Real Reason why Fukasaku said "Naruto surpassed those who came before him"

[bashkim]

Re: Real Reason why Fukasaku said "Naruto surpassed those who came before him"

It makes no sense the whole Manga contradicted itself. Kishi make many illogical chapters.

 

[phantomlord22]

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nice thread

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Alive minato had no SM

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His chakra wasnt enough, he has it due to edo tensei.

 

[bashkim]

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This is the reason why it makes no sense. If he was able to used why he did used against Kurama . I mean Minato is on of my favourite Characters. He his very smart and possess lots of jutsus .

 

[ajpn920]

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Alive minato had no SM

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His chakra wasnt enough, he has it due to edo tensei.

Bwahaha! Mr. Einstein has spoken..damm..you're genius! Edo Tensei can boost chakra now and makes someone enter sage mode! The smartest kid in NB!

 

[KCMNaruto]

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I think you're jumping on conclusions too quickly. Minato already did a "Senjutsu Rasengan" Also he's a perfect SM user meaning he was trained by Fukasaku himself! That means he too went through Frgo Fuu training and all. Also danger sensing is given in perfect SM

Madara is simply too fast for him to react, and it was Minato who attacked, Madara countered to which Minato lacked physically U_U

@bold part is assumption, logical one but still assumption. Even if he was trained by Fukusaku himself then question is if he finished his training at all.

I mean based on the scans I posted below. Minato may be able to enter perfect Sage mode for first time in the same day when he died in defence of Konoha. In other words he may still has all passive traits of Sage mode but lacks all traits which need to be activated in sage mode. It could also prove that Minato does not know Frog Katas.

see my post below for further explanation.

Has Perfect SM, this guy says he lacks the things that Perfect SM gives...smh. You clearly don't make any sense.

Frog Kata
Danger Sensing
Enhanced reflexes

That's what all Perfect Sages get, meaning Minato has it unless you can prove he isn't a Perfect Sage.

Bolded part, I can debunk easily your claim that Perfect Sage equal knowing and being able to use Frog Katas.

Proof:

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^^ Naruto having perfect Sage mode

then:

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^^ See Frog Katas is final step of learning Senjutsu. Entering Sage mode is only part of it.

I keep my claim that Minato can not use Frog Katas. TO be honest I believe although Minato was able to enter perfect Sage mode... then he is still unfamilliar with this mode perks as: enhanced danger sensing, better reaction time even although all of them are passive traits so he has them but he may be unaware of them so he can not utilize them well in battle.

The most difference lays in Naruto being able to use FRS which in Sage mode is super powerfull. Naruto can enter Sennin mode faster then Minato, Naruto can uses clones in Sage mode and use them to enter Sennin mode and the last very important could be that Naruto knows Frog Katas and Minato doesn't

Feel free to disagree but this is how I see it

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Bwahaha! Mr. Einstein has spoken..damm..you're genius! Edo Tensei can boost chakra now and makes someone enter sage mode! The smartest kid in NV!

It better explanation then minato having SM but never using it especially when he was excluded from those who had chakra for SM list.

Another thing to mention: Minato took time FTGing kurama yet effortlessly FTGed juubi TBB. Edo tensei power

 

[ajpn920]

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It better explanation then minato having SM but never using it especially when he was excluded from those who had chakra for SM list.

Another thing to mention: Minato took time FTGing kurama yet effortlessly FTGed juubi TBB. Edo tensei power

The revived person follows my orders, can't be killed and is able to use all their ORIGINAL TECHNIQUES

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Is it still hard for you to figure things out?

 

[Dantee]

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nah this absolutely retarded. I only see Minato fanboys agreeing.

 

[xcoyote]

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Seriously ?

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[AlphaScythian]

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Is it still hard for you to figure things out?

There is nothing to figure. Edo tensei doesnt prevent from learning new things. Did he have BM while alive? No

My point is very simple, he could have the theory on SM but he had no chakra for it, with edo tensei he got it.

 

[Ovan]

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If Minato indeed finished it all and went through the training completely, he may have said that to Naruto because he was getting it done much quicker then before because of the clones even when he cold not merge with the toads like J-Man.

 

[darthvader5666]

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I agree. Well, we can say now that Minato was the strongest Kage

Hashirama says hi.

 

[Minator93]

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nice thread

Thanks

Alive minato had no SM

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His chakra wasnt enough, he has it due to edo tensei.

Lel this guy

@bold part is assumption, logical one but still assumption. Even if he was trained by Fukusaku himself then question is if he finished his training at all.

I mean based on the scans I posted below. Minato may be able to enter perfect Sage mode for first time in the same day when he died in defence of Konoha. In other words he may still has all passive traits of Sage mode but lacks all traits which need to be activated in sage mode. It could also prove that Minato does not know Frog Katas.

see my post below for further explanation.

Bolded part, I can debunk easily your claim that Perfect Sage equal knowing and being able to use Frog Katas.

Proof:

Spoiler

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^^ Naruto having perfect Sage mode

then:

Spoiler

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^^ See Frog Katas is final step of learning Senjutsu. Entering Sage mode is only part of it.

I keep my claim that Minato can not use Frog Katas. TO be honest I believe although Minato was able to enter perfect Sage mode... then he is still unfamilliar with this mode perks as: enhanced danger sensing, better reaction time even although all of them are passive traits so he has them but he may be unaware of them so he can not utilize them well in battle.

