Rave Master Vs. Fairly Tail

[System001]

Ultimate question for anyone who has read both of Hiro's manga, which is better? Rave master or Fairy tail, for me FT is good, very good, but it has absolutely nothing on Rave Master. Rave Master completely trumps FT, the only metaphor I can use is that one is a picture book drawn and written by a five year old while another is a novel written by a adept writer who is fairly prestigious and has won several awards. I've read Rave Master 3 times, while I'm not even compelled to read any FT chapter more than once. (Btw don't even bother talking about Rave masters anime, it got cut off like 1/8th of the way through the story line and was kinda pathetic for the most part). For anyone who is a fan of FT, you should definitely read, not watch, read Rave master. The only bad thing I can say about Rave Master, is that Hiro could have done wonders more with the plot, he could have expanded so much on the underworld power struggle arc, personally I really wish Hiro got Rave master to be re-animated properly, maybe even re-wrote it and added more parts to it.
So what is your opinion? What do you think is better, FT or Rave Master? If you haven't read both then its kinda pointless in posting as your opinion will obviously be biased.
This is in the FT section because A, its relevant to FT, and B I knew it'd get more views in here.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

rave master is full of BS after the king son appear, that's why the anime got axed

 

[Roofy128]

i started to watch FT but never seen Rave Master whats it about and why no more anime

 

[Nerei]

rave master is full of BS after the king son appear, that's why the anime got axed

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I kinda agree. I don't think it was complete BS though, i actually liked the story from there but it was kinda surprising for me to see that there was another Badguy after King. But still I like Rave a little bit more than Fairy Tail. Seighart is my fave especially towards the end <3 <3 <3

 

[killa sage]

where do yall watch rave master

 

[System001]

rave master is full of BS after the king son appear, that's why the anime got axed

Nah, completely disagree with that, it was a good plot twist that in the end made perfect sense, yeah it could have been gone about differently, but it isn't BS in comparison to things in Bleach FT and Naruto, I mean if you think that is BS, then you must think Bleach is 100% garbage that was flushed down the toilet because it is so effin crap reason being is because its BS.

i started to watch FT but never seen Rave Master whats it about and why no more anime

Its about some guy who has to save the world to put it simply, which is basically me not telling you anything. =3. Read it for yourself.

where do yall watch rave master

Don't watch it, read it, just google rave master chapters.

 

[Nerei]

Nah, completely disagree with that, it was a good plot twist that in the end made perfect sense, yeah it could have been gone about differently, but it isn't BS in comparison to things in Bleach FT and Naruto, I mean if you think that is BS, then you must think Bleach is 100% garbage that was flushed down the toilet because it is so effin crap reason being is because its BS.

True, the appearance of the son, makes more sense than half the stuff in Bleach

One question that bugs me though is

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Who did Haru decide was the 3rd rave master?

 

[System001]

True, the appearance of the son, makes more sense than half the stuff in Bleach

One question that bugs me though is

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Who did Haru decide was the 3rd rave master?

Apparently Hiro said at some convention that it was supposed to be ellie, but I think that is complete lies. I guess we'll never find out D:. I recon it'd be a new character, or appearance wise a unsubstantial character that we passed by at some point in time but didn't really take notice of.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Nah, completely disagree with that, it was a good plot twist that in the end made perfect sense, yeah it could have been gone about differently, but it isn't BS in comparison to things in Bleach FT and Naruto, I mean if you think that is BS, then you must think Bleach is 100% garbage that was flushed down the toilet because it is so effin crap reason being is because its BS..

its a good plot twist but its far to simple, i can almost predict everything that happen before it actually happen in that series *yawn*, i mean hey so haru dad is a friend of the king and now after the king died his son come out(i kinda see this coming) ? and suddenly the son got all that OP power ? spare me the BS,

talking about bleach are we ? note that bleach is not anime based on story to begin with, it was anime battle genre, so its about cool fight and power up with some interesting plot inside the series just like Dragon Ball, there is no actual story, the protagonist don't have any goal, he just want to protect everyone and defeat the bad guy,

so you can't compare it to anime that based on story like rave master, which is poorly executed after the king son appearU_U

 

[AikoLtu]

I don't like this type anime, but i think Fairy Tail is better, because it's more popular than Rave Master.

