Reason why MS Obito is the strongest shinobi alive.

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I already said that Kakashi could build up a good fight .

I said no edos and dead people . Minato is both . Though I admit that Minato > Kamui Obito .

Kamui's speed > Naruto's speed .

Fanboying ? I've been saying facts on this thread i think...
You're basically refusing to believe that a manga proven fact is true. That's fanboying to a degree. Naruto in the manga has been fast enough to score a few blows on Obito before he can Kamui out. That's all the proof needed for us to know that Naruto is fast enough to hit him, and if he could hit Obito with a Rasenshuriken, he could kill him.
 
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Fallacious, as Kakashi can triumph over Uchiwa. This is solely subjective to Obito being cognizant of Kamui's ability which Uchiwa, exclusively became acquainted with while possessing Rin'negan [ ]. This implies that while Obito possessed unabridged intellect regarding his own utilization of Kamui, he was unaware of the contents behind Hatake's. If this is to be equitable, it is only wise to give opponents be abreast of while in said condition. [Mangekyō Sharingan Obito, Mangekyō Sharingan Kakashi].

In addition to such, we shan't give features that they only unveil in future states. For example, Obito hadn't shown the ability to employ Katon comparable to size Jūbi. He hadn't shown such features, so it is fair to presume he lacked it. In regards to Katon, this means that Obito only possesses Katon comparable to Basic Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu that utilized as Chūnnin. This is on said level. [ ]. Kakashi can easily evade his Katon as shown, with simply step to right/left [ ]. In regards to Mokuton, again only Obito while possessing Zetsu-Armor, has show cased ability to utilize such.

Moreover, genjutsu would result in failure as Obito failed to exact illusion upon Hatake [ ]. It didn't materialize to be as difficult as it should be implying weakness in genjutsu. Kakashi is in addition to such, plus robust [ ]. Kakashi is more swift as well [ ]. Kakashi is overall superior in regards to Taijutsu [including Bukijutsu] and can competently overcome Genjutsu. Main threat remains Kamui. However, Kakashi possesses a fair counter to such.. his own Kamui.

Kakashi, habitually produces Bunshin prior to attack [ ]. He utilizes them to recover information regarding opponents abilities and fighting styles which will co-ordinate well with Uchiwa's dazed combat fashion. Obito employed bring opponent into Kamui Dimension on multiple occasions. Against, Torune/Fū as well as attempting against Minato [ ]-[ ]. This implies this is Obito's main fashion of defeating opponent and as Kakashi utilizes Bunshin which Nagato who is in his own right, an exquisite sensor was unable to detect such. Obito who possesses sub-par sensory features in contrast, shan't know it's Bunshin.

Furthermore, only after attaining Rin'negan, has Obito shown ability to utilize Kamui on particular portions of his body, such as simply sending only his arms or legs et cetera. Prior, he sent his whole body - he wasn't able to do so, against Minato or Torune which led to Minato producing contact and leading to infamous scene [ ]. Had he possessed ability then to send whole body, then he would have led Minato pass through as Obito, according to thy has reaction time that can rival Ē and Uzumaki -- he should be able to react to Minato. Back to pedal, once Obito absorbs Hatake, Kakashi will produce another Bunshin to fight Obito and as Obito sends body parts to alternative dimension, Kakashi can simply utilize Raikiri [ ].

If Mangekyō Obito can defeat all living shinobi, he shall be able to prove victory over Kakashi, yet he cannot. In fact, Rin'negan Obito also deemed Kakashi superior...
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You're basically refusing to believe that a manga proven fact is true. That's fanboying to a degree. Naruto in the manga has been fast enough to score a few blows on Obito before he can Kamui out. That's all the proof needed for us to know that Naruto is fast enough to hit him, and if he could hit Obito with a Rasenshuriken, he could kill him.
wtf dude. where did naruto touch obito even once? with the help of kakashi? im not denying manga.
Minato soloed/thread
Lol at this guy.

do you even read the title of the thread
 

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Fallacious, as Kakashi can triumph over Uchiwa. This is solely subjective to Obito being cognizant of Kamui's ability which Uchiwa, exclusively became acquainted with while possessing Rin'negan [ ]. This implies that while Obito possessed unabridged intellect regarding his own utilization of Kamui, he was unaware of the contents behind Hatake's. If this is to be equitable, it is only wise to give opponents be abreast of while in said condition. [Mangekyō Sharingan Obito, Mangekyō Sharingan Kakashi].

