reason sasuke beats nagato

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Fact so far amaretsu hasn't been shown as something that can be absorbed
Preta path dead

Fact amaretsu can be spread by both itachi & sasuke even blocking an opponents view
Animal path dead

Chidori negashi or sasunoo are defenses that can be use for offense
Human asura hungry dead

Fact while fire balls are used to prep kirin they still are dangerous/distractions

Fact sasuke's genjutsu is excellent! But add in his lightning blade creation & multiple summons catching negato off isn't a large task

But still its depending on beginning distance and the 1st attack negato my vote is sasuke 60% negato 35% tie 5%
 

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Genjutsu isn't going to work against someone who mastered the yin release at the age of 10 and capable to put genjutsu traps in an entire village
 

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Genjutsu isn't going to work against someone who mastered the yin release at the age of 10 and capable to put genjutsu traps in an entire village

Lol that's why frog sage song owned his ass too right?

He never mastered yin and yang, only the elements of chakra.
 

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I believe sasuke can beat nagato rather easily. I will get flamed for this but please read the post before jumping to conclusions

Kabuto noted that Nagato's greatest weakness was lack of mobility and not even his summon's couldn't over come it

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The reason itachi was able to land a hit on Nagato with susanoo was he got his back and nagato didn't have the help of his summons shared vision.

because of sasuke's ability to spam enton and enton projectiles it is safe to assume he would make short work of nagato's summons.

the next phase of battle is getting nagato's back. this shouldn't be a problem thanks to genjutsu. sasuke's genjutsu may be ineffective compared to itachi's but it is still pretty potent. it was enough to catch the likes of deidara off guard(who had been training to fight itachi's genjutsu)

sasuke would be able to out maneuver and get Nagato's back through genjutsu like this

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from here the match is over. sasuke either decapitates nagato or slaps his head off with susanoo or puts a chidoir through his heart.


alright hope you enjoyed

In the OP you forgot to add that it was a 1 vs 3 and Itachi was only able to blind the summoning because Kabuto attention was on Naruto and Bee. Nagato's attention is on Sasuke so it's not like he would just make his summonings stand there, he already shown to be able to sense when Amaterasu was going to be used so what would change with Enton spam? Nagato can use Deva path to push all the enton spam right back at Sasuke and it burns chakra too so it will burn Susanoo as well if hit so Sasuke would have to put it out or he can leave it on but since it takes Sasuke's chakra to stay up, Sasuke would be burning away chakra.

We have no idea if Genjutsu would work on Nagato, if it would then why didn't Itachi, who is better at genjutsus not use any on Nagato? He must have know it wouldn't work on the Rinnegen which is the creation of all jutsus. Only genjutsu shown to be used on Nagato was sound based genjutsu since the Rinnegan is useless against it. Even Itachi and Sasuke cant break a sound genjutsu 1 on 1, it took them both using genjutsu on each other to break out so take out genjutsu until we know more on that front.

You also have to note that because Kabuto was controlling Nagato, he wasn't fighting or moving as he wanted. Also you have to note that Nagato did not want to fight against Naruto, Bee and Itachi since he was on their side so even if he could have dodge or evade something why would he? He was warning them of his movements before so you can really use a fight where Nagato had no control and didn't want to fight. You would have to use the 6POP because that's what he would use while Sasuke wouldn't know where Nagato is.


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1. nagato never starts with ct
2. multiple susanoo arrows of this size make short work of ct
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You used a image where Sasuke had powerup from Naruto and Juugo though. When Naruto first gave Kakashi chakra it made his Kamui at least 3x stronger, when Naruto gave chakra to the alliance, Kakashi said it was even stronger so it's like 4x-6x stonger and when Naruto combined Yin-Yang Kurama chakra it became even stronger so that's like 7x-10x the power. Sasuke has 7x-10x the power he normally do plus the powerup Juugo gave. It took Naruto, Itachi and Bee to destroy CT. BM shown power to destroy it but Sasuke on his own power hasn't.

while preta counters sasuke arsenal it doesn't counter genjutsu. it wouldn't be able to save animal path from instant death. shinra tensei wouldn't protect nagato because he wouldn't know the attack is coming. I really don't see how nagato wins