The most difference lays in Naruto being able to use FRS which in Sage mode is super powerfull. Naruto can enter Sennin mode faster then Minato, Naruto can uses clones in Sage mode and use them to enter Sennin mode and the last very important could be that Naruto knows Frog Katas and Minato doesn't

Feel free to disagree but this is how I see it

Now why would Minato do SM training during Kushina's pregnancy? Is it possible for a Hokage to leave the village to train? Heck no.

What was Minato doing before he became the Hokage? He was fighting the 3rd shinobi war. So it's clear as a day that Minato had SM way before that, way before he became Kakashi's sensei. I remember in a flashback Jiraya telling a kid Minato about being the child of the prophecy, Minato most likely got the SM doing his late teens. Also he surpassed Jiraya, meaning he was trained by Fukasaku, since you don't surpass your teacher the day you learn something U_U

Minato has all SM the things that SM Naruto has, except FRS U_U

Hashirama says hi.

Debatable U_U

 

[KCMNaruto]

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Now why would Minato do SM training during Kushina's pregnancy? Is it possible for a Hokage to leave the village to train? Heck no.

What was Minato doing before he became the Hokage? He was fighting the 3rd shinobi war. So it's clear as a day that Minato had SM way before that, way before he became Kakashi's sensei. I remember in a flashback Jiraya telling a kid Minato about being the child of the prophecy, Minato most likely got the SM doing his late teens. Also he surpassed Jiraya, meaning he was trained by Fukasaku, since you don't surpass your teacher the day you learn something U_U

Minato has all SM the things that SM Naruto has, except FRS, Frog Katas and expierience with utlizing that mode in battle U_U

@Bold part... well I am not sure. However there is nothing prove or disprove this idea.
@underline part, scan please ?

Even if this is true... it could mean that Minato began his Senjutsu training as young one... but he may had little to no time so his Sage training would stretch a lot in time taking him years to finally finish it. In other words It is very likely that Minato just mastered and was able to enter Perfect Sage mode just before Kushina was pregnant. It would make sense as Minato would feel inexperienced with Sennin mode to use it in fight against Obito. Maybe it was simply not his style of fighting as he could not utilze it well and adapt in his style of fighting.

@Italic part... yes Minato has surprassed Jirayia... that for sure. However I didn't say that Minato had to begin and finish his Senjutsu trening in one day lol. Sorry If I made impression of such statement but I meant that He finished it in that day.

@Red colored font, fixed for you

 

[Minator93]

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@Bold part... well I am not sure. However there is nothing prove or disprove this idea.
@underline part, scan please ?

Even if this is true... it could mean that Minato began his Senjutsu training as young one... but he may had little to no time so his Sage training would stretch a lot in time taking him years to finally finish it. In other words It is very likely that Minato just mastered and was able to enter Perfect Sage mode just before Kushina was pregnant. It would make sense as Minato would feel inexperienced with Sennin mode to use it in fight against Obito. Maybe it was simply not his style of fighting as he could not utilze it well and adapt in his style of fighting.

@Italic part... yes Minato has surprassed Jirayia... that for sure. However I didn't say that Minato had to begin and finish his Senjutsu trening in one day lol. Sorry If I made impression of such statement but I meant that He finished it in that day.

@Red colored font, fixed for you

Minato was way talented than Naruto U_U You're saying that it took Minato years to master perfect SM and he has no experience with it when his dumb son did it in few days?

Naruto goes in SM because his base mode is shit. Minato's base mode is Tobirama i.e. very high Hokage level. SM puts him on above that.

Minato not using SM against Obito? Well he didn't need to. And Minato is someone who doesn't do anything without a reason. Except FRS Minato pack all U_U

 

[KCMNaruto]

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Minato was way talented than Naruto U_U You're saying that it took Minato years to master perfect SM and he has no experience with it when his dumb son did it in few days?

Naruto goes in SM because his base mode is shit. Minato's base mode is Tobirama i.e. very high Hokage level. SM puts him on above that.

Minato not using SM against Obito? Well he didn't need to. And Minato is someone who doesn't do anything without a reason. Except FRS Minato pack all U_U

@bold part - True
@underlined part - Yes I think that. However what I mean was not that it took Minato so long but rather that he was very busy with shinobi stuff like mission, training etc. so let's say that he could only spent one hour or two hours at each of day in Myobokuzan then it would took a lot of days for Minato to finish that training. If they were full days for Minato to train then I could agree and admit that you are right.
@ italic part - true, but I think you underrated Naruto a bit. He has grown up and improved his base mode a lot as well in the result. However in essence you are still right.
@ red colored font - true
@ blue colored font - wrong, unless you can post me scan where Minato can uses Frog Katas... or has any expierience with Sage mode as Naruto has

 

[Itachi Edo]

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It's because some people are idiots. This is what happens when parents fail to make their children study what's being taught in class. Things like foreshadowing is too complicated for them to understand. It's a wonder why Kishi uses so many damn flashbacks.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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That makes no sense. Naruto only did that because he couldn't fuse.
Did minato have a kyuubi stopping him from fusing with pa for a permanent sm? No.

Try again. Your logic makes 0 sense.

 

[Six Paths]

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Yeah this is the most possible theory