In addition to such, we shan't give features that they only unveil in future states. For example, Obito hadn't shown the ability to employ Katon comparable to size Jūbi. He hadn't shown such features, so it is fair to presume he lacked it. In regards to Katon, this means that Obito only possesses Katon comparable to Basic Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu that utilized as Chūnnin. This is on said level. [ ]. Kakashi can easily evade his Katon as shown, with simply step to right/left [ ]. In regards to Mokuton, again only Obito while possessing Zetsu-Armor, has show cased ability to utilize such.

Moreover, genjutsu would result in failure as Obito failed to exact illusion upon Hatake [ ]. It didn't materialize to be as difficult as it should be implying weakness in genjutsu. Kakashi is in addition to such, plus robust [ ]. Kakashi is more swift as well [ ]. Kakashi is overall superior in regards to Taijutsu [including Bukijutsu] and can competently overcome Genjutsu. Main threat remains Kamui. However, Kakashi possesses a fair counter to such.. his own Kamui.

Kakashi, habitually produces Bunshin prior to attack [ ]. He utilizes them to recover information regarding opponents abilities and fighting styles which will co-ordinate well with Uchiwa's dazed combat fashion. Obito employed bring opponent into Kamui Dimension on multiple occasions. Against, Torune/Fū as well as attempting against Minato [ ]-[ ]. This implies this is Obito's main fashion of defeating opponent and as Kakashi utilizes Bunshin which Nagato who is in his own right, an exquisite sensor was unable to detect such. Obito who possesses sub-par sensory features in contrast, shan't know it's Bunshin.

Furthermore, only after attaining Rin'negan, has Obito shown ability to utilize Kamui on particular portions of his body, such as simply sending only his arms or legs et cetera. Prior, he sent his whole body - he wasn't able to do so, against Minato or Torune which led to Minato producing contact and leading to infamous scene [ ]. Had he possessed ability then to send whole body, then he would have led Minato pass through as Obito, according to thy has reaction time that can rival Ē and Uzumaki -- he should be able to react to Minato. Back to pedal, once Obito absorbs Hatake, Kakashi will produce another Bunshin to fight Obito and as Obito sends body parts to alternative dimension, Kakashi can simply utilize Raikiri [ ].

If Mangekyō Obito can defeat all living shinobi, he shall be able to prove victory over Kakashi, yet he cannot.

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im on mobile. gotta read it tomorrow. cannot debate now.
 
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Then who is MS Obito in the first place..?

U r using the word "MS Obito" to represent Obito with MS the same way He is using the word "Juubito" to represent Obito with the Juubi
Exactly ;)

With logic and Common sense, Obito beats > anyone.
Well it's no wonder he can't lose any battle I place him in. :rolleyes:
 

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Fallacious, as Kakashi can triumph over Uchiwa. This is solely subjective to Obito being cognizant of Kamui's ability which Uchiwa, exclusively became acquainted with while possessing Rin'negan [ ]. This implies that while Obito possessed unabridged intellect regarding his own utilization of Kamui, he was unaware of the contents behind Hatake's. If this is to be equitable, it is only wise to give opponents be abreast of while in said condition. [Mangekyō Sharingan Obito, Mangekyō Sharingan Kakashi].

In addition to such, we shan't give features that they only unveil in future states. For example, Obito hadn't shown the ability to employ Katon comparable to size Jūbi. He hadn't shown such features, so it is fair to presume he lacked it. In regards to Katon, this means that Obito only possesses Katon comparable to Basic Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu that utilized as Chūnnin. This is on said level. [ ]. Kakashi can easily evade his Katon as shown, with simply step to right/left [ ]. In regards to Mokuton, again only Obito while possessing Zetsu-Armor, has show cased ability to utilize such.

Moreover, genjutsu would result in failure as Obito failed to exact illusion upon Hatake [ ]. It didn't materialize to be as difficult as it should be implying weakness in genjutsu. Kakashi is in addition to such, plus robust [ ]. Kakashi is more swift as well [ ]. Kakashi is overall superior in regards to Taijutsu [including Bukijutsu] and can competently overcome Genjutsu. Main threat remains Kamui. However, Kakashi possesses a fair counter to such.. his own Kamui.