You have no proof visual genjutsu work on Nagato though, Itachi didn't use any on him for a reason. Why use on Bee but not on Nagato? Sasuke only uses Visual genjutsus as far as we know. Again, why wouldn't Nagato who has a stronger vision than Sasuke not see an attack coming? Nagato was fighting 3 people, Nagato didn't want to fight them and Kabuto was controlling him. You can't use that and say Nagato wouldn't see and be able to counter Sasuke attacks when it's 1 on 1. Even when Itachi used amaterasu, Kabuto didn't know Itachi broke his control until he used Amaterasu on the summonings so it's not like he couldn't make them evade it, it's that he thought Itachi was using it on Naruto and Bee.

now read the op and counter instead of naming off nagato's abilities

the kybbui may be stronger than susanoo but 50% of the kyuubi and only 8 tails at that is not by a long shot

Wrong, Yang Kurama (which s 50%) in 8 tails mode is way stronger than Susanoo. You're not looking at Kurama's power right, Look at it this way, BM is the full power Kurama has and he was able to match a tbb which was the combined power of Bijuus 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7. So half of Kurama's power is still way stronger than the full powers of other Bijuus. Madara said PS is on Bijuu level, he didn't say a specific one so it's power average amongst the 9 Bijuus which would place it's powers around 5 tail Bijuu. If 9 tails Kurama power is equal to 5 Bijuus then 8 tail Kurama should be equal to 4 Bijuus. Susanoo is not suppose to be even to Kurama power wise, Kurama and all the Bijuus are the strongest chakras and Susanoo is a tool that Sasuk can use to fight on their level but not equal to their power.

stop reading the first sentence.

op didnt make nagato unmobile kishi did.

wow you didnt even try to diguse the trolling in your post

EMS = Can Spam

Sasuke is a uchiha is has intel on rinngan.

PS Susanno Arrow> Ct

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sasuke can beat nagato because he is immobile

Sasuke doesn't have PS and if he did couldn't Nagato just pull Sasuke out of Susanoo which would make it useless as well. And No Sasuke doesn't have intel on the Rinnegan, Itachi who is a Uchiha was asking Naruto about Nagato's abilities.

If Sasuke manages to use CM Susano'o on his own without Juugo then yes, he would beat Nagato. For now, I'll say that Nagato wins.

Slap yourself. Sasuke is the one who will shit on the Paths. :|

Even with CM Susanoo, Deva path power and Sasuke is pulled out of Susanoo and hit with the weapon's path laser. If it's the paths then Sasuke has no chance.

Stupid excuse on your part...

Nagato was being controlled and was able to sense the pressure of amatersu and beat up naruto and bee.

Even if he was free like itachi, nagato can't do sh*t he'll just take it up the a$$ again (totsukya) and apologize and call himself a failure again.

The manga just prove that susanoo users>>>>>any form and made up form of nagato.

Wrong, Nagato did sense Amaterasu before it was use but he warned Naruto about it, he didn't want to fight but still, Kabuto moved his body so Nagato couldn't stop himself. If Nagato was free then as the sword came he can push it away from him. The fact that Nagato can pull Susanoo users out of susanoo makes it Nagato> Susanoo users. Funny how you all use a Nagato who was fighting 3 people as an example. In a 1 on 1 Nagato would still have his shared vision via summoning and/or bodies. Itachi only blind the summonings because Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee.

Fact so far amaretsu hasn't been shown as something that can be absorbed
Preta path dead

Fact amaretsu can be spread by both itachi & sasuke even blocking an opponents view
Animal path dead

Chidori negashi or sasunoo are defenses that can be use for offense
Human asura hungry dead

Fact while fire balls are used to prep kirin they still are dangerous/distractions

Fact sasuke's genjutsu is excellent! But add in his lightning blade creation & multiple summons catching negato off isn't a large task

But still its depending on beginning distance and the 1st attack negato my vote is sasuke 60% negato 35% tie 5%

Amaterasu is chakra, Nagato can absorb all types of chakra as shown when Madara was able to absorb Jinton, a 3 element formed element. Itachi didn't even try using genjutsus, most likely they wouldn't be effective against the Rinnegan so unless you can show a visual genjutsu workin on a master of the Rinnegans don't se genjutsus. If Sasuke is in Susanoo, pull him out of it and hit him with missiles and a laser. Body Chidori can be absorbed.