 

[Nerei]

Apparently Hiro said at some convention that it was supposed to be ellie, but I think that is complete lies. I guess we'll never find out D:. I recon it'd be a new character, or appearance wise a unsubstantial character that we passed by at some point in time but didn't really take notice of.

Ellie wouldn't make much sense considering who she is and stuff. I wonder if Hiro even had a name in his head at that point.

When that happened I was like what, I will hate this new guy, but it didn't happen so....lolz xd

 

[Ebi..]

FT got nothing on Rave Master, Rave Master is a thousand times better than what FT could ever be, the only reason why FT is popular is because the anime adaptation was better and aimed towards teenagers, while Rave master was aimed for the whole audience, taking out all the ecchi,blood,explosions,etc...

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

FT got nothing on Rave Master, Rave Master is a thousand times better than what FT could ever be, the only reason why FT is popular is because the anime adaptation was better and aimed towards teenagers, while Rave master was aimed for the whole audience, taking out all the ecchi,blood,explosions,etc...

what exactly are you talking about ? both series is serialized on WSM so it was meant to get the same audience, both have shounen and adventure genre,
so i don't know where you get that BS..........

and about animation, well of course FT animation is better because it was created in 2008/2009 and rave master in 2001 so yeah the animation is not really great compared to animation nowadays but then again all anime is like that in early 2001 and its considered the best animation at that time,

if it was so great then the anime will never got axed, and FT anime still ongoing till now they even make a movie for it.

 

[System001]

its a good plot twist but its far to simple, i can almost predict everything that happen before it actually happen in that series *yawn*, i mean hey so haru dad is a friend of the king and now after the king died his son come out(i kinda see this coming) ? and suddenly the son got all that OP power ? spare me the BS,

talking about bleach are we ? note that bleach is not anime based on story to begin with, it was anime battle genre, so its about cool fight and power up with some interesting plot inside the series just like Dragon Ball, there is no actual story, the protagonist don't have any goal, he just want to protect everyone and defeat the bad guy,

so you can't compare it to anime that based on story like rave master, which is poorly executed after the king son appearU_U

Hmm, lets see, Haru got murked by Doryu the first time, he was literally getting owned and was helpless, so TBH, I don't think Haru got a "Random power up" at all. The only reason he managed to be Doryu is because he was prepared to die since he knew there was a 3rd, and because he managed to pull out million sons and most importantly of all, Doryu let his feelings get the better of him. While we're at it, Natsu owning Hades makes no sense after Makarov couldn't even scratch the dude, if Laxus did it fair enough, but he gave Natsu his lightning and Natsu became the Lightning flame dragon? Really? Hax much? Lol, the power gauge in FT is screwed to the max, I don't think you can even mention random powerups on this one xd

FT got nothing on Rave Master, Rave Master is a thousand times better than what FT could ever be, the only reason why FT is popular is because the anime adaptation was better and aimed towards teenagers, while Rave master was aimed for the whole audience, taking out all the ecchi,blood,explosions,etc...

Thank you, Rave-master> FT

Ellie wouldn't make much sense considering who she is and stuff. I wonder if Hiro even had a name in his head at that point.

When that happened I was like what, I will hate this new guy, but it didn't happen so....lolz xd

Lol that is why I'm saying he's trolling us.
I recon that A, he planned to end the series there and do a follow up series which would make No sense at all, or B he needed excuses for Haru to be doryu, Haru putting his life on the line to do that is the perfect excuse due to his nature.

what exactly are you talking about ? both series is serialized on WSM so it was meant to get the same audience, both have shounen and adventure genre,
so i don't know where you get that BS..........

and about animation, well of course FT animation is better because it was created in 2008/2009 and rave master in 2001 so yeah the animation is not really great compared to animation nowadays but then again all anime is like that in early 2001 and its considered the best animation at that time,

if it was so great then the anime will never got axed, and FT anime still ongoing till now they even make a movie for it.