Kakashi, habitually produces Bunshin prior to attack [ ]. He utilizes them to recover information regarding opponents abilities and fighting styles which will co-ordinate well with Uchiwa's dazed combat fashion. Obito employed bring opponent into Kamui Dimension on multiple occasions. Against, Torune/Fū as well as attempting against Minato [ ]-[ ]. This implies this is Obito's main fashion of defeating opponent and as Kakashi utilizes Bunshin which Nagato who is in his own right, an exquisite sensor was unable to detect such. Obito who possesses sub-par sensory features in contrast, shan't know it's Bunshin.

Furthermore, only after attaining Rin'negan, has Obito shown ability to utilize Kamui on particular portions of his body, such as simply sending only his arms or legs et cetera. Prior, he sent his whole body - he wasn't able to do so, against Minato or Torune which led to Minato producing contact and leading to infamous scene [ ]. Had he possessed ability then to send whole body, then he would have led Minato pass through as Obito, according to thy has reaction time that can rival Ē and Uzumaki -- he should be able to react to Minato. Back to pedal, once Obito absorbs Hatake, Kakashi will produce another Bunshin to fight Obito and as Obito sends body parts to alternative dimension, Kakashi can simply utilize Raikiri [ ].

If Mangekyō Obito can defeat all living shinobi, he shall be able to prove victory over Kakashi, yet he cannot. In fact, Rin'negan Obito also deemed Kakashi superior...
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Logically he shlts on them. Other wise i agree.
No, he doesn't. Not a chance.

-Flower World puts him to sleep against the two legends.

-Clone feints allow Naruto to get a clone warped into the other dimension so he can take him out like that, sheer clone spam prevents him from warping anyone at all, and he doesn't have the firepower to take all of them out.

-Minato?

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Minato already shitted on Obito, now he has Izanagi, which won't help him beat Minato, useless Mokuton and Katon. He'd get raped again by any form of Minato.
 

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No, he doesn't. Not a chance.

-Flower World puts him to sleep against the two legends.

-Clone feints allow Naruto to get a clone warped into the other dimension so he can take him out like that, sheer clone spam prevents him from warping anyone at all, and he doesn't have the firepower to take all of them out.

-Minato?

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Minato already shitted on Obito, now he has Izanagi, which won't help him beat Minato, useless Mokuton and Katon. He'd get raped again by any form of Minato.
what you stated is true but with plot restrictions. [PNJ] [TNJ].

Logically without plot restrictions, no one can beat obito. Simple as that.
 

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what you stated is true but with plot restrictions. [PNJ] [TNJ].

Logically without plot restrictions, no one can beat obito. Simple as that.
PNJ wasn't involved in Minato beating Obito. The fact you turned to PNJ pretty much shows that nothing you believe on the matter is backed up by the manga.

-Minato shitted on Obito because he could counter Kamui, not because of plot. Simple as that.

-They clones into Kamuiland because they tricked Obito, not because of plot. Simple as that.

-Obito can't counter Flower World because its not in his arsenal, not because of plot. Simple as that.

Only a true fanboy would believe that rubbish.
 

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PNJ wasn't involved in Minato beating Obito. The fact you turned to PNJ pretty much shows that nothing you believe on the matter is backed up by the manga.

-Minato shitted on Obito because he could counter Kamui, not because of plot. Simple as that.

-They clones into Kamuiland because they tricked Obito, not because of plot. Simple as that.

-Obito can't counter Flower World because its not in his arsenal, not because of plot. Simple as that.

Only a true fanboy would believe that rubbish.
Minato countered a 14 year old obito who was entirely inexperienced with kamui and wasn't aware of Flying rajin Version 2.

Current Ms obito evolved exponentially countering BM naruto, Ay and Gated gai with no difficulty.

Minato vs MS obito is debatable mainly because kamui and FTG.


Naruto already got destroyed by kamui. Naruto's Clone went into kamui world only because of Kakashi and the fact that it was 4vs1.

Hashirama and madara don't have counters for kamui unless you create hypothetical situation.

No counter means you get one paneled.

Kamui is overpowered, reason why kishi split it.
 
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