot.
I hope you are joking with the underlined....Shuriken aren't cutting through anything.
Its Hashirama's technique, there is no need for him to be out of the forest, not to mention he can merge with his own Mokuton in order to launch a sneak attack of a kind.
................Did I say that? That's one thing that gets annoying, people whining about how so and so isn't going to stand there and let this happen, despite them having zero ways of doing it..Try telling me how Obito counters the flower world and then we'll talk about him not getting put to sleep.
Well the manner I said he can be defeated is legit, your counters aren't.
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Ok, I was simply under the assumption that he sucked the explosion it's self since he said that in the anime I dOn't knOw about manga and also Kakashi was able to wrap away Deidara's explosion during their first encounte. Oh this is just an innocent question...was he grasping the paper tags when he wrapped them? because they had already exploded
Again I have to admit I only saw this when Madara was using it and he was out of the pollen's area of effect...Anyways if like you say that Obito can't count the pollen, then do you also believe that he also can't counter Deidara's C4 or Hanzo's breath? I'm not looking for a debate on this que just a simple answer just wanna know what you think
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BSM Naruto > MS Obito
BSM Naruto > Masked Man Obito with Rinnegan and Sharingan
BSM Naruto > Tobi with double sharingan
BSM Naruto > 14 years old Obito
BSM Naruto <<(or more) Ten tails host Obito
this is clear as day
If you want I can prove it with detailed explanation
BSM Naruto > Masked Man Obito with Rinnegan and Sharingan
BSM Naruto > Tobi with double sharingan
BSM Naruto > 14 years old Obito
BSM Naruto <<(or more) Ten tails host Obito
this is clear as day
If you want I can prove it with detailed explanation
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Kakashi's Kamui is different from Obito's, so mentioning it pointless. Also, Obito grabbed Konan and started to warp her thus warping away the paper bombs as they were extensions of her body. They exploded mid warp. [
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]Hanzo's Breath or C4 doesn't sit in the same area nor are they produced constantly. So no, he can phase right through it.