Reason why hashirama always beat madara in the past

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As we know madara is a descendant of indra and hashirama a descendant of ashura and they were meant to fight to death.
But why madara always seem to lose to hashirama in the past?

The reason is very simple, the descendants of indra have the sharingan which is a less powerful version of the sharinnegan of the juubi while hashirama inherited the wood style and senjutsu which are techniques of the same level of the juubi.

So in conclusion madara always lost because his sharingan/MS is a degraded version of the juubi eye while the wood style was still wood style with or without the juubi for hashirama, there's a reason why hashirama could use the wood dragon which is a technique of the holy tree, the techniques of hashirama were at a smaller scale but the complexity of the jutsu stayed the same so it's only logical the one with the powers closer to the juubi wins.

Note:I am not a madara fanboy, i just thought this made sense.
 
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As we know madara is a descendant of indra and hashirama a descendant of ashura and they were meant to fight to death.
But why madara always seem to lose to hashirama in the past?

The reason is very simple, the descendants of indra have the sharingan which is a less powerful version of the sharinnegan of the juubi while hashirama inherited the wood style and senjutsu which are techniques of the same level of the juubi.

So in conclusion madara always lost because his sharingan/MS is a degraded version of the juubi eye while the wood style and senjutsu of hashirama were not degraded, they were at the same level of the juubi, so it's only logical the one with the powers closer to the juubi wins.

Note:I am not a madara fanboy, i just thought this made sense.

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Fo' real...
 

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Noooooooo!!!! your reason is wrong

The right reason is good always trump over bad plain and simple.
 

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Hashirama beat Madara's ass because he was a real shinobi.
 

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Fo' real...
my point here is that the juubi eye was degraded when passed down to the uchihas, while the wood style was still wood style with or without the juubi, there's a reason why hashirama could use the wood dragon which is a technique of the holy tree, the techniques of hashirama were at a smaller scale but the complexity of the jutsu stayed the same, remember hashirama knew the technique which put people within cocoons after IT.
 
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Hashirama beat Madara's ass because he was a real shinobi.

They both were .-.

OT: It's because he was stronger than Madara was at that time.
 

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Madara faked his death and didn't fight with all his best against hashi
 

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Madara negged hashirama tho in the war. That was because madara didn't fight hashirama at his full pontential which is the rinnegan.
 

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They both were .-.

OT: It's because he was stronger than Madara was at that time.

noo,that was just Madara being humble....in reall fight madara fakd his death and let hashi won to gain portion of his dna...reall fight started with rinne-Madara who sloed hashi in few minutes
 

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my point here is that the juubi eye was degraded when passed down to the uchihas, while the wood style was still wood style with or without the juubi, there's a reason why hashirama could use the wood dragon which is a technique of the holy tree, the techniques of hashirama were at a smaller scale but the complexity of the jutsu stayed the same

Yeah, but he never defeat Madara using his so called Shinju level mokuton but by using Ninja fighting style.
 

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my point here is that the juubi eye was degraded when passed down to the uchihas, while the wood style was still wood style with or without the juubi, there's a why hashirama could use the wood dragon which is a technique of the holy tree, the techniques of hashirama were at a smaller scale but the complexity of the jutsu stayed the same

The amount of nonsense in this post... Your argument is irrelevant, the fact that the Juubi has a Sharinnegan and Uchihas got the Sharingan is irrelevant.
 

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Fo' real...

If you paid attention to the small details in the manga, you would realize that the OP is right.

1) Hashirama's Wood Release is a variant/is very similar to the God Tree's power.

2) Hashirama's Wood Dragons and God Tree Dragons are exact duplicates.

3) Hashirama's DNA was the perfect catalyst for creation of White Zetsus which in thier base form are trees.

Hashirama's Wood Release is heavily connected to the God Tree/Juubi. We just don't know why and how yet.
 

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The amount of nonsense in this post... Your argument is irrelevant, the fact that the Juubi has a Sharinnegan and Uchihas got the Sharingan is irrelevant.

irrelevant huh?, where do you think uchihas got the sharingan from?
 

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noo,that was just Madara being humble....in reall fight madara fakd his death and let hashi won to gain portion of his dna...reall fight started with rinne-Madara who sloed hashi in few minutes

Let's be real, EMS Madara get mid-high diffed by Hashirama...

Rinnegan Madara negs anybody that doesn't have Rikudo Chakra.
 

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Or just that Hashirama was a better shinobi throughout their actual lives...

For what I've seen, Hashirama though an idiot, always seemed more calm and collected in a battlefield than Madara. And that's how he could win against the greatest Uchiha...
 

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That would mean Indra, Sasuke, and all the other incarnates that were not shown lost to Ashura in every fight they had.
 
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