Nah, lets face it, if they re-did Rave Masters anime, and promoted it through FT, FT would go down the drain while Rave masters popularity shot up.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Hmm, lets see, Haru got murked by Doryu the first time, he was literally getting owned and was helpless, so TBH, I don't think Haru got a "Random power up" at all. The only reason he managed to be Doryu is because he was prepared to die since he knew there was a 3rd, and because he managed to pull out million sons and most importantly of all, Doryu let his feelings get the better of him. While we're at it, Natsu owning Hades makes no sense after Makarov couldn't even scratch the dude, if Laxus did it fair enough, but he gave Natsu his lightning and Natsu became the Lightning flame dragon? Really? Hax much? Lol, the power gauge in FT is screwed to the max, I don't think you can even mention random powerups on this one xd

idk why you mention random power up, while i comment on poor plot that was used by rave master, heck i don't even mention random power up, am talking about the whole event that happen after the king gone, its just utter BS the result is the anime got axed, long before the manga end........

note that natsu ain't owning hades, none of them can own hades not after his heart is destroyed, so that's pretty much sum it up why natsu>hades, the random power up don't play the card in that fightU_U

Nah, lets face it, if they re-did Rave Masters anime, and promoted it through FT, FT would go down the drain while Rave masters popularity shot up.

face what ? they ain't gonna re-did fail anime its just waste of budget, the reason why rave master got axed not because the poor animation(all animation is like that in the early 2000) its because the manga goes downhill and it losing popularity among the fans so its not worth it thus they decided to stop the anime.................

 

[System001]

idk why you mention random power up, while i comment on poor plot that was used by rave master, heck i don't even mention random power up, am talking about the whole event that happen after the king gone, its just utter BS the result is the anime got axed, long before the manga end........

note that natsu ain't owning hades, none of them can own hades not after his heart is destroyed, so that's pretty much sum it up why natsu>hades, the random power up don't play the card in that fightU_U



face what ? they ain't gonna re-did fail anime its just waste of budget, the reason why rave master got axed not because the poor animation(all animation is like that in the early 2000) its because the manga goes downhill and it losing popularity among the fans so its not worth it thus they decided to stop the anime.................

I honestly don't think that the manga went down after King's death I think your focusing too much on publicity and news rather than the actual manga's, honestly compare them in your head, and try and honestly say to me that FT is better than RM. If anything the plot got better after King's death, the underworld struggle, Ellie's memory being revealed, heck the guy even pulled off time travel without it being cheesy and un-original but rather interesting and writter amazingly.

You can't honestly say RM's plot is bad, A blood feud between two bloodlines thats been going on for generations, a girl who has the power to end the evil and the blood-feud, and is killed so she can be present in the future where the blood feud finally ends. Bearing in mind all of this is revealed in the last 90 or so chapters, how can you honestly say FT touches that? (Thats not even the iceburg of it, I just don't wanna spoil it for anyone who plans on reading)


FT's storyline- I'm a mage, we don't do much, we just wait for the new bad guys to come and then we defeat them, and if their really strong, we use power-up no magic to defeat them. We don't have a goal or anything, well we do but a goal comes along 1/5 of the way through each arc, yeah I have the goal of finding Igneel, but all I really do is stay in one place and party rather than travel the world searching.

Lets face it, there is a reason why all of FT's main chars are molded after RM characters.

