RealityCheck! Kakashi made the chidori because he couldn't add nature to the rasengan

[Reviewing Logic]

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So stop saying he copied it with his Sharringan.​

Heck it predates his acquiring of Obito's eye.

This just gives Konohamaru's and Mitsuki's explanation of advance moves not being copy-able as complete and utter TRUTH.

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Also SIDE NOTE: Kakashi can copy other elemental moves because he had that affinity. HE HAD all the affinities that weren't KKG.

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[Askeladd]

Good thread, no idea why some people are saying that Sarada could copy the Rasengan. :lol

 

[Reviewing Logic]

This line he uses AFTER stating the age he learnt the move from his master, the rasengan means that he learnt it but couldn't complete it with a nature add on

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So he made the chidori instead.

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it is a reactionary tale of him failing to complete his training to complete the rasengan so he made another move instead

it is like not getting the best thing so you create the second best

 

[Jiren]

How come you don't post the page where he says he copied a part of the 4ths jutsu.

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Sharingan can analyze rasengan but copying it is user dependent.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

How come you don't post the page where he says he copied a part of the 4ths jutsu.

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Sharingan can analyze rasengan but copying it is user dependent.

read my post above

again he was talking about him learning the said move as a kid

copying his masters rasengan when he was part of TEAM Minato but failing to add nature to it


Him learning rasengan predates him making chidori that predates him having the sharringan

unless you want to ignore the pages literally above the said post




What we have here is a common case of CHERRY PICKING

Ignoring the rest of his speech in order to take words out of context.

 

[Jiren]

read my post above

again he was talking about him learning the said move as a kid

copying his masters rasengan when he was part of TEAM Minato but failing to add nature to it


Him learning rasengan predates him making chidori that predates him having the sharringan

unless you want to ignore the pages literally above the said post




What we have here is a common case of CHERRY PICKING

Ignoring the rest of his speech and talking words out of context.

But I didn't say he copied rasengan lmfao. Calm down and read what I said again

 

[Reviewing Logic]

But I didn't say he copied rasengan lmfao. Calm down and read what I said again

Again his use of copy is him learning the move

Sharringan literally just sees it and does it at the same time


It is an A rank move

Konohamaru already stated that the Sharringan can't copy complex moves

and I haven't seen Sasuke or an Uchiha copy the rasengan when hey had the opportunity



So AGAIN trying to make things out of nothing without ever having a scenario where it happened means it can't happen at all

 

[Jiren]

Again his use of copy is him learning the move

Sharringan literally just sees it and does it at the same time


It is an A rank move

Konohamaru already stated that the Sharringan can't copy complex moves

and I haven't seen Sasuke or an Uchiha copy the rasengan when hey had the opportunity



So AGAIN trying to make things out of nothing without ever having a scenario where it happened means it can't happen at all

Why would Sasuke copy the rasengan? He could have copied shadow clones easily but he didn't did he? So why would he copy naruto signature move when he thought naruto was below him and he didn't bother using his other moves as well.

The sharingan can analyze any jutsu so if they know how it works they can possibly use it. But it still takes skill and not everyone will be able to use the rasengan in one glance.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Why would Sasuke copy the rasengan? He could have copied shadow clones easily but he didn't did he? So why would he copy naruto signature move when he thought naruto was below him and he didn't bother using his other moves as well.

The sharingan can analyze any jutsu so if they know how it works they can possibly use it. But it still takes skill and not everyone will be able to use the rasengan in one glance.

Why would?!

Okay enough, you can't copy it. END OF.

ALL the arguments you made are literally saying because I said so, in a what if scenario.

A scenario not backed by the series AT ALL be it manga, DB, and/or anime.

I wonder why Sasuke would want Rasengan? I guess because Kakashi made the chidori because he failed to complete the Rasengan

Aka Rasengan is the harder move.


Plus Sasuke had to do an Amaeratsu Chidori to counter a plain ass Naruto rasengan

Guess that is reason enough.... He even copied shadow clone.

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Bring your actual scan of it ever being copied by Sharringan and another scan where it is stated Sharringan can copy complex moves.

