RealityCheck! Kakashi made the chidori because he couldn't add nature to the rasengan

[InfiniteMugen]

Sounds like a mistake. He literally says he can copy it up to that point, meaning he has, and they’red be no reason to copy it unless you didn’t know it, meaning he learned it like that(based on one scan). On the flip side, the other scan literally says he created the chidori because he couldn’t add lightning to the rasengan. He couldn’t have copied the rasengan without the sharingan, but he has chidori before he gets the sharingan, unless I’m missing something

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Sounds like a mistake. He literally says he can copy it up to that point, meaning he has, and they’red be no reason to copy it unless you didn’t know it, meaning he learned it like that(based on one scan). On the flip side, the other scan literally says he created the chidori because he couldn’t add lightning to the rasengan. He couldn’t have copied the rasengan without the sharingan, but he has chidori before he gets the sharingan, unless I’m missing something

Again when did he learn the rasengan? Before he made the chidori.


He created the chidori because he couldn't put a nature release into his rasengan.

Both predate Obito's "death" and Kakashi obtaining Obito's sharringan eye.

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Also he explanation of the sharringan by Konohamaru to NOT being able to copy complex moves and KKG.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Again when did he learn the rasengan? Before he made the chidori.


He created the chidori because he couldn't put a nature release into his rasengan.

Both predate Obito's "death" and Kakashi obtaining Obito's sharringan eye.

Also he explanation of the sharringan by Konohamaru to NOT being able to copy complex moves and KKG.

I get all that, but then what’s the point of trying to copy something you already know? Like why have him say that, if you’d turn down for like 2 seconds you’ll see I wasn’t disagreeing, simply pointing out the flaw of even making the statement to begin with, like why would he ever need to use the sharingan to copy anything he already knows well enough that he knows he can’t apply a nature to

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I get all that, but then what’s the point of trying to copy something you already know? Like why have him say that, if you’d turn down for like 2 seconds you’ll see I wasn’t disagreeing, simply pointing out the flaw of even making the statement to begin with, like why would he ever need to use the sharingan to copy anything he already knows well enough that he knows he can’t apply a nature to

I wasn't disagreeing with you I was just explaining the thought/scenario




He said copy as in not with his sharringan, since he learnt it before he even had the eye.

NOTE: Did anywhere in that speech bubble say sharringan? The answer is no.


He was talking about his past self, because again prior to that he said the chidori was made due to him not being able to add an element to the rasengan.


So again he learnt the rasengan before he made the chidori which was before he got the sharringan.

 

[Imp]

lol and you think Sasuke's chidori wasn't?

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They both used Kuruma's chakra because they were depleted

the fact that some people liked your post is even more lol worthy in ignorance

[Sub]Reading comprehension probably isn't your strong suit so I'll repeat again: Naruto's rasengan was entirely composed of bijuu chakra. In other words, it was anything but a 'plain ass' rasengan. I wasn't arguing what Sasuke's Chidori was made of, and I frankly don't care, as it has nothing to do with my original point.[/Sub]​

 

[Reviewing Logic]

[Sub]Reading comprehension probably isn't your strong suit so I'll repeat again: Naruto's rasengan was entirely composed of bijuu chakra. In other words, it was anything but a 'plain ass' rasengan. I wasn't arguing what Sasuke's Chidori was made of, and I frankly don't care, as it has nothing to do with my original point.[/Sub]​

Note the fact that again you are assuming I said it was naruto's own chakra


When both are using the same chakra.

Let alone the same fox, yet one had to use Amaterasu as well. while the other didn't. Then on the basis of an origin point/plane/starting point we would regard that clash as an Amaterasu chidori vs a PLAIN RASENGAN without any add ons.


Look at the title of the thread for a hint on what the subject was about. (Hint: It is about adding natures to something).


You are the one that has the reading comprehension and can't even read an OP before posting.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I wasn't disagreeing with you I was just explaining the thought/scenario




He said copy as in not with his sharringan, since he learnt it before he even had the eye.

NOTE: Did anywhere in that speech bubble say sharringan? The answer is no.


He was talking about his past self, because again prior to that he said the chidori was made due to him not being able to add an element to the rasengan.


So again he learnt the rasengan before he made the chidori which was before he got the sharringan.