Lol that's why frog sage song owned his ass too right?

He never mastered yin and yang, only the elements of chakra.

Jiraiya said Nagato mastered the six elements, pretty sure Yin-Yang is the sixth and if not then what? Frog song is a sound base genjutsu which Sasuke and Itachi were both unable to break out when Kabuto used one until they used genjutsus on each other so on 1 on 1 match they would have lost.
 

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Sasuke casting genjutsu on nagato....! XD :mad:_@: and itachi was able to do it because that ***** kabuto was obsessed with naruto...! it was 3 vs 1...! in 1 vs 1 itachi wouldn't have had time to even blink....! same goes for sasuke..! immobile nagato takes sasuke mid diff...! because then there will be only one opponent to focus on....!
 

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No, Susanoo can't withstand CT or Super ST.
 

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In the OP you forgot to add that it was a 1 vs 3 and Itachi was only able to blind the summoning because Kabuto attention was on Naruto and Bee. Nagato's attention is on Sasuke so it's not like he would just make his summonings stand there, he already shown to be able to sense when Amaterasu was going to be used so what would change with Enton spam? Nagato can use Deva path to push all the enton spam right back at Sasuke and it burns chakra too so it will burn Susanoo as well if hit so Sasuke would have to put it out or he can leave it on but since it takes Sasuke's chakra to stay up, Sasuke would be burning away chakra.

We have no idea if Genjutsu would work on Nagato, if it would then why didn't Itachi, who is better at genjutsus not use any on Nagato? He must have know it wouldn't work on the Rinnegen which is the creation of all jutsus. Only genjutsu shown to be used on Nagato was sound based genjutsu since the Rinnegan is useless against it. Even Itachi and Sasuke cant break a sound genjutsu 1 on 1, it took them both using genjutsu on each other to break out so take out genjutsu until we know more on that front.

You also have to note that because Kabuto was controlling Nagato, he wasn't fighting or moving as he wanted. Also you have to note that Nagato did not want to fight against Naruto, Bee and Itachi since he was on their side so even if he could have dodge or evade something why would he? He was warning them of his movements before so you can really use a fight where Nagato had no control and didn't want to fight. You would have to use the 6POP because that's what he would use while Sasuke wouldn't know where Nagato is.




You used a image where Sasuke had powerup from Naruto and Juugo though. When Naruto first gave Kakashi chakra it made his Kamui at least 3x stronger, when Naruto gave chakra to the alliance, Kakashi said it was even stronger so it's like 4x-6x stonger and when Naruto combined Yin-Yang Kurama chakra it became even stronger so that's like 7x-10x the power. Sasuke has 7x-10x the power he normally do plus the powerup Juugo gave. It took Naruto, Itachi and Bee to destroy CT. BM shown power to destroy it but Sasuke on his own power hasn't.



You have no proof visual genjutsu work on Nagato though, Itachi didn't use any on him for a reason. Why use on Bee but not on Nagato? Sasuke only uses Visual genjutsus as far as we know. Again, why wouldn't Nagato who has a stronger vision than Sasuke not see an attack coming? Nagato was fighting 3 people, Nagato didn't want to fight them and Kabuto was controlling him. You can't use that and say Nagato wouldn't see and be able to counter Sasuke attacks when it's 1 on 1. Even when Itachi used amaterasu, Kabuto didn't know Itachi broke his control until he used Amaterasu on the summonings so it's not like he couldn't make them evade it, it's that he thought Itachi was using it on Naruto and Bee.



Wrong, Yang Kurama (which s 50%) in 8 tails mode is way stronger than Susanoo. You're not looking at Kurama's power right, Look at it this way, BM is the full power Kurama has and he was able to match a tbb which was the combined power of Bijuus 2, 3, 5, 6, and 7. So half of Kurama's power is still way stronger than the full powers of other Bijuus. Madara said PS is on Bijuu level, he didn't say a specific one so it's power average amongst the 9 Bijuus which would place it's powers around 5 tail Bijuu. If 9 tails Kurama power is equal to 5 Bijuus then 8 tail Kurama should be equal to 4 Bijuus. Susanoo is not suppose to be even to Kurama power wise, Kurama and all the Bijuus are the strongest chakras and Susanoo is a tool that Sasuk can use to fight on their level but not equal to their power.