 

[salamander uchiha]

If Kakashi had been taught it by the 4th he would've said he learnt the rasengan not copied it.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

If Kakashi had been taught it by the 4th he would've said he learnt the rasengan not copied it.

He learnt it BEFORE he created chidori

regardless of what methods he used to acquire, it is pointless to the conversation as the rasegan is an A RANK tech wasn't copied by the sharringan.

 

[Nick01]

Well that settles the debate about Sharingan being able to copy the Rasengan.

Good thread.

 

[salamander uchiha]

He learnt it BEFORE he created chidori

regardless of what methods he acquired it is pointless as it, an A RANK tech wasn't copied by the sharringan.

I doubt it, if Kakashi copied it without Sharingan then that confirms two things. If Jutsu have the possibility of being copied by non Sharingan users, then a sharingan user who can see it at an even deeper level and memorise everything necessary to vring a jutsu into existence can definitley copy it. There is the condition of having the skill to pergorm the jutsu of course.

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Spoiler:*Databook 1 - Sharingan*

Kekkei Genkai: Sharingan
Users: Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Sasuke
Support, Short, Mid, Long ranges. Rank: none.

Main text

The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha's finest lineage, the Uchiha clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma*-shaped markings in one's pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

The Sharingan's true power, in addition to the threat posed by its insight...*is its copying ability, that of making one's own any technique one sets eyes upon. Chakra, handseals... all the principles bringing the jutsu into existence will be recorded into the caster's memory in the blink of an eye, making its utilization possible.*Of course, the necessary volume of chakra and physical ability requirements must be met, but should one find themselves in some kind of dire situation, the Uchiha blood will demonstrate its accumulated experience, and never will those who have inherited it know any limits (tn: i.e even if you can't use the jutsu you've copied, the info will still prove most useful provided you can rub two brain cells together)!!

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-The Uchiha clan's God-given, clairvoyant doujutsu, transmitted by blood!!

-Seeing through something and duplicating its principles for oneself.

the databook entry for the Sharingan pay attention to the bold parts please.

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Also the context for Kakashi's statement is misunderstood and its not in reference to him learning Rasengan and failing to combine it. But it's in response to Naruto's statement that he'll be churning out new jutsu in no time. Naruto thought because he'd mastered a change in chakra and already had a change in form he'd be learning all sorts of jutsu. Kakashi stopped him saying its not that easy to combine changes in nature and form and that's why he made Chidori. Kakashi's initial remark in no way is referencing the rasengan because after that Kakashi continues that he wants to show him something interesting and then shows Naruto the Rasengan. If Kakashi was referring to himself failing to combine the rasengan and lightning nature beforehand there would be no need to show Naruto the rasengan afterwards or utter such a statement.

 

[Jiren]

Why would?

Okay enough you lost you can't copy it

ALL your arguments are literally saying because I said so in a what if scenario.



I wonder why Sasuke would want Rasengan? I guess because Kakashi made the chidori because he failed to complete the Rasengan


Aka Rasengan is the harder move.


Plus Sasuke had to do an Amaeratsu Chidori to counter a plain ass Naruto rasengan



Guess that is reason enough.... He even copied shadow clone.

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Bring your actual scan of it ever being copied by Sharringan and another scan where it is stated Sharringan can copy complex moves.

Dude im talking about part 1 Sasuke. Why would he copy rasegan. Surely you're not implying Sasuke couldn't learn the rasegan. You must be a retard. Why am i talking to a hyuuga fap. Never argue with a hyuuga fap.


Once again I said Sharingan can analyze any jutsu and that includes the rasengan. Its up to the individual whether they can copy it or not. Sharingan is just a tool but the user is what makes the tool great.

 

[Imp]

Plus Sasuke had to do an Amaeratsu Chidori to counter a plain ass Naruto rasengan

[Sub]Except that rasengan was entirely composed of bijuu chakra, so by default it was stronger than his base rasengan.[/Sub]​

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

bro kakashi couldnt add lighting to rasangan because rasangan is the pinnacle of charka shape , literally below the bijuu bomb(which is impossible without a BIJUU). adding a nature charka to the rasangan would be impossible for kakashi to master like anyone else(4thhokage/jiraya) cause that would take years of training(hence that only naruto could do cause hes a beast at SC) and charka.

anyone can learn all five basic elements (shikamara had the whole shinobi alliance learn earth wall in a minute) which is a basic shape and element.

now if were talking about bourto who so happened to mistakenly infused nature charka in a peee size rasengan(same thing as a rasangan that naruto can use in "the last") bourto in two years could probably master perfect shape with all the basic natures.(so five different styles) . naruto bijuu

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are all different releases but could only be done with the help of the bijuu and are more complicated natures than the basics.