Hmmm, actually that makes more sense. I guess the word copy in this manga usually makes your mind jump to sharingan, fair enough

 

[Imp]

Note the fact that again you are assuming I said it was naruto's own chakra


when both are using the same chakra

let alone the same fox and one has to had ameratsu while the other doesn't add anything else then on the basis of an origin point/plane/starting point it is a PLAIN RASENGAN without any add ons


look at the title of the thread for a hint


you are the one that has reading comprehension and can't even read an OP before posting

[Sub]Wew, the mental gymnastics you're exercising to prove a point that isn't even there is amusing. Quite clearly his chidori alone would have been enough to stalemate the rasengan, as evidenced by their previous encounters, but obviously Sasuke's goal wasn't to stalemate, it was to kill, hence the enton augment. And while it did increase the power of his chidori, it wasn't enough as it only tore off their arms. In layman's terms: bijuu chakra chidori + enton > bijuu rasengan, but the difference in power isn't all that great.[/Sub]​

 

[Reviewing Logic]

[Sub]Wew, the mental gymnastics you're exercising to prove a point that isn't even there is amusing. Quite clearly his chidori alone would have been enough to stalemate the rasengan, as evidenced by their previous encounters, but obviously Sasuke's goal wasn't to stalemate, it was to kill, hence the enton augment. And while it did increase the power of his chidori, it wasn't enough as it only tore off their arms. In layman's terms: bijuu chakra chidori + enton > bijuu rasengan, but the difference in power isn't all that great.[/Sub]​

if it was greater then Naruto would have suffered more damage

yet their arm wound is identical

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this wasn't like their first clash of curse mark vs 1 tail

 

[Imp]

if it was greater then Naruto would have suffered more damage

yet their arm wound is identical

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this wasn't like their first clash of curse mark vs 1 tail

[Sub]Yes, because Sasuke was caught in it as well :elmo:. If you remove both Naruto and Sasuke from the equation and clash the aforementioned, the augmented chidori is stronger. [/Sub]​

 

[Reviewing Logic]

[Sub]Yes, because Sasuke was caught in it as well :elmo:. If you remove both Naruto and Sasuke from the equation and clash the aforementioned, the augmented chidori is stronger. [/Sub]​

I see and you have scans for that?


OF COURSE YOU DO :sdo3:

 

[New Dawn]

Chidori is a piercing jutsu. Entirely offensive because of its precise nature.

Rasengan is a drill-like jutsu.

IMO Rasengan is stronger because it has both offensive and defense capabilities.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Oh by the way

You can't copy Chidori with the Sharringan as well.


Both are A RANK MOVES.... AKA to complex to copy

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[Imp]

I see and you have scans for that?


OF COURSE YOU DO :sdo3:

[Sub]It's called using your brain, you should try it sometime. If Ninja A fires an A ranked jutsu against Ninja B's B ranked jutsu (providing that there are no elemental weaknesses), and both ninjas are equally caught in the blast, obviously they are going to suffer similar damage. And from the damage suffered, you wouldn't be able to tell which jutsu was stronger, well, because of the simple fact that they were both equally caught in it. Howbeit, if you remove both ninjas, and both jutsus clashed, then obviously the stronger jutsu, in this case Ninja A's jutsu, will - although weakened - emerge superior. I'm getting quite tired of explaining ABC logic to you, this'll be my last reply.[/Sub]​

 

[Reviewing Logic]

[Sub]It's called using your brain, you should try it sometime. If Ninja A fires an A ranked jutsu against Ninja B's B ranked jutsu (providing that there are no elemental weaknesses), and both ninjas are equally caught in the blast, obviously they are going to suffer similar damage. And from the damage suffered, you wouldn't be able to tell which jutsu was stronger, well, because of the simple fact that they were both equally caught in it. Howbeit, if you remove both ninjas, and both jutsus clashed, then obviously the stronger jutsu, in this case Ninja A's jutsu, will - although weakened - emerge superior. I'm getting quite tired of explaining ABC logic to you, this'll be my last reply.[/Sub]​

Again with the "using your brain"

I guess that means what it means when it only applies to WHAT YOU WANT.

Unless you want me to spout fanfic too about all my random hopes and dreams? :elmo:

Kakashi made the chidori as an after effect of failing to complete the rasengan.

Thank the rasengan for giving the chidori the chance to exist.


Also both the Rasengan and Chidori are A rank moves.

If one is stronger it would overwhelm the other and the trajectory would be in favour of the stronger side.

it wouldn't be a symmetrical explosion, especially when that said move was being pushed by a moving force.


Stop using your bias opinion as fact. Let alone a bias opinion that has lies written in it as well.

 

[Imp]

Kakashi made the chidori as an after effect of failing to complete the rasengan.

Thank the rasengan for giving the chidori the chance to exist.

[Sub]Lmaooo. Dawg, are you okay in the head? I have not once argued against that point. It's quite clear from the manga scan posted earlier.[/Sub]​

Also both the Rasengan and Chidori are A rank moves.

[Sub]And? Enton makes chidori at least one rank stronger? Lol, yeah you can have fun going in circles, I'm out.[/Sub]​

 

[Reviewing Logic]

[Sub]Lmaooo. Dawg, are you okay in the head? I have not once argued against that point. It's quite clear from the manga scan posted earlier.[/Sub]​

[Sub]And? Enton makes chidori at least one rank stronger? Lol, yeah you can have fun going in circles, I'm out.[/Sub]​

But yet it couldn't defeat/overpower that rasengan in a clash.


There is something called a wide margin in a rank. You can fill something in the A rank but have something being lower then it which is also an A rank. It just means that lower move a top tier move A rank move compared some other A ranks and some lower non A rank moves.