Sasuke doesn't have PS and if he did couldn't Nagato just pull Sasuke out of Susanoo which would make it useless as well. And No Sasuke doesn't have intel on the Rinnegan, Itachi who is a Uchiha was asking Naruto about Nagato's abilities.



Even with CM Susanoo, Deva path power and Sasuke is pulled out of Susanoo and hit with the weapon's path laser. If it's the paths then Sasuke has no chance.



Wrong, Nagato did sense Amaterasu before it was use but he warned Naruto about it, he didn't want to fight but still, Kabuto moved his body so Nagato couldn't stop himself. If Nagato was free then as the sword came he can push it away from him. The fact that Nagato can pull Susanoo users out of susanoo makes it Nagato> Susanoo users. Funny how you all use a Nagato who was fighting 3 people as an example. In a 1 on 1 Nagato would still have his shared vision via summoning and/or bodies. Itachi only blind the summonings because Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee.



Amaterasu is chakra, Nagato can absorb all types of chakra as shown when Madara was able to absorb Jinton, a 3 element formed element. Itachi didn't even try using genjutsus, most likely they wouldn't be effective against the Rinnegan so unless you can show a visual genjutsu workin on a master of the Rinnegans don't se genjutsus. If Sasuke is in Susanoo, pull him out of it and hit him with missiles and a laser. Body Chidori can be absorbed.



Jiraiya said Nagato mastered the six elements, pretty sure Yin-Yang is the sixth and if not then what? Frog song is a sound base genjutsu which Sasuke and Itachi were both unable to break out when Kabuto used one until they used genjutsus on each other so on 1 on 1 match they would have lost.

Lol look at this bullshit I'm reading, instead of pulling excuse out of your ass...

Post a manga scan.

Nagato can't repel totsukya kid, it is an astral projection.

No physical form

Susanoo users takes daily shits on nagato
 

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Lol look at this bullshit I'm reading, instead of pulling excuse out of your ass...

Post a manga scan.

Nagato can't repel totsukya kid, it is an astral projection.

No physical form

Susanoo users takes daily shits on nagato

So instead of actually countering his lengthy post, you hit out at his post? Laughable.

OT: No he doesn't. When he gets PS or when he can use CM V2 with his V3 Susano'o (legged version) then he wins.
 

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I believe sasuke can beat nagato rather easily. I will get flamed for this but please read the post before jumping to conclusions

Kabuto noted that Nagato's greatest weakness was lack of mobility and not even his summon's couldn't over come it

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The reason itachi was able to land a hit on Nagato with susanoo was he got his back and nagato didn't have the help of his summons shared vision.

because of sasuke's ability to spam enton and enton projectiles it is safe to assume he would make short work of nagato's summons.

the next phase of battle is getting nagato's back. this shouldn't be a problem thanks to genjutsu. sasuke's genjutsu may be ineffective compared to itachi's but it is still pretty potent. it was enough to catch the likes of deidara off guard(who had been training to fight itachi's genjutsu)

sasuke would be able to out maneuver and get Nagato's back through genjutsu like this

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from here the match is over. sasuke either decapitates nagato or slaps his head off with susanoo or puts a chidoir through his heart.


alright hope you enjoyed


At first I was gonna give you a chance and take this thread serious...until I read the bold part:|
 

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So instead of actually countering his lengthy post, you hit out at his post? Laughable.

OT: No he doesn't. When he gets PS or when he can use CM V2 with his V3 Susano'o (legged version) then he wins.

Instead of reading my first two post, you still remain ignorant of the manga scans I provided.

I showed an incomplete susanoo taking a nuke explosion from the juubi.

None of nagato's technique can pale in comparison to the juubi's mass explosion.

And in response you say no, that only a certain form of Sasuke can win because you said so?

No scans of any kind for proof, please tell me what purpose did this post serve?

Your say vs. the scans I've shown is completely pointless.

Next time you make a statement, back it up.
 
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