 

[Reboryushon]

Even more amazing is that by the words of Yamato, Naruto has a natural talent and intuition.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

So Kakashi or even Minato being a genius ninjas at really young age couldnt do something but Naruto did? Also, one of the reasons could be that Kakashi or Minato didnt have the right element to add to Rasengan (Wind) If Konohamaru was able to add wind to rasengan in Boruto anime i dont see why couldnt Minato or Kakashi do it. In any case Kakashi still made superior Chidori into Raikiri

On another note - One of the reason why Naruto was able to add wind to rasengan and make rasenshuriken because one of the clones were adding the wind element

 

[Greatness23]

Well lightining paired with a hyper rotating jutsu wasn't a good match anyway

 

[Reviewing Logic]

[Sub]Except that rasengan was entirely composed of bijuu chakra, so by default it was stronger than his base rasengan.[/Sub]​

lol and you think Sasuke's chidori wasn't?

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They both used Kuruma's chakra because they were depleted

the fact that some people liked your post is even more lol worthy in ignorance

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I doubt it, if Kakashi copied it without Sharingan then that confirms two things. If Jutsu have the possibility of being copied by non Sharingan users, then a sharingan user who can see it at an even deeper level and memorise everything necessary to vring a jutsu into existence can definitley copy it. There is the condition of having the skill to pergorm the jutsu of course.

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Spoiler:*Databook 1 - Sharingan*

Kekkei Genkai: Sharingan
Users: Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Sasuke
Support, Short, Mid, Long ranges. Rank: none.

Main text

The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha's finest lineage, the Uchiha clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma*-shaped markings in one's pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

The Sharingan's true power, in addition to the threat posed by its insight...*is its copying ability, that of making one's own any technique one sets eyes upon. Chakra, handseals... all the principles bringing the jutsu into existence will be recorded into the caster's memory in the blink of an eye, making its utilization possible.*Of course, the necessary volume of chakra and physical ability requirements must be met, but should one find themselves in some kind of dire situation, the Uchiha blood will demonstrate its accumulated experience, and never will those who have inherited it know any limits (tn: i.e even if you can't use the jutsu you've copied, the info will still prove most useful provided you can rub two brain cells together)!!

Captions

-The Uchiha clan's God-given, clairvoyant doujutsu, transmitted by blood!!

-Seeing through something and duplicating its principles for oneself.

the databook entry for the Sharingan pay attention to the bold parts please.

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Also the context for Kakashi's statement is misunderstood and its not in reference to him learning Rasengan and failing to combine it. But it's in response to Naruto's statement that he'll be churning out new jutsu in no time. Naruto thought because he'd mastered a change in chakra and already had a change in form he'd be learning all sorts of jutsu. Kakashi stopped him saying its not that easy to combine changes in nature and form and that's why he made Chidori. Kakashi's initial remark in no way is referencing the rasengan because after that Kakashi continues that he wants to show him something interesting and then shows Naruto the Rasengan. If Kakashi was referring to himself failing to combine the rasengan and lightning nature beforehand there would be no need to show Naruto the rasengan afterwards or utter such a statement.

Dude im talking about part 1 Sasuke. Why would he copy rasegan. Surely you're not implying Sasuke couldn't learn the rasegan. You must be a retard. Why am i talking to a hyuuga fap. Never argue with a hyuuga fap.


Once again I said Sharingan can analyze any jutsu and that includes the rasengan. Its up to the individual whether they can copy it or not. Sharingan is just a tool but the user is what makes the tool great.

Sasuke had ample time to copy the Rasegan, but he didn't
I would've used made up assumptions as well if the sharringan can copy ALL ninjutsu


too bad it can't

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The rasengan isn't the run of the mill ninjutsu, it is an A RANK tech