 

[Caliburn]

Ultimate question for anyone who has read both of Hiro's manga, which is better? Rave master or Fairy tail, for me FT is good, very good, but it has absolutely nothing on Rave Master. Rave Master completely trumps FT, the only metaphor I can use is that one is a picture book drawn and written by a five year old while another is a novel written by a adept writer who is fairly prestigious and has won several awards. I've read Rave Master 3 times, while I'm not even compelled to read any FT chapter more than once. (Btw don't even bother talking about Rave masters anime, it got cut off like 1/8th of the way through the story line and was kinda pathetic for the most part). For anyone who is a fan of FT, you should definitely read, not watch, read Rave master. The only bad thing I can say about Rave Master, is that Hiro could have done wonders more with the plot, he could have expanded so much on the underworld power struggle arc, personally I really wish Hiro got Rave master to be re-animated properly, maybe even re-wrote it and added more parts to it.
So what is your opinion? What do you think is better, FT or Rave Master? If you haven't read both then its kinda pointless in posting as your opinion will obviously be biased.
This is in the FT section because A, its relevant to FT, and B I knew it'd get more views in here.

My opinion is the complete opposite. I find FT a lot better than RM. I've read FT countless of times, in fact if I would make a statistic of the amount of times I read chapters of a series, without any doubt FT would be number one, even before Naruto or OP. I read RM once, never had the urge to read it again after that, unlike FT where I keep reading chapters over and over again (and some chapters I really read a lot).

Whichever of the two series you prefer, that's a complete subjective opinion, however there are still limits to how much you can blow things out of proportion. Your metaphor is plain BS, you can't even take such a statement seriously as whether you prefer RM or FT, it's a fact that those two are extremely similar to the point I find that Hiro made them a bit too similar. So saying that FT is a picture book from a 5 year old while RM is a prestigious book is a metaphor that belongs in the trash, especially considering that there's one point you can't deny and that's that the artwork of FT is just way better than that of RM (and I'm not talking about the fanservice or anime), which is logical considering FT is younger and his skill improved. The artwork from the first FT chapters resembles the artwork from RM way more than the style in the current chapters. That is unless of course you like that retro-style artwork more.

That you like RM more than FT, that's your opinion, however don't make metaphors that don't make any sense at all and that belong in the trash. It's very hard to take your opinion then seriously.

Personally I find FT better than RM because, outside the better artwork, the end of RM sucked balls. I really really hated how Hiro ended it, he just pulled a Deus Ex Machina. I really hope he doesn't do that with FT. But above all what annoyed me the most in RM was just simply it lacked any kind of basic structure, it was just random and I really had the feeling that Hiro wrote things when he was writing it and as a result it took away the excitement of a lot of things. Especially towards the end he was blowing things up. That's how Hiro writes, FT has that problem too. Both FT and RM really lack 'depth' in their stories, especially compared to OP or Naruto (and this is why Love Cook these days gives those negative comments all the time, IMO unjustified as Hiro has always been like that). But that's also the reason as why FT is so popular, it breaks with 'normal' things. For instance out of the blue a 7-year timeskip where they actually got 'weaker'.

The difference between FT and RM is just that FT has a way more solid basis, namely the structure of that they have a guild where they always go back to, not just as a place, but really a solid structure in the story itself. RM lacked that, especially towards the end it started to get more and more random, like Hiro just made it up when he was writing the next chapter. Whether you like that kind of writing style is something personal, but that doesn't take away that no matter which one you like, both of them are very similar. I prefer FT, you prefer RM, but your metaphor is BS as then, seen the popularity FT has these days, RM should belong in the same list as Naruto and OP. I always have considered that Hiro learned from RM to avoid certain flaws in FT which RM had.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I honestly don't think that the manga went down after King's death I think your focusing too much on publicity and news rather than the actual manga's, honestly compare them in your head, and try and honestly say to me that FT is better than RM. If anything the plot got better after King's death, the underworld struggle, Ellie's memory being revealed, heck the guy even pulled off time travel without it being cheesy and un-original but rather interesting and writter amazingly.

publicity and news coming from the fans opinion who actually read the manga back then, so how come its wrong to take note from there ?

no matter what you say its just your opinion about RM being superior, while fact says otherwise, you even compare finished manga with on going manga,
this is where you screw up, note that FT still has a lot things to show and anything is possible at this moment all in one FT have more potential that RM

You can't honestly say RM's plot is bad, A blood feud between two bloodlines thats been going on for generations, a girl who has the power to end the evil and the blood-feud, and is killed so she can be present in the future where the blood feud finally ends. Bearing in mind all of this is revealed in the last 90 or so chapters, how can you honestly say FT touches that? (Thats not even the iceburg of it, I just don't wanna spoil it for anyone who plans on reading)

why i can't ? LOL the plot is utter BS after that, its ****ing emo with elli past and who she truly is, and if its truly "AMAZING" like you said it was then tell me why the anime got axed and never comeback ?