Also what happened to you weren't talking about it LOSING to a rasengan? Goes to show your intention was denying the said clash all along.

Anyway, good bye.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Sasuke had ample time to copy the Rasegan, but he didn't
I would've used made up assumptions as well if the sharringan can copy ALL ninjutsu


too bad it can't

The rasengan isn't the run of the mill ninjutsu, it is an A RANK tech

Sasuke not using it make it irrelevant to the fact that it can be copied. Just as kakashi never uses it in combat even though he had it for so many years.

Anyway the databook confirms copying ability of whatever is necessary to bring a jutsu into existence. The only difference is does the user have the capacity to use the jutsu or does it require training to develop your skills and bring them up to scratch.

Konohamaru's statement is probaby referring to S rank jutsu and secondly the Mitsuki scan was in reference to Boruto and not the Sharingan. The fact that Rasengan has been copied through observation and replicated in Minato's case and literally in Kakashi's case shows it can be done. If non Sharingan Users can copy it then a Sharingan user can copy it. Will they use it or not is down to them personally. This doesn't mean you don't have to train a jutsu though or rather the chakra build up etc.

I'm not really into repeating myself.

 

[Uverdore9]

Lmfao. Trololololololololol. Thread's based on misinformation. But never ever ever. Argue with Reviewing logic. He never takes the factors of statements and contexts and don't appreciate constructive criticism. People should learn how to read before creating threads. Kakashi said this "I can copy A rank level techniques". Rasengan is A-rank technique. He created the Chidori because he couldn't induce his Nature affinity which's lightning with his Rasengan which he copied from the Fourth Fire Shadow. It's a matter of combination not Copying so quit it. Reality check? Maybe you should OP. NB's going way low in standards. Databook outright states Sharingan copies chakra, handseals and everything which makes a technique be formed by it's user and records it in it's mind for doing in future/if has the skill currently do it on spot. How someone fails to understand such a simple context and page is beyond me. Dude said Kirin's controlled through chakra what did I expect. Kakashi has all Nature Affinities. Which manga you reading. Why the hell's Kakashi so surprised at Kakuzu using all 5 elements masterfully. Because he could definitely accomplish that feat right. Kakashi said this "You cannot master all these 5 elements without having an affinity to it" clearly referring to the fact Kakashi has all 5 element affinities right. Trololol. Why did Sasuke claim you've to hide your hand seals while fighting a sharingan user. Just for comedic relief I think. Sharingan sees chakra and records it's patterns of chakra flows. Rasengan's unique chakra flow would be recorded and recreated in no time. Konohamaru spoke about Hidden techniques which require special energy to use like Tayuya genjutsu and Shikamaru's shadow stitch. Choji's Bullet tank + Calorie Wings. Ino's mind transfer. Rasengan unless is a Hidden technique would be replicated through copying. Note the fact that Sharingan can copy every technique the using of said technique is where the problem starts arising. Madara used Hashirama's Blood Line Limit from copying in his EMS days and replicated it in War Arc. You just need the bodily requirement and special chakra requirement to replicate special/blood lines/summoning techniques/forbidden techniques which implant equipment into your body like Kakuzu's hearts and Deidara's mouths which's techniques cannot be copied unless you've the said mouths/hearts yourself. Other than that everything can be copied. No questions asked. Or said. Sharingan's true power arises when two eyes are in co-existence. A mediocre user like Kakashi who only has one eye can copy all A-rank techniques and use it. What do you think a double eyed Uchiha would be capable of. Double eyed sharingan's true power arises when it's in the original user's sockets. Kakashi is two times below Uchiha in the skill of copying. Reason people don't copy techniques because Uchiha's one pride-driven clan. Madara never uses the same technique again. He could've raped the alliance with a million Heavenly Planetary Meteors as for that matter.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Sasuke not using it make it irrelevant to the fact that it can be copied. Just as kakashi never uses it in combat even though he had it for so many years.

Anyway the databook confirms copying ability of whatever is necessary to bring a jutsu into existence. The only difference is does the user have the capacity to use the jutsu or does it require training to develop your skills and bring them up to scratch.

Konohamaru's statement is probaby referring to S rank jutsu and secondly the Mitsuki scan was in reference to Boruto and not the Sharingan. The fact that Rasengan has been copied through observation and replicated in Minato's case and literally in Kakashi's case shows it can be done. If non Sharingan Users can copy it then a Sharingan user can copy it. Will they use it or not is down to them personally. This doesn't mean you don't have to train a jutsu though or rather the chakra build up etc.

I'm not really into repeating myself.

Probably, maybe and I hope isn't cutting it Sal.

The databook again still doesn't say ALL ninjutsu and you can try as you want but Konohamaru didn't say S rank only tech.

Sasuke had a chance to copy the rasengan, he didn't, he had a chance to copy the chidori, he didn't. BOTH A RANK MOVES

Even Sarada has ample time to copy it (Saw it at least 3 times being used by Boruto)

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