FT's storyline- I'm a mage, we don't do much, we just wait for the new bad guys to come and then we defeat them, and if their really strong, we use power-up no magic to defeat them. We don't have a goal or anything, well we do but a goal comes along 1/5 of the way through each arc, yeah I have the goal of finding Igneel, but all I really do is stay in one place and party rather than travel the world searching.

Lets face it, there is a reason why all of FT's main chars are molded after RM characters.

natsu goal from the get go is to find out what happen to igneel and the other dragons, its still stay like that after 200+++ chapter with some major side arc that involve another guild, note that the dragon is nowhere near the earthland, and before the story start there is a indication that natsu already look all over for the possible place to find igneel but the result is nil..........

face what again ? the reason why FT and RM character look similar its simply because it was done by the same mangaka :sy:

 

[System001]

My opinion is the complete opposite. I find FT a lot better than RM. I've read FT countless of times, in fact if I would make a statistic of the amount of times I read chapters of a series, without any doubt FT would be number one, even before Naruto or OP. I read RM once, never had the urge to read it again after that, unlike FT where I keep reading chapters over and over again (and some chapters I really read a lot).

Whichever of the two series you prefer, that's a complete subjective opinion, however there are still limits to how much you can blow things out of proportion. Your metaphor is plain BS, you can't even take such a statement seriously as whether you prefer RM or FT, it's a fact that those two are extremely similar to the point I find that Hiro made them a bit too similar. So saying that FT is a picture book from a 5 year old while RM is a prestigious book is a metaphor that belongs in the trash, especially considering that there's one point you can't deny and that's that the artwork of FT is just way better than that of RM (and I'm not talking about the fanservice or anime), which is logical considering FT is younger and his skill improved. The artwork from the first FT chapters resembles the artwork from RM way more than the style in the current chapters. That is unless of course you like that retro-style artwork more.

That you like RM more than FT, that's your opinion, however don't make metaphors that don't make any sense at all and that belong in the trash. It's very hard to take your opinion then seriously.

Personally I find FT better than RM because, outside the better artwork, the end of RM sucked balls. I really really hated how Hiro ended it, he just pulled a Deus Ex Machina. I really hope he doesn't do that with FT. But above all what annoyed me the most in RM was just simply it lacked any kind of basic structure, it was just random and I really had the feeling that Hiro wrote things when he was writing it and as a result it took away the excitement of a lot of things. Especially towards the end he was blowing things up. That's how Hiro writes, FT has that problem too. Both FT and RM really lack 'depth' in their stories, especially compared to OP or Naruto (and this is why Love Cook these days gives those negative comments all the time, IMO unjustified as Hiro has always been like that). But that's also the reason as why FT is so popular, it breaks with 'normal' things. For instance out of the blue a 7-year timeskip where they actually got 'weaker'.

The difference between FT and RM is just that FT has a way more solid basis, namely the structure of that they have a guild where they always go back to, not just as a place, but really a solid structure in the story itself. RM lacked that, especially towards the end it started to get more and more random, like Hiro just made it up when he was writing the next chapter. Whether you like that kind of writing style is something personal, but that doesn't take away that no matter which one you like, both of them are very similar. I prefer FT, you prefer RM, but your metaphor is BS as then, seen the popularity FT has these days, RM should belong in the same list as Naruto and OP. I always have considered that Hiro learned from RM to avoid certain flaws in FT which RM had.

I understand your point of view and I get and respect where you are coming from, but the reason why you prefer FT over RM, is also the same reason why I prefer RM over FT, yeah Rm got very jumping towards the end but it gave me the feeling that they were actually going on a journey, whereas I don't get that same feeling from FT.

publicity and news coming from the fans opinion who actually read the manga back then, so how come its wrong to take note from there ?

no matter what you say its just your opinion about RM being superior, while fact says otherwise, you even compare finished manga with on going manga,
this is where you screw up, note that FT still has a lot things to show and anything is possible at this moment all in one FT have more potential that RM



why i can't ? LOL the plot is utter BS after that, its ****ing emo with elli past and who she truly is, and if its truly "AMAZING" like you said it was then tell me why the anime got axed and never comeback ?




natsu goal from the get go is to find out what happen to igneel and the other dragons, its still stay like that after 200+++ chapter with some major side arc that involve another guild, note that the dragon is nowhere near the earthland, and before the story start there is a indication that natsu already look all over for the possible place to find igneel but the result is nil..........

face what again ? the reason why FT and RM character look similar its simply because it was done by the same mangaka :sy:

Your still basing your opinion solely on fan-service, I honestly don't care much about the huge polls as most peoples opinions are lost within them, If I wanted to know about fan service I would have put a poll up on this thread, I actually want to know YOUR opinion, and not the compiled opinions of millions of people. You say the manga got worse after king and that was why it was axed, but there are dozens of great manga's whose animes have been axed, so I really don't think that's something to judge from.You say that after King it got a lot more random and BS, but there are also a lot of random things in FT, I seriously don't get where you are coming from other than polls and compiled opinions of anime critics.

I don't think you can judge on the Indication I really don't think Natsu did search everywhere, I mean he was in a city not so far away from FT's guild in the begging of the series right? He heard of some guy named Salamander and thought it was Igneel? If he's been searching so far and wide, how hasn't he met this crook before?

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Your still basing your opinion solely on fan-service, I honestly don't care much about the huge polls as most peoples opinions are lost within them, If I wanted to know about fan service I would have put a poll up on this thread, I actually want to know YOUR opinion, and not the compiled opinions of millions of people. You say the manga got worse after king and that was why it was axed, but there are dozens of great manga's whose animes have been axed, so I really don't think that's something to judge from.You say that after King it got a lot more random and BS, but there are also a lot of random things in FT, I seriously don't get where you are coming from other than polls and compiled opinions of anime critics.

oh my how did you know that my opinion is based on FT fan service ?
my opinion is based from experience of watching hundreds of anime since 90's
and with all that i find RM is utter BS after the king died,(note that i read RM first before FT)

the series start pretty good and haru meet various people from his journey typical shounen theme nothing special and they introduce the
bad guy well its some BIG evil organization(can't remember the name since i never read this manga again for years)

and then after countless fight and some great plot finally haru defeat the king and then shit happen when the oracion what ever you called it attack then after that the son escaped from jail ??? and suddenly he have that OP power that even the king don't have how lame is that ?(thought i know you think its not lame but for me and the majority fans think it was utter BS)

true there are dozen of anime that got axed but most of the anime that i see got axed never indicated that the manga losing it popularity like what happen with RM, it simply because RM is losing it commercial value in manga then they decided there is no point to continue it.

and i will say it again, FT is still ongoing that's why even with randomness that happen in the manga, there is still possibility for the show to rival WSJ aced manga like naruto for example,

so we can't conclude that FT is BS not after the manga ended, while RM is ended and we can say anything and i say its BS and you say its not but i have solid reason for that with majority fans think alike like me.... even the anime studio agreeing with me that's why the anime ended

I don't think you can judge on the Indication I really don't think Natsu did search everywhere, I mean he was in a city not so far away from FT's guild in the begging of the series right? He heard of some guy named Salamander and thought it was Igneel? If he's been searching so far and wide, how hasn't he met this crook before?

note that natsu travel from unknown forest through magnolia city, do you think the town is just across the forest ?
that was introduction chapter to show what the main character goal.......
and above all that, hiro is showing us a hint about for the dragon with some side arc that happen in the manga.U_U